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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 30, 2017 15:23:53 GMT -5
We should have well over 1000 shots available next year (not exact, but close to it when looking at the departed Peak & Pryor (about 800 between them) and then throw in all other departed players)). If it is shots he wants, then shots he shall have. I am hoping he sees an LSU team that has been awful the past few years despite tons of talent and a disinterested fan base who cares more about other sports.
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Post by aggypryd on May 30, 2017 15:52:32 GMT -5
If Tremont chooses LSU then we know that it was about JT3. There is no chance of winning in the SEC with that roster... No, but there's a chance to start for four years and enjoy life on a sports focused campus. I could definitely see the attraction of coming down here, but I still hope he chooses the Hoyas.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 30, 2017 15:55:01 GMT -5
I am hoping he sees an LSU team that has been awful the past few years despite tons of talent and a disinterested fan base who cares more about other sports. LSU averaged 7,019 per game last season. That's probably as good as can be expected with a team that was 1-8 in conference play.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 30, 2017 16:49:01 GMT -5
Maybe, they will hire his dad. Baton Rouge is a long away to see your kid play.
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 30, 2017 16:55:53 GMT -5
If this report is true and LSU and SMU( Stanbury) are in the final mix, then the dye is cast and we on this board should move on. I was one of those who thought this kid could be a transformative player for the Hoyas. I still believe he has that kind of talent,but I no longer believe that he could be that transformative player for the Hoyas. To do that he would have to be a Hoya past this year and next year. I say it again his kid thinks of himself as a one and done talent in the likes of Kyrie Irving. He knows that LSU will be a seller dweller for next year in the SEC and that SMU even with the incoming talent won't win their conference,but he is still willing to go there? No, there is probably something on the table that the Hoyas can not match. In this day and time I can't fault a young man whose stated purpose for training so hard to hone his talents was to make sure his mom and dad could live a better life, to take he path that made that reality a present tense rather than something in the future.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 30, 2017 17:08:57 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but I almost feel like I have to scrub up after reading this thread. The whole process with Waters, at least on this board, has ungotten unseemly.
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Post by DallasHoya on May 30, 2017 17:11:17 GMT -5
Seems like anywhere but Georgetown to me.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on May 30, 2017 17:50:58 GMT -5
I think this board is a little hard headed and this includes me as well! PE stated that he was gonna recruit players that wanted to come to Georgetown and when Waters wanted out PE gave him his out and moved on, its that simple cut and dry! PE went after Trey Dickerson, Blair and Alstork, we got two out of three so lets look at the guards we got and make them better because we really have no choice at this moment.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 30, 2017 17:57:58 GMT -5
I think this board is a little hard headed and this includes me as well! PE stated that he was gonna recruit players that wanted to come to Georgetown and when Waters wanted out PE gave him his out and moved on, its that simple cut and dry! PE went after Trey Dickerson, Blair and Alstork, we got two out of three so lets look at the guards we got and make them better because we really have no choice at this moment. I concur, let's move on from Waters. I'm glad Coach PE was able to go on with other options at this point.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 30, 2017 18:54:42 GMT -5
Glad to see that HoyaTalk is saving the staff time by telling them what the staff is thinking, when it is time to move on, etc.!
Since Patrick made a point to start his tenure by flying up to Connecticut, I tend to doubt he "moved on" - but he knows enough to cover his bases.
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Post by dchoya72 on May 30, 2017 19:21:15 GMT -5
We don't know until it's done. LSU is a pretry good school and basketball culture, Remember Pete Maravich, Shaq, and others including the 76ers pick. They operate in the SEC which is doing pretty good these days. The young man is doing his due diligence. I'll be glad when it's over, the Kenner league will start in five weeks!
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Post by bamahoya11 on May 30, 2017 19:34:42 GMT -5
It doesn't entirely shock me to see LSU in the mix. I certainly don't have any positive feelings toward the school, but the problems with their basketball program have never involved recruiting. They had the top college player in the country a couple years ago and still couldn't make the tournament. But LSU is a great school from a "lifestyle" perspective (warm weather, close to New Orleans, plenty of parties, etc.), and I have no doubt that their facilities are impressive, given the amount of money that's spent on the football program. At football schools, all those resources tend to trickle down to basketball in a pretty big way. Plus, if you want to look at turning around a program, the SEC just isn't that good. Other than Florida and Kentucky, the rest of the league is pretty mediocre. Under new leadership, it's not hard to imagine LSU being right back in the mix, if not next year then in 2-3 years.
