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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2017 17:17:02 GMT -5
Georgetown job opening should garner a lot of interest. New facilities History Name recognition Big East DMV recruits East coast big city FS1 tv deal Coaches will be lining up for the chance to resurrect this program. Agreed. Just hope we make the right choice.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2017 17:19:57 GMT -5
This is completely where I am, except I'm a hard pass on Marshall, and I would also add in other coaches in our league now. But Shaka for Georgetown, that I'm all in for. I would run laps naked around the Reflecting Pool if I got an alert that we hired Gregg Marshall. If it was even remotely possible, you do WHATEVER it takes to make that hire. Everyone in the vicinity of the Reflecting Pool votes no on Marshall.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2017 17:21:22 GMT -5
Beyond the Thompsons, what is the culture of our program? I honestly have no idea. Current culture? I'll take a crack. Good kids who like to play basketball but are uninspired, lack discipline, aren't particularly good at defense, offense or rebounding. Not much fire in their bellies. They don't seem to like lifting weights or extra practicing (or maybe they do like these things but aren't particularly good at getting results). Some graduate. Many leave before graduation. So yeah, I have no idea either. Ah yes, nothing like kicking a man when he is down.
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Post by guru on Mar 23, 2017 17:22:04 GMT -5
Current culture? I'll take a crack. Good kids who like to play basketball but are uninspired, lack discipline, aren't particularly good at defense, offense or rebounding. Not much fire in their bellies. They don't seem to like lifting weights or extra practicing (or maybe they do like these things but aren't particularly good at getting results). Some graduate. Many leave before graduation. So yeah, I have no idea either. That's not the culture of the program. When outsiders look at a Georgetown hat they don't think of that. They think of the aggressive 80s, they think of Iverson, they think of a program that had the first african american National Championship coach, they think of family, they think of defense, they think of the Big East( and yes unfortunately they think of our tournament woes). The problems of the TEAM isn't the culture of a 110 year old basketball program. I think you're describing the 46 year old Thompson program, which is fine. I certainly think we should keep honoring our past as we move onward. I look forward to learning what the Georgetown basketball culture will be.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 23, 2017 17:22:04 GMT -5
Current culture? I'll take a crack. Good kids who like to play basketball but are uninspired, lack discipline, aren't particularly good at defense, offense or rebounding. Not much fire in their bellies. They don't seem to like lifting weights or extra practicing (or maybe they do like these things but aren't particularly good at getting results). Some graduate. Many leave before graduation. So yeah, I have no idea either. That's not the culture of the program. When outsiders look at a Georgetown hat they don't think of that. They think of the aggressive 80s, they think of Iverson, they think of a program that had the first african american National Championship coach, they think of family, they think of defense, they think of the Big East( and yes unfortunately they think of our tournament woes). The problems of the TEAM isn't the culture of a 110 year old basketball program. Go ahead and bury your head in the sand. Who are these Outsiders" you speak of? 50+ year olds who fondly remember the old Big East? I'm 44 years old and went to Georgetown. The "culture" of the program is critically important to 18 year olds (and younger). Frankly, there is no known "culture" at Georgetown within our target. Most high school kids today know nothing about the history of Georgetown because we've been barely relevant in their lifetime. Maybe there's a "tradition" at Georgetown and certainly, the Thompson family deserves all the credit in the world for building that tradition. But the culture you write about hasn't existed in years. At least not since Jeff, Roy and Jon walked out that door 9-10 years ago.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 23, 2017 17:26:41 GMT -5
I'd hope we would look at NBA coaches that are getting tired of the league. Guys like Hoiberg and Donovan have had difficult years at their various NBA teams. Clearly a NBA only coach would have a hard transition into CBB but both of those guys have done it. It's definitely a different game but having NBA experience is a great recruiting tool.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 23, 2017 17:28:19 GMT -5
Have any current players or very recent transfers commented in any way on the news today? It will be very interesting to see what they have to say (at least publicly).
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Post by sleepy on Mar 23, 2017 17:31:01 GMT -5
That's not the culture of the program. When outsiders look at a Georgetown hat they don't think of that. They think of the aggressive 80s, they think of Iverson, they think of a program that had the first african american National Championship coach, they think of family, they think of defense, they think of the Big East( and yes unfortunately they think of our tournament woes). The problems of the TEAM isn't the culture of a 110 year old basketball program. Go ahead and bury your head in the sand. Who are these Outsiders" you speak of? 50+ year olds who fondly remember the old Big East? I'm 44 years old and went to Georgetown. The "culture" of the program is critically important to 18 year olds (and younger). Frankly, there is no known "culture" at Georgetown within our target. Most high school kids today know nothing about the history of Georgetown because we've been barely relevant in their lifetime. Maybe there's a "tradition" at Georgetown and certainly, the Thompson family deserves all the credit in the world for building that tradition. But the culture you write about hasn't existed in years. At least not since Jeff, Roy and Jon walked out that door 9-10 years ago. We can agree to disagree on this.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 23, 2017 17:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 23, 2017 17:32:43 GMT -5
Fred Brown
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 23, 2017 17:32:57 GMT -5
First step is to poke around the high major/high profile coaches. See if you can find a high level candidate who is looking for a change, even if it's not obvious on the outside. Sort of like what Illinois just did. I'd include Shaka and Archie in this group. But this has to be done in secrecy--you don't want a public rejection leading to devaluation of the job.
