hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 30, 2019 16:41:17 GMT -5
Played for DC Premier, so recruiting them might help with that program - though there don't appear to be a ton of DC Premier kids in the '20 or '21 classes that the Hoyas would likely be recruiting.
Makhel Mitchell was ranked in the 200s according to RSCI, about 50 spots lower than Malcolm Wilson, so it's hard to imagine that he'd be a contributor any time soon.
I'd take Makhi if he wants to come, but wouldn't take both, even with 5 scholarships available. We just have too many young guys already at the 4/5 spots, I think it sends the wrong message to our existing players if we bring in two transfers at their positions.
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Post by bigelephant on Dec 30, 2019 16:48:38 GMT -5
At this point I would be very wary of taking both brothers as I'm sure Pat is.
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HOYAPLAYA
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Dec 30, 2019 17:06:14 GMT -5
Since I'm a stats guy and a believer in the saying "the best thing about freshman is that they become sophomores" truly applies to most big men in college, I'll present you with two sets of numbers for those concerned about what they have seen from Wahab so far. (Per 40 Minutes for both players) Full freshman season stats for Player 1: 12.7 pts, 9.2 Rebs, 1.5 Blks, 2.7 TO's with .457 FG% and .719 FT% 13 games freshman stats for Player 2: 13.2 pts, 10.7 Rebs, 2.5 Blks, 2.5 TO's with .486 FG% and .750 FT% Player 1 happens to be our current starting center who performed pretty well in his sophomore year (even without the tutelage of Patrick Ewing) Player 2 happens to be Mr Wahab who will continue to receive on the job training and then have a full offseason of development. This is why I'm more concerned about a big body PF and additional ball handling/security guard help for next year. I think Q, Tim and Malcolm will be just fine manning the middle next year and not as concerned about the slight scoring gap that we may see at the 5. Does anyone really believe that Mac isn't going to score 20+ per game next year? I'm a hard pass on these 2 and hope we look to lock up 1-2 big men in 2021 class. I like cold hard stats too, although the Mitchells do deserve special status given they are local talent. However, Makhi’s per game stats are unimpressive and he hasn’t yet panned out at Maryland. He’s also got baggage with the “package deal” and a manager in his mother that apparently won’t hesitate to air private team matters publicly. #hoyaparanoia I do think, though, the twins deserve a very welcoming opportunity to present THEIR pitch to GEORGETOWN as to why WE should take THEM. Lastly, this is nevertheless exciting to see. Local talent looking to transfer to Georgetown, a one-time 5-star, no less. We’re building momentum as a program. HOYAPLAYA, where do you pull the per-40-minutes stats from? I guess we should listen but i see no reason for the conversation to last very long if it is a required package deal. There will be other local talent available if we continue to perform and I just don't see where the room is for these two to earn much in the way of playing time. Plus, with Govan's offensive output the last 2 years and Yurt scoring so far, i just don't see how we don't start to see higher end big man recruits in '21 and '22 classes giving us a very serious look. Here is my go to stats website for all things college basketball: www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2020.htmlThe link is to the 2019-20 Georgetown page but you can click on the players names for their career stats and if you click on Georgetown you can get the past seasons results and stats with a number of different views. |
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Post by hoyajmw on Dec 30, 2019 18:27:25 GMT -5
Hard, hard and quick pass. Has the last month taught us nothing about the value of team chemistry and the difficulty prima donnas bring with them? I've read about what apparently was going to lead to the suspension of one or both players (damaging enough), but mom's apparent reaction in meeting with Turgeon/leading to the adios decision for the good of all concerned -- in addition to the package demand of having to take both players at UMD to begin with (and maybe continuing now in the transfer destination) -- really should tell us all we need to know about what a problem this would be. And that's before we get to the how good are they REALLY; are they better than what we have at the 4/5 already in the pipeline etc.? As the local radio commercial says (for some roofing company I think), this is the biggest no brainer in the history of the universe...
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Post by mdtd on Dec 30, 2019 20:16:29 GMT -5
Those attacking their production remember that Turgeon is a horrible in-game coach. A Maryland team has never exceeded or even met expectations. Cowan attacked him, too. That team is in chaos. Melo Trimble never improved. Cowan hasn't improved. A team with Trimble, Diamond Stone, Jake Layman, Robert Carter, and Diamond Stone only made the sweet 16 because the leading scorer for Cal Tyrone Wallace got hurt before the tournament and Jabari Bird got hurt right before tip-off. A team with Anthony Cowan, Melo Trimble, Kevin Huerter and Justin Jackson got beat bad by Xavier in the tournament, after only getting a 6 seed. The next season a team with Cowan, Fernando, Jackson, and Huerter missed the tournament. These are NBA level talented guys and he's consistently under performed with them. He's an excellent recruiter, but a bad coach.
If these two are willing to buy into the system and play with the team (meaning at the 4 and not selfishly) then you can take them. I trust coach's judgment here. Whatever decision coach Ewing makes, will be the one that I feel is right. You have talent if you feel you can use it in a way that helps the team.
