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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 25, 2017 14:10:35 GMT -5
LSU?...I don't know that he's ever even mentioned them, let alone visited them...bad location, bad academics, bad basketball...if that happens something ain't right so I'm having a hard time believing it... Not sure why some folks get wrapped up in regards when recruits blurt out about academics. It just seems like the natural slogan that is being tossed around by recruits. If he does decide to go to LSU, he probably thinks this is his best route in going to the NBA and Will Wade can make it happen for him.
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Post by RBHoya on May 25, 2017 14:21:54 GMT -5
Lol, you were still buying into the "academics" stuff even when the other two schools on the list were UConn and Western Kentucky? IMHO, never buy "academics" as a factor in a major recruitment. I'd say in about 98% of players it's just lip service. There are a small handful who do care, but in general kids in the top 150 envision themselves making money by playing ball, and they want to go somewhere where there's a coach who will ready them. Ac Except that this kid signed a LOI with us based on those things when he could have gone to Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Duke, or UCONN - those were the other hats on the table in October. He signed with us coming off a year where we didn't make the tournament. So what was the selling point that brought him to Georgetown if it wasn't academics and buying into a program that supposedly had family and stability, and buying into a degree that's more valuable once the basketball is deflated? The program and the fans that made him question the family/stability part - the onus is on Georgetown on showing him that the program still represents those things. I don't think this kid or his family needs to prove anything to us. Lot of assumptions here... I'm under the impression that he committed largely because he and his family were megafans of AI, because they liked the Thompsons, were impressed by the facility and their MM visit in general, and because we sold him on being the point man for a highly regarded high major team who would be running the type of offense that he wanted and competing on the highest level. It's crazy to think about it now but there were a LOT of positive vibes around the program back when he committed. For the most part everyone thought the previous year (15-16) would be a blip. We had just opened a gorgeous new facility. The reigning national champion was from the Big East and it was still assumed that we'd be regaining our rightful place atop the conference again soon. JTIII was talking about what he'd learned from the prior year and how we'd play a more uptempo style and guys like LJ Peak, Isaac Copeland, and Jessie Govan were going to be the ones to get us there. On the whole, a pretty compelling spot for a point guard, especially one who grew up wearing Georgetown #3 jerseys. Obviously it all fell apart in the last 9 months, but there were pretty good basketball reasons to come here when he committed. I do not think academics was the primary driver, though it was probably a nice bonus. I think that's true for a lot of the guys we get, for example Jagan Mosley was the same way. I also do not think he had committable offers from Duke, KU, UK etc. either. There have been rumblings that K, Calipari and others were turned off by some things not related to his game and decided to steer clear. This is not a statement of fact or any kind of a judgment about Waters or his family, it's just what's been buzzed about around the internet. I think the circumstantial evidence backs it up though--Coach K took a commit from an unknown guard named Jordan Goldwire in the late period, whose next best offer was Eastern Kentucky. Waters was sitting there on a platter for him and he did not even sniff around.