If this falls through I think the next call is to Hurley. He sort of "feels" like the candidate by virtue of being in the northeast and having success one level down from the Big East.
After that it's a little thin. I want no part of older guys who've been bounced from big time jobs--much rather take a bit of a gamble on an up-and-comer with energy and hunger. Amaker and Crean are both hard passes. I'd rather reach a little lower and get somebody like Rice (Monmouth), Davis (Bucknell) or even Christian (MSM) before going with a retread. I feel like the high major washout model rarely works (Tubby, Lavin, Stallings, etc.) We have to make our own path.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 23, 2017 17:32:58 GMT -5
You don't want a new culture around the program. The culture around the program is far bigger than the Thompsons. The culture around the program is arguably its biggest asset. Beyond the Thompsons, what is the culture of our program? I honestly have no idea. One fist, two fist, grey fist, blue fist? But on a serious note Guru, you are right. No one knows. The great unknown awaits us.
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Post by playtyler on Mar 23, 2017 17:33:10 GMT -5
Please, Please, Please not Hurley. He is an embarrassment. Google Hurley Turgeon or see the interview he did after the conference tourney win. He is a world class Bobby Knight level ahole. He also isn't that great a coach. One NCAA tourney in 7 years with a senior laden team this year that won one game in the NCAA tourney, against Creighton, a team JT III beat this year and then lost to Oregon, a team JT III beat this year. Rhode Island beat one NCAA tournament team this season (Cincinatti early in the season). They lost every other game they played against tourney teams (Duke, Providence, Dayton (both times they played)). He is an overrated jerk. If he was not Bob Hurley's son he would not be anything. No thanks to overrated legendary coaches sons. Had enough of that.
As for Smart, he hasn't won anything without his ace assistants, Will Wade, Jamion Christian and Mike Jones. Smart has shown he can recruit, but let's see if he can coach. Texas lost some terrible games this year and had a historically bad season. He is not leaving. Texas may be a better job and he has recruits coming in. Still not sure if he is the next Brad Stevens or the next Mike Davis.
Gregg Marshall would be a great get, though this is impossible. If he comes I am going to try to get tickets near his wife to hear what she says.
Enfield, impossible. If it were possible, I would love this one. Same with Archie Miller. Please try to get Archie Miller. Sad thing is he may have a better job already. Same with Tony Bennett. Please try to get Tony Bennett. He would be great. He is not leaving UVA for us.
Amaker, Pass. In 6 years at Michigan he never made the NCAA Tournament. Has not made the NCAA's the last two years at Harvard. Didn't we just fire a guy for not making the NCAA's two years in a row?
Tom Crean, Pass. He might be OK at the beginning, but I just don't think I could take having Tom Crean as our head coach. I also don't want Boeheim or Calhoun or Pitino (any Pitino (see Hurley above, no famous coaches sons)) or Huggins...
Patrick Ewing, Pass. No head coaching experience or college coaching experience. Does he have the fire to go out and recruit high school kids?
Sydney Johnson is a GREAT GUY by all accounts. Has been to one NCAA tourney in 11 years and none in the last seven years. Pass.
If Enfield, Miller, Bennett and Smart (reluctantly) are all not available, then I think we go for:
King Rice Ed Cooley John Becker Jamion Christion Randy Bennett
Tell me why these five would not be good choices, after the home run choices above.
