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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 7:49:56 GMT -5
He’s clearly not content with what he has. He’s tried extremely hard to get multiple bigs but he failed to land any of them. Yay, maybe we’ll get an NIL participation trophy! What proof is there that he “tried extremely hard”? We had Cliff O. on campus for a visit and nobody else of significance.
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Post by daymondmyles on Jun 5, 2024 8:09:30 GMT -5
Just because that’s the only visit YOU are aware of, doesn’t mean it was the only visit. Awaka and Stewart did visit. And Cooley and staff were clear with donors who they were targeting which was more than just those 3 and how hard they were going after these players. It was much more than Cliff.
But that doesn’t excuse what has been an epic failure. My point was only that we shouldn’t dismiss this as Ed thinking we are fine and passing on bigs. However, I don’t commend Cooley for the effort. At the end of the day, you’ve gotta land at least some big. This is completely on Cooley and he knows that. Maybe he gets lucky and Sorber and Fielder are enough. But if not, well it’s not good to say the least.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 5, 2024 8:30:38 GMT -5
Understandably players want PT, exposure and the opportunity to play post-season. Now you can add in $$. Hoyas can offer PT, and exposure playing in one of the top basketball conferences in the nation (even in a mostly empty arena at ridiculous starting times) and perhaps $$, depending upon what you believe. Until playing in the post-season is at least a realistic goal, it will be hard for Cooley to recruit the bigs he has targeted. My hope is that he can continue find kids who were quality recruits out of high school but not featured at their first stop and kids like Mack who excelled at the mid-major level. If he is able to develop the talent as in the past, we should not be out of the post-season for long. If he cannot then we are locked into this cycle of mediocrity and high turnover. Exactly. International players could help immediately.
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 5, 2024 8:52:09 GMT -5
Just because that’s the only visit YOU are aware of, doesn’t mean it was the only visit. Awaka and Stewart did visit. And Cooley and staff were clear with donors who they were targeting which was more than just those 3 and how hard they were going after these players. It was much more than Cliff. But that doesn’t excuse what has been an epic failure. My point was only that we shouldn’t dismiss this as Ed thinking we are fine and passing on bigs. However, I don’t commend Cooley for the effort. At the end of the day, you’ve gotta land at least some big. This is completely on Cooley and he knows that. Maybe he gets lucky and Sorber and Fielder are enough. But if not, well it’s not good to say the least. A big part of the job for every major college coach, and staff, is team building/roster management. With the wild west that is the new transfer and NIL rules, it adds a new dynamic to that part of the job, but in the end it comes down to results and getting players to fill the roles that the team needs to succeed. There is no guarantee that even if they had signed a new center, that the player they brought in would fill the role they needed successfully so it is always a little big of a gamble, but you need to find "someone" that they think can at least fill the role. I am not trying to minimize how difficult this can be, and I am confident they are putting the work in, but it is a results business!!!!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 5, 2024 9:09:38 GMT -5
He’s clearly not content with what he has. He’s tried extremely hard to get multiple bigs but he failed to land any of them. I fully agree. It is absurd, I think, to say that Cooley is content given that we have been recruiting a bunch of bigs who have chosen other programs (and frankly, other programs that are better situated than ours and that also have a ton of money too.). On top of that, there were at least two Cooley/alumni sessions reported on here in either April or earlier May, where Cooley told alumni we need a big. Why would he say that if he's content? There is a scenario where Sorber is better than expected, as is Fielder, plus we get good contributions from people like Drew McKenna, where the lack of another big turns out to be less of a big deal. BUT, that's a big IF. I think the assumptions that guys Cooley recruited are going to leave are misguided. Given NIL and free transfers, at some point Cooley will lose guys he recruited, as he lost Styles and Brumbaugh. But, we could still be a sub .500 Big East team this season, yet be in a far better position at this point next year, which would be a big boost to recruiting and retention. And maybe Cooley will pull a rabbit out of his hat on someone like Hawkins. If he does, then my opinion will be different, but otherwise the staff will have failed at achieving one of its off-season goals, no doubt.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 13:11:12 GMT -5
He’s clearly not content with what he has. He’s tried extremely hard to get multiple bigs but he failed to land any of them. I fully agree. It is absurd, I think, to say that Cooley is content given that we have been recruiting a bunch of bigs who have chosen other programs (and frankly, other programs that are better situated than ours and that also have a ton of money too.). On top of that, there were at least two Cooley/alumni sessions reported on here in either April or earlier May, where Cooley told alumni we need a big. Why would he say that if he's content? There is a scenario where Sorber is better than expected, as is Fielder, plus we get good contributions from people like Drew McKenna, where the lack of another big turns out to be less of a big deal. BUT, that's a big IF. I think the assumptions that guys Cooley recruited are going to leave are misguided. Given NIL and free transfers, at some point Cooley will lose guys he recruited, as he lost Styles and Brumbaugh. But, we could still be a sub .500 Big East team this season, yet be in a far better position at this point next year, which would be a big boost to recruiting and retention. And maybe Cooley will pull a rabbit out of his hat on someone like Hawkins. If he does, then my opinion will be different, but otherwise the staff will have failed at achieving one of its off-season goals, no doubt."Former Illinois forward Coleman Hawkins is scheduled to visit Louisville this weekend, his agent Nate Conley tells On3. The 6-foot-10 grad transfer is currently the top available forward in the portal, according to On3." www.on3.com/college/louisville-cardinals/news/illinois-transfer-forward-coleman-hawkins-sets-visit-to-louisville/If only Pat Kelsey could have been available when we hired Cooley.
