blueandgray
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Rebounding
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 22, 2016 23:52:58 GMT -5
Man were we manhandled on the boards tonight. I don't think I remember a rebound disparity to that degree in any game, ever.
While doing the highlights, Seth Greenberg just said that Georgetown is one of the worst defensive rebounding teams in the country. Any stats to support this?
Unfortunately, I have a feeling this is going to be a thread that we revisit throughout the season.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 23, 2016 0:01:18 GMT -5
This is one thing I blame on JT3. Rebounding is entirely based on effort and if the coach prioritizes rebounding then the effort will be there. It can't be a match-up decision, it needs to be a season long emphasis and focus.
Copeland has been decent at it but we can't depend on him to earn minutes. Our rebounding from the guard has been lacking this year without DSR. Additionally, neither Agau or Govan are proficient at rebounding out of their area.
I was worried this would be a weakness with this team and it has manifested itself. It can be recovered by an emphasis on rebounding, even at the expense of giving up 2 on 1s in transition. Additionally, the return of Derrickson will also help rebounding.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 23, 2016 0:05:42 GMT -5
Rebounding is 98% desire and hustle. Right now, this team often has 1-2 guys on the court looking for guys to put a body on and box out while the rest aren't paying attention. Wisconsin is a great rebounding team, and they took advantage of this completely.
Hayes had 8 of the team's 20 boards. I know what that tells me.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 23, 2016 0:07:59 GMT -5
That we aren't very good or something else?
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 23, 2016 0:10:42 GMT -5
Start Hayes!
I think we have the game away in the first 2 minutes of the 2nd half with Govan in the game. He couldn't grab a board if his life depended on it and was playing matador defense as Wisconsin repeatedly drove the ball at him.
Rodney does a decent job on the boards, but its going to have to be a team effort and a point of emphasis.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 23, 2016 0:10:51 GMT -5
We are 335th in the nation at defensive rebounding percentage. The bad news is Oklahoma State is 61st in offensive rebounding percentage and UNC is 2nd.
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Post by lucky on Nov 23, 2016 0:12:05 GMT -5
Sitting in the stands I was going crazy at the complete lack of boxing out. We were ten feet behind JT3 and he wasn't liking it either. Guys just don't care or don't get it...either way that's a huge problem.
One more thing about our bigs, dunk the ball. On one play Bradley had his guy pinned, needed a half pivot and rip the rim down. Instead, flipped ball over his shoulder for a miss from three feet. Please bring in Micheal Graham to show these guys what to do when you have, the position, the ball, and the size advantage.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 23, 2016 0:13:08 GMT -5
As lichoya68 would say, bring on the meanery.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Nov 23, 2016 0:20:14 GMT -5
Start Hayes! I think we have the game away in the first 2 minutes of the 2nd half with Govan in the game. He couldn't grab a board if his life depended on it and was playing matador defense as Wisconsin repeatedly drove the ball at him. Rodney does a decent job on the boards, but its going to have to be a team effort and a point of emphasis. I agree with this regarding the first few minutes of the 2nd half. Starting Govan and Copeland in the 2nd half cost us any chance we had of winning this game.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 23, 2016 0:24:13 GMT -5
This is one thing I blame on JT3. Rebounding is entirely based on effort and if the coach prioritizes rebounding then the effort will be there. It can't be a match-up decision, it needs to be a season long emphasis and focus. Copeland has been decent at it but we can't depend on him to earn minutes. Our rebounding from the guard has been lacking this year without DSR. Additionally, neither Agau or Govan are proficient at rebounding out of their area. I was worried this would be a weakness with this team and it has manifested itself. It can be recovered by an emphasis on rebounding, even at the expense of giving up 2 on 1s in transition. Additionally, the return of Derrickson will also help rebounding. Isaac, like the rest of the squad, has been bad at it. He had one game that skews his stats.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 23, 2016 0:27:49 GMT -5