All that being said, I have no idea what Waters will do. Just looking at the situation from the outside, I think he tended to over-estimate his desirability when he de-committed. Some others have pointed this out. Frankly, I think he expected all the big names to come calling once he walked away from Georgetown -- folks like Kansas, and Duke, and Kentucky, and they just didn't. There are probably a lot of reasons for that. For one, a lot of teams were already essentially filled up, and it's hard to make a change this late in the game. I also think the fact that he walked away while JTIII was still the coach probably also affected his desirability at some level. Coaches want kids who deal well with adversity, and whatever you think of Tremont's situation, he didn't really demonstrate much interest in confronting adversity and dealing with it. Sure, some schools will gladly take him, but I can certainly see some programs being a bit suspicious of the circumstances under which he chose to walk away. Either way, now that he knows the pool, I think he's looking for the best option.
Maybe that will still be us. We can make a compelling case, given our history, proximity to his home (at least compared to LSU), and the fact that we may well run an offense next year that would showcase his skillset. But to be honest, I don't really expect him to come here, and I don't really care as much as I thought I might. I figured he was gone after he stepped away, and I never really believed he was all that interested in coming back. I would love to see him in a Hoya uniform come fall because I think he could be a great player for us, but I don't expect to see it happen.
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Post by dreamhoya on May 30, 2017 20:15:07 GMT -5
We don't know until it's done. LSU is a pretry good school and basketball culture, Remember Pete Maravich, Shaq, and others including the 76ers pick. They operate in the SEC which is doing pretty good these days. The young man is doing his due diligence. I'll be glad when it's over, the Kenner league will start in five weeks! A few keep saying that he's doing his due diligence and taking his time. It's not that simple. It just isn't in this case.
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Post by s4hoyas on May 30, 2017 20:47:05 GMT -5
At this point, I'm not even sure that a schollie to Georgetown is still an option...if it is, there's no way in the world he chooses LSU over Georgetown based on his and his dad's alleged priorities...so, if he commits to LSU on his visit, it may be that its his only choice at this point based on the nature of his recruitment...if I'm wrong and he doesn't commit, and he then commits to Georgetown, I'll be happy to apologize for misreading the situation...
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Post by hoyaboya on May 30, 2017 22:06:54 GMT -5
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Post by dchoya72 on May 30, 2017 22:28:36 GMT -5
Somehow, I think he'll give the Hoyas the shot. It smdepends on the environment. He's already acknowledged that Georgetown is a high quality university. Baton Rouge US A Nice town, BUT It Doesn't Compare To Washington, DC. LSU has spawned, developed, some great players but so has GU.If he wants to be close to Team Waters, unless his family is going to move to Baton Rouge, DC is a prime location. There's no certainty, on the team, except Patrick Ewing is going to build a winner, and DC is a great city and much closer to Connecticut than Baton Rouge. One thing Baton Rouge has on DC is Cajun Louisiana food! But that's it! I'm bored which is why I jumed on this board, and I want to see something exciting happen for Georgetown and DC.and ...it has already begun to work out that way...a renewed beginning!
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Post by swhoya on May 31, 2017 6:16:46 GMT -5
Interesting. People have insinuated that his dad is a problem but I don't see that here at all. Maybe you can take issue with some of how he pushes his son, but that's about it.
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Post by hoyas315 on May 31, 2017 8:18:41 GMT -5
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Post by TC on May 31, 2017 8:26:39 GMT -5
At this point, I'm not even sure that a schollie to Georgetown is still an option...if it is, there's no way in the world he chooses LSU over Georgetown based on his and his dad's alleged priorities...so, if he commits to LSU on his visit, it may be that its his only choice at this point based on the nature of his recruitment...if I'm wrong and he doesn't commit, and he then commits to Georgetown, I'll be happy to apologize for misreading the situation... Right. We're recruiting and have actionable scholarships for completely unranked kids like Blair, we have two - maybe three unused scholarships, we haven't added a 4* recruit in two years, we barely have enough guys to field a team, but we don't have a scholarship offer for Waters - the best player out there at a position we absolutely have been desperate for for years? I think at this point we'd use two or three scholarships on Waters if we could, if it took a package deal with one of his high school teammates, I'm pretty sure we'd do it. The idea that we - at the point we're at right now - are turning are noses up at a kid who by all means is qualified and doesn't seem to have any issues is insane.
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Post by s4hoyas on May 31, 2017 9:35:02 GMT -5
It appears that a great many schools that were recruiting him have backed off...must be universal insanity. You get no argument from me that we have a major need for him and that he'd be a great fit...but there could be issues surrounding his recruitment that have caused things to get this way...issues that have caused many to say thanks but no thanks...I'm reading the tea leaves, and what has been said or alluded to by others...now, there's always the possibility that committing to LSU, no matter what they tell him, isn't what he and his Dad really want...and that interest by both sides gets reunited, and I hope that happens but I think the odds are slim.
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