drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Feb 4, 2022 11:13:29 GMT -5
What a disgrace. Okay so people on this Board know why the gym was empty and probably the parents of students know it but did the University realize THAT THOUSANDS OF ALUMNI AND COLLEGE BASKETBALL FANS AROUND THE COUNTRY WATCHING THE GAME NOW THINK THAT GEORGETOWN BASKETBALL CAN'T EVEN FILL ITS DINKY GYM? I think it is obvious now that the posters on this Board care a lot more about Georgetown basketball than does the University Administration. The good news is that I bet it was more like hundreds of people watching that game. Good point. I knew there was a pony somewhere in this horse manure.
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Post by hoyaphan on Feb 4, 2022 11:31:21 GMT -5
Last night just goes to show it doesn’t matter what arena they play in. Team would be getting killed just the same ina. Packed arena . Ewing needs to go yesterday
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Post by hoyaphan on Feb 4, 2022 11:33:24 GMT -5
Cap one is fine if the team was even borderline competitive (3-5 wins in the conference ) crowd would be 3x bigger than the pathetic showing we’ve seen lately . I haven't been to a game since the TCU game . I usually go to almost every game.
This team is so bad and pathetic it’s not worth going into dc and spending money just to be embarrassed by a rival
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Post by jhoya23 on Mar 27, 2023 21:01:08 GMT -5
Is there any chance Georgetown acts on this and buys the spot, potentially for an arena? Not in Georgetown so avoids the neighbors and parking dilemma but close enough for students to walk across the bridge. Feels like the perfect opportunity to me.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 27, 2023 21:13:03 GMT -5
Is there any chance Georgetown acts on this and buys the spot, potentially for an arena? Not in Georgetown so avoids the neighbors and parking dilemma but close enough for students to walk across the bridge. Feels like the perfect opportunity to me. Chance? Sure, but it would involve a significant pivot from the Capitol Campus, and this assumes there is liquidity available to make a successful bid in short order before it ends up in a bankruptcy court. Over and above an arena, the details of which would likely go through both Arlington County and Monumental Sports, GU would be acquiring a whopping 900 beds and significant kitchen and convention spaces, all of which are in some need of renovation; yet, it is younger than New South. But as we collectively learned with Mount Vernon College, these opportunities don't come around very often.
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Post by jhoya23 on Mar 27, 2023 21:28:38 GMT -5
I get that Georgetowns expansion is focused downtown, but how often does the opportunity to purchase an huge plot 15 minutes from the front gates come around? Feels like an incredible opportunity that could come at a discounted price with the current owner in financial difficulty. No student is going to want to live in a dorm across the bridge, but a quick walk to an arena compared to a 30 minute bus ride downtown would definitely increase turnout.
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 27, 2023 21:28:48 GMT -5
Is there any chance Georgetown acts on this and buys the spot, potentially for an arena? Not in Georgetown so avoids the neighbors and parking dilemma but close enough for students to walk across the bridge. Feels like the perfect opportunity to me. Also build that gondola (public-private partnership?). The guts bus also already runs over to Rosslyn a lot for students. Can also use it for concerts, events, etc. On the basketball side Cooley certainly seems like the guy to have a vision and wanting an on campus arena but this might be an admin nightmare with the current landscape and financial commitments elsewhere. If they built something small, intimate but effective then the other sports in McD (like women's ball) can actually play somewhere nice and help those programs as well which allows McD to be fixed up or changed completely (at whatever speed they want to) since there is such limited space in the campus as is. Or just go with something like 10-15k and just tell Cap one to shove it lmao probably won't happen but ya know you can dream.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 27, 2023 21:33:08 GMT -5
Is there any chance Georgetown acts on this and buys the spot, potentially for an arena? Not in Georgetown so avoids the neighbors and parking dilemma but close enough for students to walk across the bridge. Feels like the perfect opportunity to me. Chance? Sure, but it would involve a significant pivot from the Capitol Campus, and this assumes there is liquidity available to make a successful bid in short order before it ends up in a bankruptcy court. Over and above an arena, the details of which would likely go through both Arlington County and Monumental Sports, GU would be acquiring a whopping 900 beds and significant kitchen and convention spaces, all of which are in some need of renovation; yet, it is younger than New South. But as we collectively learned with Mount Vernon College, these opportunities don't come around very often. I'm sure there's plenty of issues but it's a very attractive parcel. Could be used for any number of purposes. It would be planning malpractice to not at least perform diligence.