Whatever happens, NO DANNY HURLEY.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 23, 2017 17:36:17 GMT -5
Please, Please, Please not Hurley. He is an embarrassment. Google Hurley Turgeon or see the interview he did after the conference tourney win. He is a world class Bobby Knight level ahole. He also isn't that great a coach. One NCAA tourney in 7 years with a senior laden team this year that won one game in the NCAA tourney, against Creighton, a team JT III beat this year and then lost to Oregon, a team JT III beat this year. Rhode Island beat one NCAA tournament team this season (Cincinatti early in the season). They lost every other game they played against tourney teams (Duke, Providence, Dayton (both times they played)). He is an overrated jerk. If he was not Bob Hurley's son he would not be anything. No thanks to overrated legendary coaches sons. Had enough of that. As for Smart, he hasn't won anything without his ace assistants, Will Wade, Jamion Christian and Mike Jones. Smart has shown he can recruit, but let's see if he can coach. Texas lost some terrible games this year and had a historically bad season. He is not leaving. Texas may be a better job and he has recruits coming in. Still not sure if he is the next Brad Stevens or the next Mike Davis. Gregg Marshall would be a great get, though this is impossible. If he comes I am going to try to get tickets near his wife to hear what she says. Enfield, impossible. If it were possible, I would love this one. Same with Archie Miller. Please try to get Archie Miller. Sad thing is he may have a better job already. Same with Tony Bennett. Please try to get Tony Bennett. He would be great. He is not leaving UVA for us. Amaker, Pass. In 6 years at Michigan he never made the NCAA Tournament. Has not made the NCAA's the last two years at Harvard. Didn't we just fire a guy for not making the NCAA's two years in a row? Tom Crean, Pass. He might be OK at the beginning, but I just don't think I could take having Tom Crean as our head coach. I also don't want Boeheim or Calhoun or Pitino (any Pitino (see Hurley above, no famous coaches sons)) or Huggins... Patrick Ewing, Pass. No head coaching experience or college coaching experience. Does he have the fire to go out and recruit high school kids? Sydney Johnson is a GREAT GUY by all accounts. Has been to one NCAA tourney in 11 years and none in the last seven years. Pass. If Enfield, Miller, Bennett and Smart (reluctantly) are all not available, then I think we go for: King Rice Ed Cooley John Becker Jamion Christion Randy Bennett Tell me why these five would not be good choices, after the home run choices above. Whatever happens, NO DANNY HURLEY. I mean, there really isn't much out there.
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Post by hoya8185 on Mar 23, 2017 17:43:59 GMT -5
Enfield is a JHU graduate. He has East Coast roots. Rumors out that he has been contacted.
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 23, 2017 17:45:33 GMT -5
I like a lot of the options. Cooley intrigues me. Not sure I'm sold on him but let's assume he is the best guy for a second
Why does he leave providence for here? Are the schools really different?
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Post by MJGHoya on Mar 23, 2017 17:54:53 GMT -5
Please, Please, Please not Hurley. He is an embarrassment. Google Hurley Turgeon or see the interview he did after the conference tourney win. He is a world class Bobby Knight level ahole. He also isn't that great a coach. One NCAA tourney in 7 years with a senior laden team this year that won one game in the NCAA tourney, against Creighton, a team JT III beat this year and then lost to Oregon, a team JT III beat this year. Rhode Island beat one NCAA tournament team this season (Cincinatti early in the season). They lost every other game they played against tourney teams (Duke, Providence, Dayton (both times they played)). He is an overrated jerk. If he was not Bob Hurley's son he would not be anything. No thanks to overrated legendary coaches sons. Had enough of that. As for Smart, he hasn't won anything without his ace assistants, Will Wade, Jamion Christian and Mike Jones. Smart has shown he can recruit, but let's see if he can coach. Texas lost some terrible games this year and had a historically bad season. He is not leaving. Texas may be a better job and he has recruits coming in. Still not sure if he is the next Brad Stevens or the next Mike Davis. Gregg Marshall would be a great get, though this is impossible. If he comes I am going to try to get tickets near his wife to hear what she says. Enfield, impossible. If it were possible, I would love this one. Same with Archie Miller. Please try to get Archie Miller. Sad thing is he may have a better job already. Same with Tony Bennett. Please try to get Tony Bennett. He would be great. He is not leaving UVA for us. Amaker, Pass. In 6 years at Michigan he never made the NCAA Tournament. Has not made the NCAA's the last two years at Harvard. Didn't we just fire a guy for not making the NCAA's two years in a row? Tom Crean, Pass. He might be OK at the beginning, but I just don't think I could take having Tom Crean as our head coach. I also don't want Boeheim or Calhoun or Pitino (any Pitino (see Hurley above, no famous coaches sons)) or Huggins... Patrick Ewing, Pass. No head coaching experience or college coaching experience. Does he have the fire to go out and recruit high school kids? Sydney Johnson is a GREAT GUY by all accounts. Has been to one NCAA tourney in 11 years and none in the last seven years. Pass. If Enfield, Miller, Bennett and Smart (reluctantly) are all not available, then I think we go for: King Rice Ed Cooley John Becker Jamion Christion Randy Bennett Tell me why these five would not be good choices, after the home run choices above. Whatever happens, NO DANNY HURLEY. A lot of good points but interesting that you are so opposed to Hurley but not Greg Marshall. I think Greg Marshall is a great coach but is supposedly a major jerk. Stories about him getting in heated arguments at charity golf tournaments etc.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 23, 2017 17:56:25 GMT -5
I believe with Billy Donovan one or more national championships would not be a pipe dream.
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Post by royski on Mar 23, 2017 17:56:45 GMT -5
Having some fire in the belly is a positive, not a negative. After 13 years of a monk on the sideline, I wouldn't mind someone who lets loose a little.
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Post by playtyler on Mar 23, 2017 17:56:55 GMT -5
If Marshall is a jerk (his wife apparently is) than we don't want him either. Didn't know. He does have a VERY impressive coaching resume, unlike Dan Hurley. SO they are different in that respect.
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