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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Apr 23, 2024 11:47:02 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 23, 2024 11:57:31 GMT -5
While I would rather have Omoruyi if that was the choice we had, I think Awaka would be a big improvement on the defensive end over Cook IF he can avoid fouling. That's really been a huge problem for him both freshman and sophomore year and is an inherent limit to his minutes. If we aren't in the running for Omoyuri, I think Awaka would be a nice pickup. The guy just did an official visit at Georgetown and 3 nights ago was partying at Kenny Johnson's condo watching a fight. Additionally, we probably have more NIL money to give him than any other team does. How is that not "in the running for Omoyuri"? Awaka doesn't move the needle for next year's Hoyas team. He's a slight upgrade to Cook but I'd rather those minutes go to Fielder and Sorber, if Awaka is our option - especially if Awaka costs anything from an NIL standpoint. I never said we were out on Omoruyi. Please re-read what I wrote. I said, " if we aren't in the running for Omoruyi." I was setting a condition. If we aren't in the running for Omoruyi, THEN Awaka would be a nice pickup. I would rather have Omoruyi though. It seems like the door isn't shut on Omoruyi, but it's also not as open as it was before this weekend, either. We need to be looking at other options. While I like Cook the person and player, he simply isn't good enough on defense to play more than 10 minutes a game, max. If he does, we aren't going to be very good no matter who else we get. (Unless Cook improves a lot, which is possible, but seems unlikely given that he's going to be a 5th year guy.) He might be a small upgrade on Cook on offense, but I think on defense he'd be a substantial upgrade if he can stay on the floor and not foul out every game.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Apr 23, 2024 12:07:52 GMT -5
That didn't take very long
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 23, 2024 12:08:14 GMT -5
While I would rather have Omoruyi if that was the choice we had, I think Awaka would be a big improvement on the defensive end over Cook IF he can avoid fouling. That's really been a huge problem for him both freshman and sophomore year and is an inherent limit to his minutes. If we aren't in the running for Omoyuri, I think Awaka would be a nice pickup. The guy just did an official visit at Georgetown and 3 nights ago was partying at Kenny Johnson's condo watching a fight. Additionally, we probably have more NIL money to give him than any other team does. How is that not "in the running for Omoyuri"? Awaka doesn't move the needle for next year's Hoyas team. He's a slight upgrade to Cook but I'd rather those minutes go to Fielder and Sorber, if Awaka is our option - especially if Awaka costs anything from an NIL standpoint. "Probably have more NIL money to give him than any other team does" is entirely speculation.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Apr 23, 2024 12:45:45 GMT -5
If Cliff gets the godfather offer that he seeks from somewhere else, good luck to him. Can't begrudge him or any other kid for doing so, especially if they're not a surefire NBA player.
That being said, I am curious to see what the final number is vs. our offer. If we got blown out of the water and someone else massively overpaid, I can live with that. If we were haggling over 100-200K and had the opportunity to meet in the middle but chose not to, I'd be a little bit more annoyed.
Time will tell.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2024 13:15:00 GMT -5
Is Awaka even an upgrade to Cook? If so, what is the evidence? Awaka- 2.37 OBPR, 2.87 DBPR. 21.3 PER, 18.9 TRB%, 5.65 BlK%, .212 WS/40 Cook- 1.34 OBPR, -1.44 DBPR, 20.5 PER, 17.5 TRB%, 1.1 Blk%, .113 WS/40 Awaka is a better offensive player but a significantly better defender, who is a better rebounder. Awaka does everything better than Cook. How does Awaka compare with Cliff O. on those stats? I'm very skeptical of advanced defensive stats, in general, but they are interesting. One thing Awaka would have is he would allow Sorber and Fielder to play more as a center, which might make a lot of sense.
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 23, 2024 13:46:59 GMT -5
Awaka can defend the 5 as well to be honest.
Cliff 0.43 OBPR, 2.94 DBPR, 21.7 PER, 16.3TRB%, 12.8 BLK%, .162 WS/40
Cliff is a bigger body that gets more blocks. He's more of a traditional center size wise. To be honest, i think its possible Awake becomes the better player, but may not be today.
Cliff is probably a bit better defensively and is better at staying out of foul trouble. He has the worst offensive game by far. Awaka is a much better defender than Cook. Awaka has a nice shot (including free throws).
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 23, 2024 14:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 23, 2024 15:58:45 GMT -5
Does Awaka provide the rim protection that we need? Not exactly, but he is a very good defender with a defensive BPR comparable to Cliff.
