bills
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Post by bills on Apr 23, 2024 9:04:40 GMT -5
It’s so sad that this is what cbb has become. Shopping to the highest bidder. I love this sport have for 30 yrs. I guess it just caught up with the rest of the world. No more 4 year player, no more playing for “your” school and no more good old days. Like everything else the creed and $$$ has destroyed something amazing. Something so many people grew up loving. I as guilty as anyone. Throw the bag at this kid. Get him here. Looking in the mirror it’s just sad. I remember as a kid when zo commit. Knowing I had four years of excitement and being a big east power. Now who knows what a “commitment” means I fully agree with you. I think the interesting long term question is what effect this will have on attendance by students and alumni. Maybe very little for the highly ranked teams or maybe just for their games against top opponents for basketball junkies. But for all the 300+ D1 schools? And for OOC games against little known opponents? How much will Fox, ESPN, and CBS want to pay to broadcast games being played in empty areas? At least in minor league baseball players are under contract and good ones will be playing for a few years before moving up. That creates some fan loyalty. But how many minor league game are broadcast and for how much? And what is the typical attendance? College basketball will quickly have less fan appeal and loyalty than minor league baseball, even if the jerseys have a school name on them. i wonder if some leagues will decide to adopt the Ivy model and ban NIL. Just offer scholarships for students who want to play basketball against other schools who have student athletes. And do it without the money from TV as we did for many years before the Big East conference was formed. When college football and basketball players are being paid to play and no longer amateurs, what need is there for the NCAA? The Power ? Football conferences are very likely, in my opinion, to walk away from the NCAA and keep more money for themselves and get rid of the annoyance that the NCAA imposes on them. If the NCAA just does not fold under numerous legal suits. =
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 23, 2024 9:09:49 GMT -5
Selling himself to the highest bidder, yee hah. Can't blame him, that's the system we're stuck with these days. On the Williams signing, I was still holding out hope that we could find a strong shooting guard and make Epps the sixth man. That doesn't seem to be in the cards, so put that in the category of you can't have everything. If he's strong defensively then there should be a spot for him, as that's an everpresent need. You think we are going to sign someone above Epps and he is going to stick around? That is.............unrealistic. Addition by addition and addition by subtraction.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 23, 2024 9:13:57 GMT -5
Are rumors saying he's asking for 1 million? That's way over priced if true I thought the rumors were $1.5mm. Which as mentioned seems extremely high for a guy who, while an excellent defensive player, has very very little offensive game to speak of. The pessimistic case would be that Georgetown, which is broadly considered at the moment to be a wealthy program that is still a messy situation basketball-wise, was really just being "used" in this recruitment to drive up the price. The optimistic case would be that if the asking price actually is north of $1mm, it's possible that none of the teams on his list will be willing or able to meet that. Supposedly Bama does not have that kind of NIL money available for a basketball player. Not sure about KSU or others on his list. But it's possible that we made him a strong offer, it was a little less than what he was asking for so he did not commit right away and is going to keep exploring, but we may still come in as the high bidder. This would be my hope, but I am happy that the staff is continuing to pursue other options so we don't get left without a high quality big when the music stops (as happened last year).
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 23, 2024 9:16:21 GMT -5
Selling himself to the highest bidder, yee hah. Can't blame him, that's the system we're stuck with these days. On the Williams signing, I was still holding out hope that we could find a strong shooting guard and make Epps the sixth man. That doesn't seem to be in the cards, so put that in the category of you can't have everything. If he's strong defensively then there should be a spot for him, as that's an everpresent need. You think we are going to sign someone above Epps and he is going to stick around? That is.............unrealistic. Beyond overspending for cliff…it messes up the rest of our pay scale. Suddenly …half the kids on our team would want a bump if you were were to drastically overspend for one kid.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 23, 2024 9:23:44 GMT -5
Are rumors saying he's asking for 1 million? That's way over priced if true I thought the rumors were $1.5mm. Which as mentioned seems extremely high for a guy who, while an excellent defensive player, has very very little offensive game to speak of. The pessimistic case would be that Georgetown, which is broadly considered at the moment to be a wealthy program that is still a messy situation basketball-wise, was really just being "used" in this recruitment to drive up the price. The optimistic case would be that if the asking price actually is north of $1mm, it's possible that none of the teams on his list will be willing or able to meet that. Supposedly Bama does not have that kind of NIL money available for a basketball player. Not sure about KSU or others on his list. But it's possible that we made him a strong offer, it was a little less than what he was asking for so he did not commit right away and is going to keep exploring, but we may still come in as the high bidder. This would be my hope, but I am happy that the staff is continuing to pursue other options so we don't get left without a high quality big when the music stops (as happened last year). What’s the going rate for those players who declared for the draft, but maintained eligibility and entered the portal? How about for the unproven #1 ranked player in the 2024 class? What a mess! If nothing changes very soon, the top schools will need $10M to compete, and there will be a huge $ gap between a roster’s top 1-7 players vs the 8-13 players. Would there be a conflict of interest for Uncle Ted and Monumental to do a FedEx/Memphis-type deal? 😉 How much is having a foot in with our future top players worth for a NBA owner?