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 27, 2023 21:36:51 GMT -5
Is there any chance Georgetown acts on this and buys the spot, potentially for an arena? Not in Georgetown so avoids the neighbors and parking dilemma but close enough for students to walk across the bridge. Feels like the perfect opportunity to me. Chance? Sure, but it would involve a significant pivot from the Capitol Campus, and this assumes there is liquidity available to make a successful bid in short order before it ends up in a bankruptcy court. Over and above an arena, the details of which would likely go through both Arlington County and Monumental Sports, GU would be acquiring a whopping 900 beds and significant kitchen and convention spaces, all of which are in some need of renovation; yet, it is younger than New South. But as we collectively learned with Mount Vernon College, these opportunities don't come around very often. I see what you're saying, but questions: hypothetically if the school did buy it for the beds, would it be a problem that there hasn't been a major expansion to academic spaces to support another 900 students on the hilltop? Would there need to be some classrooms in the new building (maybe the new regents adjacent building compensates?)? Or is the campus capacity issue more of a living spaces cap than a classroom crowding problem? This almost feels like Mount Vernon episode 2 but this is a prime (basically waterfront) property that is even closer to main campus and passed by many students going into VA for many reasons like work, metro, dinner, bars, etc. At least in the case of the Vern, to go there, you would've actually have been moving away from the "action" of the city with this being closer
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 27, 2023 21:59:31 GMT -5
I see what you're saying, but questions: hypothetically if the school did buy it for the beds, would it be a problem that there hasn't been a major expansion to academic spaces to support another 900 students on the hilltop? Would there need to be some classrooms in the new building (maybe the new regents adjacent building compensates?)? Or is the campus capacity issue more of a living spaces cap than a classroom crowding problem? The question assumes that students would be taking classes on the campus. Maybe yes, maybe no: students living on the Capital Campus will be taking courses downtown, not at the Hilltop. In this scenario, who's to say classroom and living-learning space is created on a plot of land like this as well? In past years, organized efforts to get students to live off-campus have, for the most part, failed. The University bought Alban Towers on Mass. Ave. in then 1970s for 450 beds and students avoided it at all costs, forcing the University to sell it. Only in recent years has the view changed that students would consider off-campus living and learning as part of their experience and the Capital Campus is a significant wager in that view.
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 27, 2023 23:22:12 GMT -5
I see what you're saying, but questions: hypothetically if the school did buy it for the beds, would it be a problem that there hasn't been a major expansion to academic spaces to support another 900 students on the hilltop? Would there need to be some classrooms in the new building (maybe the new regents adjacent building compensates?)? Or is the campus capacity issue more of a living spaces cap than a classroom crowding problem? The question assumes that students would be taking classes on the campus. Maybe yes, maybe no: students living on the Capital Campus will be taking courses downtown, not at the Hilltop. In this scenario, who's to say classroom and living-learning space is created on a plot of land like this as well? In past years, organized efforts to get students to live off-campus have, for the most part, failed. The University bought Alban Towers on Mass. Ave. in then 1970s for 450 beds and students avoided it at all costs, forcing the University to sell it. Only in recent years has the view changed that students would consider off-campus living and learning as part of their experience and the Capital Campus is a significant wager in that view. While you make a good point about downtown being separate classes, it would probably feel silly to be taking all classes across the river when that is an enjoyable 10 minute walk to carbarn and Walsh (vs the 20-30 minute ride to downtown campus which can vary wildly). It could be a good idea to have a seminar or some other "unique" class that is there which allows some students if they so choose to not have to cross for every single class. It is close enough that if it was set up well when I was younger, I wouldn’t say no to living there. It can certainly be integrated into regular student life by for example having career fairs/visits and other events in those convention halls which would pull many to come over. All in all, it is hard to see this happening but I think it is a good opportunity and worth stretching for (from my non-insider info/financials pov) for whatever purpose such as housing students, an on campus arena, or both, who knows. I like the idea of an on campus arena that is walkable for students, easier to get to for at least me lol, and the school no longer having to pay for a just "ok" pro arena (I also hate it as an alum). Also other sports could finally move out of McD which definitely helps them as programs and it can be altered or used in whatever it is need to be for the school which I can imagine being helpful for the shuffling that needs to happen for other construction/renovation.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 27, 2023 23:38:26 GMT -5
