DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 12, 2016 14:15:25 GMT -5
Have to get this one.
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 12, 2016 14:25:31 GMT -5
Get this win and I think we should be ranked. Need a better rebounding game from our bigs if it's gonna happen though.
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 12, 2016 14:33:29 GMT -5
There's no excuse not to win this game. I get that they are ranked and may be perceived as favorites by some, but that's a team in transition. We have a big edge in experience and motivation. If you saw them play AU, they struggled a bit. They have talented young freshman aside from Melo but they aren't up to speed yet and their big men are not good. Our weaknesses inside won't get exposed until later on.
I think we should win by 10.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 12, 2016 14:49:44 GMT -5
We need to rebound better. Jessie needs to react to the double more quickly, and foul less. We need better movement against the zone.
We absolutely can win this. Hope the fans turn out strong.
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 12, 2016 14:57:46 GMT -5
Get this win and I think we should be ranked. Need a better rebounding game from our bigs if it's gonna happen though. Think we need to go 5 and 1 including wins against both Maryland and Oregon to be ranked.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 12, 2016 15:02:20 GMT -5
Get this win and I think we should be ranked. Need a better rebounding game from our bigs if it's gonna happen though. Think we need to go 5 and 1 including wins against both Maryland and Oregon to be ranked. Yep, we are starting too far down the list to jump up with one good early win. So let's start 6-0. That should do it.
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Post by hoya1984 on Nov 12, 2016 16:40:30 GMT -5
We need to rebound the ball much better. We need to practice against the zone, because the team look awful against it. I was surprise to see how poorly Govan played this game . Guards need to penetrate instead of passing the ball around.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Nov 12, 2016 17:53:06 GMT -5
It's clear after today that we are a much-improved team from last season. I think the coming matchup against Maryland will go a long way toward showing whether we are an NCAA-tournament caliber team. It's not a "must-win," per se, but it's a game that is there for the taking and that I'd like to see us get. I watched a good bit of Maryland's Friday matchup against American, and Maryland is talented but beatable. They'll play substantially better against us, but they aren't the same team as one year ago. We have the players to match up with them, pretty much position-for-position.
Ultimately, this will be a game between two similar teams that are between 20 and 40 in the country. With a difficult set of games coming up in Maui, this is a game that we really would like to have.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 12, 2016 18:18:18 GMT -5
It would be a great way to generate a little attention on a national level.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 12, 2016 21:32:43 GMT -5
I see they are back with the 6:30 starts. Don't like that but what can you do.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 12, 2016 22:41:09 GMT -5
I see they are back with the 6:30 starts. Don't like that but what can you do. Agree. I guess it is better than games at 7 and 9, then missing the first 8 minutes of the 9 o'clock game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 23:02:26 GMT -5
I see they are back with the 6:30 starts. Don't like that but what can you do. Agree. I guess it is better than games at 7 and 9, then missing the first 8 minutes of the 9 o'clock game. But the Wisc/Creighton game after ours on FS1 is slated for 8:30. So they're not solving the problem - just having it happen 30 minutes earlier. At least we're the early game. Of course, if we don't commit a bajillion fouls in this game like we did all of last year, maybe we can be done in closer to two hours than three.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 12, 2016 23:18:29 GMT -5
Agree. I guess it is better than games at 7 and 9, then missing the first 8 minutes of the 9 o'clock game. But the Wisc/Creighton game after ours on FS1 is slated for 8:30. So they're not solving the problem - just having it happen 30 minutes earlier. At least we're the early game. Of course, if we don't commit a bajillion fouls in this game like we did all of last year, maybe we can be done in closer to two hours than three. You would think with games in the same conference they could just have the second game start at the conclusion of the first. I think in the old ESPN days the BE game would transfer to a 9 p.m. game in another conference. I say 7 and 9:15 which would flex back if needed based on first game. 6:30 is too early.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 13, 2016 0:37:55 GMT -5
Fans would complain back in the day that ESPN had BIG East games on at 7 and the games that followed from another conference (Big 10 or Big 8) would not get aired until 20 minutes after it started. Personally I think all networks should schedule a 30 minute window/cushion between each game (a studio post game show or something). You just never know when games will go long.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 13, 2016 0:43:02 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that Maryland scheduled American as a tuneup because Mike Brennan's team runs a style similar to Princeton and the current day Georgetown.
After the Terps' coaches watched the Hoyas on Saturday I can envision them tossing away their gameplans and starting over from scratch.
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Post by grandmahoya on Nov 13, 2016 9:13:46 GMT -5
III believes in Baptism by fire, but if we win and beat Maryland, what a boost for our season! Love the energy, depth and new excitement of this year's team. Pryor is clearly a star and will make everyone around him better. Go Hoyas, Beat the Terps.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 13, 2016 9:58:29 GMT -5
Key to winning this game will be rebounding. Hoyas did not do a good job of it. And one of the things Maryland did well against AU is grab boards. Overall the Hoyas did a lot of what they wanted to do yesterday: Shot great % from all over the court, limited the other team from shooting good %s, Forced a lot of turnovers, got to the free throw line, grabbed a good amount of offensive rebounds, and didn't turn it over more than average. The areas they did poorly in are defensive rebounding as we've all noted and fouling. Now I'm not sure how real the fouling was. It was almost all in the second half and a lot of the calls were of the variety where it seemed like the refs felt sorry for USC and were just giving them calls as a result. I mean only 4 players picked up more than 2 fouls and we only had one person with 2 fouls in the first half.
Of note our kenpom rating went from 30th pregame to 24th post game. Our avg possession length on offense was just 14.5s 34th nationally. Last year we averaged 17.3s on offense 162nd.
Maryland on the other hand dropped from 48th to 54th after their first game. Obviously it's hard to draw conclusions after just one game but Maryland collected 52.8% of their misses against american the 2nd highest rate in the country(after one game). And they only allowed american to get 16.7% of their missed shots back.
On the good side Maryland shot terribly and turned the ball over a lot. Trimble had 4 assists to 4 turnovers while Cowan in his debut had 4 turnovers and no assists.
Unfortunately I don't think we can count on them shooting as poorly as they did against us. Trimble and Nickens were both 0-4 from 3 and Wiley was 0-2. Doubt all 3 go 0fer from the outside again.
Hoyas are a 74% favorite.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 13, 2016 10:09:47 GMT -5
Get this win and I think we should be ranked. Need a better rebounding game from our bigs if it's gonna happen though. Not just the bigs. The guards did a horrible job of getting long rebounds (something DSR was really good at), which is why their guards and wings had like ten offensive boards. There's no reason that a 6'1 guard and a 6'3 guard should ever combine to get four offensive rebounds.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 13, 2016 10:20:57 GMT -5
Get this win and I think we should be ranked. Need a better rebounding game from our bigs if it's gonna happen though. Not just the bigs. The guards did a horrible job of getting long rebounds (something DSR was really good at), which is why their guards and wings had like ten offensive boards. There's no reason that a 6'1 guard and a 6'3 guard should ever combine to get four offensive rebounds. A great point. Perimeter rebounding will always suffer when you are trying to emphasize the transition game, but you have to do a better job judging the right moment to release. Hopefully it will develop, obviously this is all new to us. Starting Moseley is a stark message - you better dig down and play D if you want minutes on this team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 10:44:32 GMT -5
Have to sure up the rebounding and can't let UMD's little guards flop their way to the line constantly... On offense attack and be aggressive going to be hard for them to guard our physical perimeter players
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