Man were we manhandled on the boards tonight. I don't think I remember a rebound disparity to that degree in any game, ever. While doing the highlights, Seth Greenberg just said that Georgetown is one of the worst defensive rebounding teams in the country. Any stats to support this? Unfortunately, I have a feeling this is going to be a thread that we revisit throughout the season. I wonder if JYD has a free week and a reasonable consulting fee. I'd take him at age forty whatever over any of our forwards right now when a shot is released. That's not fair because Jerome was an absolute beast but I also meant it literally.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 23, 2016 0:33:22 GMT -5
And I'm quite certain Jon Wallace and PE Jr would be starters on this team as well.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 23, 2016 0:38:36 GMT -5
And I'm quite certain Jon Wallace and PE Jr would be starters on this team as well. There's a lot of our past I'd try as starters with this team.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 23, 2016 0:45:22 GMT -5
And I'm quite certain Jon Wallace and PE Jr would be starters on this team as well. I'd disagree if it wouldn't devolve into a pointless conversation (though I'd enjoy that conversation). I will say that LJ and Pryor are players and, while this team lacks a true PG, Jon was always more suited for the Georgetown Offense that we're, largely, not running. Also, JYD is the rare dude that still looks to be at fighting weight 20+ years later.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 23, 2016 7:27:21 GMT -5
I would have had the guys running on the beach at after the game. Go BOX OUT FIRST, * THEN * go get the ball. Not nearly enough toughness on this team.
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Post by s4hoyas on Nov 23, 2016 8:34:18 GMT -5
Try this...anybody that plays 20 or more minutes must get 5+ rbs., and 10 or more mns. 3+...otherwise, they swim back to DC.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 23, 2016 8:39:30 GMT -5
At some point getting beaten that bad on the boards needs to become a pride thing. Jon Wallace tweeted it the other day, some of these guys need to be embarrassed by being out-hustled and out-worked the way they were last night. There is enough size and athleticism on the team that they should never get crushed on the boards the way they did last night. No doubt Wisconsin works hard on the glass and is a good rebounding team, but they are not doing it because they are bigger or more athletic than the other teams. They do it with effort and being relentless on the boards. If the focus on rebounding does not change right away it might be even worse against Oklahoma State, because they are very athletic and will kill the Hoyas on the glass if the effort does not improve alot!!!
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Post by prhoya on Nov 23, 2016 9:29:00 GMT -5
At some point getting beaten that bad on the boards needs to become a pride thing. Jon Wallace tweeted it the other day, some of these guys need to be embarrassed by being out-hustled and out-worked the way they were last night. There is enough size and athleticism on the team that they should never get crushed on the boards the way they did last night. No doubt Wisconsin works hard on the glass and is a good rebounding team, but they are not doing it because they are bigger or more athletic than the other teams. They do it with effort and being relentless on the boards. If the focus on rebounding does not change right away it might be even worse against Oklahoma State, because they are very athletic and will kill the Hoyas on the glass if the effort does not improve alot!!! I bet GU has a good rebounding game today. One of the key problems of JT3's teams is inconsistency.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 23, 2016 10:37:23 GMT -5
This is one thing I blame on JT3. Rebounding is entirely based on effort and if the coach prioritizes rebounding then the effort will be there. It can't be a match-up decision, it needs to be a season long emphasis and focus. Copeland has been decent at it but we can't depend on him to earn minutes. Our rebounding from the guard has been lacking this year without DSR. Additionally, neither Agau or Govan are proficient at rebounding out of their area. I was worried this would be a weakness with this team and it has manifested itself. It can be recovered by an emphasis on rebounding, even at the expense of giving up 2 on 1s in transition. Additionally, the return of Derrickson will also help rebounding. Isaac, like the rest of the squad, has been bad at it. He had one game that skews his stats. You mean rebounding the ball is skewing his rebounding stats? Who would've thunk it
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 23, 2016 10:49:12 GMT -5
Isaac, like the rest of the squad, has been bad at it. He had one game that skews his stats. You mean rebounding the ball is skewing his rebounding stats? Who would've thunk it Isaac had 13 rebounds against Maryland. Otherwise, he's 4 rebounds twice, 3 rebounds twice, and he didn't get a rebound against Wisconsin.
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