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wolveribe
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 23, 2024 9:42:41 GMT -5
Selling himself to the highest bidder, yee hah. Can't blame him, that's the system we're stuck with these days. On the Williams signing, I was still holding out hope that we could find a strong shooting guard and make Epps the sixth man. That doesn't seem to be in the cards, so put that in the category of you can't have everything. If he's strong defensively then there should be a spot for him, as that's an everpresent need. You think we are going to sign someone above Epps and he is going to stick around? That is.............unrealistic. The odds of even finding a better guard than Epps are extremely low. Who would we even have the money to get who would play over him?
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wolveribe
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 23, 2024 9:43:52 GMT -5
If you can close Awaka, rather than wait on Cliff you do it. Awaka is a low post bully an dmeance and will score alot more than Cliff will. Awaka main problem is staying on the floor. He fouls alot but if you go watch their game against Purdue, he by far was the best against Edey so don't look at his 6-8 size and worry about him at Center. He is far more athletic than Supreme. He is versatile enough to play the 4 also. I think he pairs perfectly with Drew and Thomas. I hope we close this. Im not sure he scores a lot more than Cliff. People act like Cliff isnt a double digit scorer. Cliff would be my first choice but Awaka is not a bad second choice.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 23, 2024 9:51:01 GMT -5
Boya, since you’re giving us the high school recruiting info, what about creating a list with the best eligible C candidates (incl. the ones in the draft who maintained eligibility) in the portal still available?
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Post by 401to202hoya on Apr 23, 2024 9:51:05 GMT -5
Does Awaka provide the rim protection that we need?
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 23, 2024 9:55:52 GMT -5
Boya, since you’re giving us the high school recruiting info, what about creating a list with the best eligible C candidates (incl. the ones in the draft who maintained eligibility) in the portal still available? There are not many out there at the level that we need. Having said that, the way college sports work today, we can just "convince" someone to jump in the portal.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 23, 2024 9:58:11 GMT -5
Does Awaka provide the rim protection that we need? Is Awaka even an upgrade to Cook? If so, what is the evidence?
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wolveribe
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 23, 2024 10:03:20 GMT -5
Does Awaka provide the rim protection that we need? Is Awaka even an upgrade to Cook? If so, what is the evidence? Awaka- 2.37 OBPR, 2.87 DBPR. 21.3 PER, 18.9 TRB%, 5.65 BlK%, .212 WS/40 Cook- 1.34 OBPR, -1.44 DBPR, 20.5 PER, 17.5 TRB%, 1.1 Blk%, .113 WS/40 Awaka is a better offensive player but a significantly better defender, who is a better rebounder. Awaka does everything better than Cook.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 23, 2024 10:05:02 GMT -5
Is Awaka even an upgrade to Cook? If so, what is the evidence? Awaka- 2.37 OBPR, 2.87 DBPR. 21.3 PER, 18.9 TRB%, 5.65 BlK%, .212 WS/40 Cook- 1.34 OBPR, -1.44 DBPR, 20.5 PER, 17.5 TRB%, 1.1 Blk%, .113 WS/40 Awaka is a better offensive player but a significantly better defender, who is a better rebounder. Awaka does everything better than Cook. How much more than Cook would you be willing to pay him? $500K? $300K? Also, using those advanced metrics are great and everything, but Awaka was mostly playing against backups while Cook was a starter.
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wolveribe
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 23, 2024 10:09:18 GMT -5
Awaka- 2.37 OBPR, 2.87 DBPR. 21.3 PER, 18.9 TRB%, 5.65 BlK%, .212 WS/40 Cook- 1.34 OBPR, -1.44 DBPR, 20.5 PER, 17.5 TRB%, 1.1 Blk%, .113 WS/40 Awaka is a better offensive player but a significantly better defender, who is a better rebounder. Awaka does everything better than Cook. How much more than Cook would you be willing to pay him? $500K? $300K? Also, using those advanced metrics are great and everything, but Awaka was mostly playing against backups while Cook was a starter. First sentence, I have no idea. I don't know the available funds or what the players are paid, just unconfirmed rumors. The second sentence is not only silly but also not true. Thats with ignoring the fact that teams don't play starters and backups as set groups anyway (A la...here come the backups!)
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 23, 2024 10:12:36 GMT -5
The other thing that Awaka can do that Cook and Cliff cant is step outside of the paint.