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Post by wolveribe on Jun 5, 2024 13:32:11 GMT -5
Coleman Hawkins does not want to go to the Big East or Big Ten.
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 5, 2024 14:45:17 GMT -5
He’s clearly not content with what he has. He’s tried extremely hard to get multiple bigs but he failed to land any of them. Yay, maybe we’ll get an NIL participation trophy! What proof is there that he “tried extremely hard”? We had Cliff O. on campus for a visit and nobody else of significance. We had others…it just wasn’t publicized.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 14:53:27 GMT -5
Yay, maybe we’ll get an NIL participation trophy! What proof is there that he “tried extremely hard”? We had Cliff O. on campus for a visit and nobody else of significance. We had others…it just wasn’t publicized. So Cooley struck out even more than was publicized? How many high quality bigs did he actually bring onto campus?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 5, 2024 16:33:37 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 5, 2024 18:05:17 GMT -5
We had others…it just wasn’t publicized. So Cooley struck out even more than was publicized? How many high quality bigs did he actually bring onto campus? This is pure damned if you do and damned if you don't BS. He didn't try, booooo. He tried hard and failed, boooooo. This is tiresome and idiotic. Give it a rest. The consensus (with which I agree) seems to be that failure to sign a decent big is a clear negative for the staff. Isn't that good enough for you? This constant harping is absurd.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 6, 2024 7:09:06 GMT -5
Not to be negative but I agree with the original poster. Year two of the rebuild. Nothing panned out as far as a big. I think the staff is content developing and trying to keep the players they have Staff is clearly not content. Cooley has said as much at the recent alumni receptions. He wanted another 5. That hasn’t worked out yet. I would expect Cooley to continue hustling up until the season starts, but we may have to prepare for the possibility of Fielder and Sorber carrying more of the load than planned.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jun 6, 2024 7:51:39 GMT -5
Not to be negative but I agree with the original poster. Year two of the rebuild. Nothing panned out as far as a big. I think the staff is content developing and trying to keep the players they have Staff is clearly not content. Cooley has said as much at the recent alumni receptions. He wanted another 5. That hasn’t worked out yet. I would expect Cooley to continue hustling up until the season starts, but we may have to prepare for the possibility of Fielder and Sorber carrying more of the load than planned. Only options are late decommits, international, or a reclassified 2025 kid. Slim pickings
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 6, 2024 9:46:27 GMT -5
Staff is clearly not content. Cooley has said as much at the recent alumni receptions. He wanted another 5. That hasn’t worked out yet. I would expect Cooley to continue hustling up until the season starts, but we may have to prepare for the possibility of Fielder and Sorber carrying more of the load than planned. Only options are late decommits, international, or a reclassified 2025 kid. Slim pickings UConn kids. Samson would be a fit
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 6, 2024 9:48:38 GMT -5
I fully agree. It is absurd, I think, to say that Cooley is content given that we have been recruiting a bunch of bigs who have chosen other programs (and frankly, other programs that are better situated than ours and that also have a ton of money too.). On top of that, there were at least two Cooley/alumni sessions reported on here in either April or earlier May, where Cooley told alumni we need a big. Why would he say that if he's content? There is a scenario where Sorber is better than expected, as is Fielder, plus we get good contributions from people like Drew McKenna, where the lack of another big turns out to be less of a big deal. BUT, that's a big IF. I think the assumptions that guys Cooley recruited are going to leave are misguided. Given NIL and free transfers, at some point Cooley will lose guys he recruited, as he lost Styles and Brumbaugh. But, we could still be a sub .500 Big East team this season, yet be in a far better position at this point next year, which would be a big boost to recruiting and retention. And maybe Cooley will pull a rabbit out of his hat on someone like Hawkins. If he does, then my opinion will be different, but otherwise the staff will have failed at achieving one of its off-season goals, no doubt."Former Illinois forward Coleman Hawkins is scheduled to visit Louisville this weekend, his agent Nate Conley tells On3. The 6-foot-10 grad transfer is currently the top available forward in the portal, according to On3." www.on3.com/college/louisville-cardinals/news/illinois-transfer-forward-coleman-hawkins-sets-visit-to-louisville/If only Pat Kelsey could have been available when we hired Cooley. Louisville has an $8-10MM NIL budget---if not the highest, probably only 2nd to Ark.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 6, 2024 11:33:29 GMT -5
Staff is clearly not content. Cooley has said as much at the recent alumni receptions. He wanted another 5. That hasn’t worked out yet. I would expect Cooley to continue hustling up until the season starts, but we may have to prepare for the possibility of Fielder and Sorber carrying more of the load than planned. Only options are late decommits, international, or a reclassified 2025 kid. Slim pickings True, but we only need one.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 6, 2024 12:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Jun 6, 2024 13:30:37 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 6, 2024 19:33:43 GMT -5
Does anybody know the rule regarding reopening a transfer portal commitment? In other words, at what point does the player actually become committed? I assume when they enroll?
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jun 7, 2024 9:55:03 GMT -5
He’s clearly not content with what he has. He’s tried extremely hard to get multiple bigs but he failed to land any of them. Like I said before, in today’s day and age you have to willing to overpay in order to fill needs. You have to be willing to offer more than what every other program is offering. Based on everything I’ve heard and read, we haven’t shown the willingness to do that.
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