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Post by caip on Apr 23, 2024 16:07:42 GMT -5
If Cliff gets the godfather offer that he seeks from somewhere else, good luck to him. Can't begrudge him or any other kid for doing so, especially if they're not a surefire NBA player. That being said, I am curious to see what the final number is vs. our offer. If we got blown out of the water and someone else massively overpaid, I can live with that. If we were haggling over 100-200K and had the opportunity to meet in the middle but chose not to, I'd be a little bit more annoyed. Time will tell. I'm not sure time will tell
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 23, 2024 16:26:49 GMT -5
If Cliff gets the godfather offer that he seeks from somewhere else, good luck to him. Can't begrudge him or any other kid for doing so, especially if they're not a surefire NBA player. That being said, I am curious to see what the final number is vs. our offer. If we got blown out of the water and someone else massively overpaid, I can live with that. If we were haggling over 100-200K and had the opportunity to meet in the middle but chose not to, I'd be a little bit more annoyed. Time will tell. I'm not sure time will tellĀ Yeah we will never know yet that type of info.
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Post by traversb on Apr 23, 2024 16:40:45 GMT -5
If Cliff gets the godfather offer that he seeks from somewhere else, good luck to him. Can't begrudge him or any other kid for doing so, especially if they're not a surefire NBA player. That being said, I am curious to see what the final number is vs. our offer. If we got blown out of the water and someone else massively overpaid, I can live with that. If we were haggling over 100-200K and had the opportunity to meet in the middle but chose not to, I'd be a little bit more annoyed. Time will tell. Many deals are falling apart over 100-200k. That is a lot of money for a lot of these guys that don't have much and aren't lined up for big paydays in the future. It's crazy to think but some of these guys will make more in college than they will in the pros or whatever job they end up in. Crazy times we are in right now.
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Post by traversb on Apr 23, 2024 16:47:39 GMT -5
Does Awaka provide the rim protection that we need? Not exactly, but he is a very good defender with a defensive BPR comparable to Cliff. Two different type of defenders. Awaka is more of a wont get bullied on the block. Cliff is rim protection. Cooley needs to figure out what defensive role he thinks Sorber can play. I think this team needs a rim protector more than a low post guy because of the bad perimeter defenders.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 23, 2024 17:05:54 GMT -5
Not exactly, but he is a very good defender with a defensive BPR comparable to Cliff. Two different type of defenders. Awaka is more of a wont get bullied on the block. Cliff is rim protection. Cooley needs to figure out what defensive role he thinks Sorber can play. I think this team needs a rim protector more than a low post guy because of the bad perimeter defenders. Peavy is a good perimeter defender. So is Mulready. So it's not totally barren on the perimeter defensively, though the starting guards are likely to be a negative on that end.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 23, 2024 20:12:03 GMT -5
Selling himself to the highest bidder, yee hah. Can't blame him, that's the system we're stuck with these days. On the Williams signing, I was still holding out hope that we could find a strong shooting guard and make Epps the sixth man. That doesn't seem to be in the cards, so put that in the category of you can't have everything. If he's strong defensively then there should be a spot for him, as that's an everpresent need. You think we are going to sign someone above Epps and he is going to stick around? That is.............unrealistic. Yes, you're probably right, and I hope Epps is able to adjust his game, but I think he'd be ideal as a 6th man. And I agree that a rim protector is a bigger need.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Apr 23, 2024 21:45:49 GMT -5
I get it. I don't think Cliff plays in the NBA except as a backup. So this is one chance for a huge chance for a payday. From what I understand, our offer is the highest. Bama fans say they definitely don't have have 1 mill for anyone. Are rumors saying he's asking for 1 million? That's way over priced if true The thing is that with guys like this a lot of times you have to be willing to overpay in order to win the bidding war. If you're not willing to pay, someone else is. I have no doubt that Bama or UNC or another top school who is looking to keep elite status will pay him what he wants.
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Post by madmike on Apr 23, 2024 23:34:55 GMT -5
Any idea on when cliff visists Bama?
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 23, 2024 23:42:56 GMT -5
Are rumors saying he's asking for 1 million? That's way over priced if true The thing is that with guys like this a lot of times you have to be willing to overpay in order to win the bidding war. If you're not willing to pay, someone else is. I have no doubt that Bama or UNC or another top school who is looking to keep elite status will pay him what he wants. Let them.
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