However, I think it's going to hurt the Mitchell's if they choose to be a package deal. I think they would be bet going separate ways since they would only hurt each other together. Plus, Mahkel might not get adequate playing time at a top tier school with Mahki in front of him. Unless a package deal are on the same level or one is a star and one walks on, I think being a package hurts. It stunts the growth of a player, IMO.
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Post by hsaxon on Dec 31, 2019 20:45:48 GMT -5
Played for DC Premier, so recruiting them might help with that program - though there don't appear to be a ton of DC Premier kids in the '20 or '21 classes that the Hoyas would likely be recruiting. Makhel Mitchell was ranked in the 200s according to RSCI, about 50 spots lower than Malcolm Wilson, so it's hard to imagine that he'd be a contributor any time soon. I'd take Makhi if he wants to come, but wouldn't take both, even with 5 scholarships available. We just have too many young guys already at the 4/5 spots, I think it sends the wrong message to our existing players if we bring in two transfers at their positions. I agree. Seriously consider Makhi but do not take Makhel. If it's a package deal, we must walk away - very quickly. |
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 1, 2020 4:51:43 GMT -5
FWIW, Broadus still very much believes in the brothers and helped set up the visit for Georgetown. I too am skeptical but ultimately trust the staff.
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 1, 2020 7:37:44 GMT -5
FWIW, Broadus still very much believes in the brothers and helped set up the visit for Georgetown. I too am skeptical but ultimately trust the staff. Can either be a wing? |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 1, 2020 7:59:44 GMT -5
How do you take 2 freshman bigs, when you have 3 freshman bigs? Doesn’t make for a happy bench or position/class balance. I would look at the better of the two, at most. The twins need to be split up and blaze their own trails.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 1, 2020 8:01:46 GMT -5
FWIW, Broadus still very much believes in the brothers and helped set up the visit for Georgetown. I too am skeptical but ultimately trust the staff. Can either be a wing? Supposedly, Makhi can play at wing. From Terps newspaper preseason assessment of him: His ability to play on the wing and in the post should be extremely beneficial for the Terps’ offensive spacing. At times in the past, Maryland’s offense has gone stagnant when it had two bigs on the floor and both were in the low post. Mitchell’s ability to play inside and out should lead to great spacing when he is on the floor, especially when he and Smith are playing together. |
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Post by IDenj on Jan 1, 2020 8:29:48 GMT -5
Again, I’d pass on taking both.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 1, 2020 8:31:09 GMT -5
Again, I’d pass on taking both. I agree. The same article mentions that Makhi likes to trash talk and is proud of it. Pass. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 1, 2020 9:52:06 GMT -5
FWIW, Broadus still very much believes in the brothers and helped set up the visit for Georgetown. I too am skeptical but ultimately trust the staff. Not sure this is the ringing endorsement we should be using... |
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 1, 2020 10:50:44 GMT -5
FWIW, Broadus still very much believes in the brothers and helped set up the visit for Georgetown. I too am skeptical but ultimately trust the staff. This is interesting. If Broadus is the one setting up the meeting, Pat should take it. Keep the relationship with Broadus. No commitment other than talking. Exploring. Having Broadus speak positively about GU - especially to contacts in the DMV -- is positive. Strong ties. Doens't mean Hoyas need to take either of the twins. Personal relationships are important in every business, this one is no different. |
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 1, 2020 11:05:49 GMT -5
So what happens if PE offers and they accept after all the negative reactions? Do people line up and support it or does it begin to tear the fabric of the fans trust in PE?
What must Patrick do enroll the fans behind it?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 1, 2020 11:08:42 GMT -5
FWIW, Broadus still very much believes in the brothers and helped set up the visit for Georgetown. I too am skeptical but ultimately trust the staff. This is interesting. If Broadus is the one setting up the meeting, Pat should take it. Keep the relationship with Broadus. No commitment other than talking. Exploring. Having Broadus speak positively about GU - especially to contacts in the DMV -- is positive. Strong ties. Doens't mean Hoyas need to take either of the twins. Personal relationships are important in every business, this one is no different. I must’ve missed all the great DMV-area recruits Broadus has helped deliver to the Hoyas lately. |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 1, 2020 11:19:48 GMT -5
When would they be able to play? Did I hear correctly that one of them is a 5 star? We need help now. Injuries, or the threat of injuries, will doom us. Psychologically, we also seem to be playing scared of getting into foul trouble.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 1, 2020 13:37:38 GMT -5
We lost four athletes. We shouldn’t replace them with two out of shape bigs.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 1, 2020 14:03:06 GMT -5
We lost four athletes. We shouldn’t replace them with two out of shape bigs. This far into the season and they are out of shape? |
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 1, 2020 14:48:48 GMT -5
FWIW, Broadus still very much believes in the brothers and helped set up the visit for Georgetown. I too am skeptical but ultimately trust the staff. Can either be a wing? Wahab is more likely to be a wing than either of these kids. |
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