When I was recently up at Syracuse, I stayed at a hotel off campus. I was informed that the bottom half of the hotel were student dorms and the top half guests quarters. The guests were mostly alumni there to visit their kids and/or attend games. The Key Bridge hotel has a beautiful view of the campus and could have a restaurant on the top level. I would stay there when I came down if reasonably priced. It could host reunion events. Worth a serious look.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 28, 2023 0:16:46 GMT -5
Ah, the Key Bridge Marriott. Fond memories. Used to walk across the bridge to get my hair cut. Even before I came to Georgetown my uncle and cousins and I stayed there, while we watched my cousin with Stepinac in the KoC tournament at McD. That was the time when Big John was leading Carroll to their 55 straight win, and of course won the tournament.
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Post by saxagael on Mar 28, 2023 8:12:48 GMT -5
The Key Bridge Marriott property was bought in 2018 and was approved to be demolished and turned into two residential towers in 2020. The hotel closed in July 2021 in preparation for the demolition. The building was condemned to clear out squatters that had been in the building for the last few months with no water nor electricity. This was a step to prepare it to be demolished and keep people out.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 28, 2023 8:44:30 GMT -5
There is no indication that the property is up for re-sale by the developer and what the status of the approved development plans are but the developer has run into financial trouble. The former Key Bridge Marriott, by a major thoroughfare on the edge of the Rosslyn neighborhood, closed in summer 2021 ahead of plans to demolish some smaller buildings on the 5.5-acre complex and replace them with apartment towers. The former Marriott property, which was once the hotel chain’s oldest U.S. location, was purchased in 2018 by an LLC tied to Woodridge Capital Partners, a Los Angeles developer that specializes in converting luxury hotels into apartments. In March 2020, county officials approved the construction of two residential buildings on the site at 1401 Langston Blvd. Marriott “ceased operation” of the hotel in July 2021, officials said, closing the building to prepare for redevelopment. Neither Woodridge Capital Partners nor Duball LLC, a D.C.-area real estate developer working with the company, responded to requests for comment. Woodridge appears to have run into recent financial trouble on two California projects. Woodridge defaulted last year on a $56.2 million mortgage for a century-old San Francisco hotel and on $1.8 billion in loans connected to another property in Los Angeles, a 726-room hotel on the edge of Beverly Hills. www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/24/homeless-hotel-arlington-marriott-condemned/
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Post by reformation on Mar 28, 2023 9:55:13 GMT -5
Need some vision.
Its close enough, obviously within line of sight, to potentially avoid distance from campus issues that have plagued other projects.
With all the issues in the RE mkt now one would think the developer would entertain offers but who knows.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2023 10:34:49 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 7, 2023 11:57:24 GMT -5
This is why we can't have nice things like an on-campus arena
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 7, 2023 12:10:46 GMT -5
This is why we can't have nice things like an on-campus arena You really have to wonder about people that have enough time and energy to be bothered about this. On a somewhat related note, I've never been able to understand the anti-student/anti-university arguments of people who decided to buy property in a neghbohood that has housed a university since 1789. Apologies if this opinion is clutter/off-topic...
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Post by seaweed on Apr 7, 2023 12:16:44 GMT -5
This is why we can't have nice things like an on-campus arena Too many dollars and not enough sense. Not strictly a DC thing, but the prevalence of sleazy lawyers in DC makes it easier to find someone to take up the fight for you.
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