Awaka shot 65% at the rim, but also shot 46% on 2 point jumpers. He made his free throws (74%) So he gives you good defense with the ability to step out and hit a few jumpers and make free throws.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 23, 2024 10:34:45 GMT -5
The other thing that Awaka can do that Cook and Cliff cant is step outside of the paint. Awaka shot 65% at the rim, but also shot 46% on 2 point jumpers. He made his free throws (74%) So he gives you good defense with the ability to step out and hit a few jumpers and make free throws. Awaka has started exactly 0 games in 2 seasons. He's averaged 11.7 minutes/game, 4.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg and 0.5 blocks/game. I think he's a nice rebounder, bulky guy who gives you size similar to bigs Cooley used at Providence. He's OK, but arguing that he's anywhere near Cliff O. in terms of impact is nonsense.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 23, 2024 10:37:10 GMT -5
The other thing that Awaka can do that Cook and Cliff cant is step outside of the paint. Awaka shot 65% at the rim, but also shot 46% on 2 point jumpers. He made his free throws (74%) So he gives you good defense with the ability to step out and hit a few jumpers and make free throws. Awaka has started exactly 0 games in 2 seasons. He's averaged 11.7 minutes/game, 4.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg and 0.5 blocks/game. I think he's a nice rebounder, bulky guy who gives you size similar to bigs Cooley used at Providence. He's OK, but arguing that he's anywhere near Cliff O. in terms of impact is nonsense. While I would rather have Omoruyi if that was the choice we had, I think Awaka would be a big improvement on the defensive end over Cook IF he can avoid fouling. That's really been a huge problem for him both freshman and sophomore year and is an inherent limit to his minutes. If we aren't in the running for Omoyuri, I think Awaka would be a nice pickup.
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 23, 2024 10:44:26 GMT -5
The other thing that Awaka can do that Cook and Cliff cant is step outside of the paint. Awaka shot 65% at the rim, but also shot 46% on 2 point jumpers. He made his free throws (74%) So he gives you good defense with the ability to step out and hit a few jumpers and make free throws. Awaka has started exactly 0 games in 2 seasons. He's averaged 11.7 minutes/game, 4.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg and 0.5 blocks/game. I think he's a nice rebounder, bulky guy who gives you size similar to bigs Cooley used at Providence. He's OK, but arguing that he's anywhere near Cliff O. in terms of impact is nonsense. Who said Awaka would make the impact that Cliff would? Can you point out where that was said? I believe I said earlier that I prefer Cliff, but Awaka is a good second choice. Having said that, Awaka has competed with Aidoo for playing time...someone that is a heck of alot better than what Cliff competed for playing time with.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 23, 2024 10:47:57 GMT -5
Awaka has started exactly 0 games in 2 seasons. He's averaged 11.7 minutes/game, 4.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg and 0.5 blocks/game. I think he's a nice rebounder, bulky guy who gives you size similar to bigs Cooley used at Providence. He's OK, but arguing that he's anywhere near Cliff O. in terms of impact is nonsense. While I would rather have Omoruyi if that was the choice we had, I think Awaka would be a big improvement on the defensive end over Cook IF he can avoid fouling. That's really been a huge problem for him both freshman and sophomore year and is an inherent limit to his minutes. If we aren't in the running for Omoyuri, I think Awaka would be a nice pickup. The guy just did an official visit at Georgetown and 3 nights ago was partying at Kenny Johnson's condo watching a fight. Additionally, we probably have more NIL money to give him than any other team does. How is that not "in the running for Omoyuri"? Awaka doesn't move the needle for next year's Hoyas team. He's a slight upgrade to Cook but I'd rather those minutes go to Fielder and Sorber, if Awaka is our option - especially if Awaka costs anything from an NIL standpoint.
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 23, 2024 11:01:02 GMT -5
Is Awaka even an upgrade to Cook? If so, what is the evidence? Awaka- 2.37 OBPR, 2.87 DBPR. 21.3 PER, 18.9 TRB%, 5.65 BlK%, .212 WS/40 Cook- 1.34 OBPR, -1.44 DBPR, 20.5 PER, 17.5 TRB%, 1.1 Blk%, .113 WS/40 Awaka is a better offensive player but a significantly better defender, who is a better rebounder. Awaka does everything better than Cook. Thanks for this. I really haven't seen Awaka play, but from height alone he would appear similar to Cook. Whoever we get as a big needs to be a plus defender and ideally a shot blocker, which Omouryi certainly would be for us. Those metrics certainly show Awaka to be a plus defender, if not quite the shot blocker that Omoruyi is. The bigger question with Awaka is whether his stats would stay consistent with more playing time (or as others have pointed out, if he can reduce fouling to stay on the floor). Omoruyi is a proven commodity, which is undoubtedly why he has a high asking price. Awaka comes with some risk, but at least good to know that what he brings can fill that same kind of hole.
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