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Post by RBHoya on May 25, 2017 14:34:31 GMT -5
RB...always enjoy what you have to say...I'm not naive enough to think that when kids say that "academics" are important to them, it actually turns out to be a big factor...much more often than not, if not near universally, it turns out to be lip service and irrelevant to their final choice...I know that they all prioritize the "League"...however, Tremont is a 4.0 honor student, and he and his father have repeatedly said that academics would be 50% of their decision and that they have to give major emphasis to "life after basketball"...having said that, will I be shocked if he chooses what might be perceived as a very non academic school?...absolutely not..I'm just trying to take them at their word for now, give them the benefit of the doubt...I've been disappointed by these situations many more times than rewarded, but I'm clinging to hope... All fair s4, unfortunately I think this recruitment may not be what we thought or hoped it was at first. The "academics" storyline is always appealing to Georgetown fans (as well as those at other comparable academic schools) because it puffs up the alumni base and makes it easy for us to congratulate ourselves for taking bright, well-rounded kids. We can pat ourselves on the back for recruiting true student athletes and sneer at schools like Kentucky or Syracuse that don't. So there's a sort of bias baked into that narrative. But it was still plausible even through his decommitment. But once he was back on the market and started looking at places like Western Kentucky and you started to hear some rumblings about the behind-the-scenes stuff happening, I think the idea that Tremont was a "special kid" started to fade and the idea that he's similar to other Top 50 kids every year who are trying to get into and out of college as quickly as possible and cash in on a pro contract started to seem a lot more likely. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, by the way. But it's also not really going to give Georgetown any kind of competitive advantage.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 27, 2017 10:59:00 GMT -5
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Post by saxa69 on May 27, 2017 17:00:43 GMT -5
LSU record last season Overall: 10 - 21 SEC: 2 - 16 Home: 8 - 8 Away: 1 - 10 Neutral: 1 - 3
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Post by saxa69 on May 27, 2017 17:02:53 GMT -5
LSU?...I don't know that he's ever even mentioned them, let alone visited them...bad location, bad academics, bad basketball...if that happens something ain't right so I'm having a hard time believing it... Not sure why some folks get wrapped up in regards when recruits blurt out about academics. It just seems like the natural slogan that is being tossed around by recruits. If he does decide to go to LSU, he probably thinks this is his best route in going to the NBA and Will Wade can make it happen for him. LSU last season: Overall: 10 - 21 SEC: 2 - 16 Home: 8 - 8 Away: 1 - 10 Neutral: 1 - 3
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Post by hoyaboya on May 29, 2017 11:57:14 GMT -5
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Post by practice on May 30, 2017 10:18:52 GMT -5
So much for a decision by the end of Memorial Day weekend! I'd still be excited if he somehow decides to pick Georgetown ... but no longer holding my breath. Not sure if there's been a recruit in the last 10 years who's caused this much disruption, speculation and angst. Hope he's worth it!
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Post by hoyazeke on May 30, 2017 10:51:49 GMT -5
If Tremont chooses LSU then we know that it was about JT3. There is no chance of winning in the SEC with that roster...
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Post by hoyas315 on May 30, 2017 12:46:02 GMT -5
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Post by lucky on May 30, 2017 12:46:39 GMT -5
Evan DanielsVerified account @evandaniels · 30s30 seconds ago
Four-star 2017 point guard Tremont Waters will start an official visit at LSU tomorrow, per a source
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Post by beenaround on May 30, 2017 13:28:48 GMT -5
THis thread is dangerous for my mental health. I am an addict. Do not want to open..but cannot stop.
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Post by Elvado on May 30, 2017 13:36:55 GMT -5
Evan DanielsVerified account @evandaniels · 30s30 seconds ago Four-star 2017 point guard Tremont Waters will start an official visit at LSU tomorrow, per a source He will sign and that will be that.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 30, 2017 14:10:07 GMT -5
Well, time for coach Ewing to look elsewhere.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 30, 2017 14:10:50 GMT -5
Unless he doesn't. And then it isn't.🤔
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 14:15:57 GMT -5
As long as it's not Creighton, I'm good.
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Post by dchoya72 on May 30, 2017 14:30:49 GMT -5
Coach Could Invite Him Back For An official, If He Has Taken One here...Otherwise An Unofficial And coincidentally, Mr. A.I. shows up, and close the deal. Otherwise he makes a decision and if it's not us, we move on...there's always another bus coming!
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Post by dchoya72 on May 30, 2017 14:34:00 GMT -5
Coach could invite him back for an official, If he hasn't taken one here...Otherwise an ynofficial visit,and coincidentally, Mr. A.I. shows up, and they close the deal. Otherwise he makes a decision and if it's not us, we move on...there's always another bus coming!
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Post by bostonfan on May 30, 2017 15:07:10 GMT -5
Evan DanielsVerified account @evandaniels · 30s30 seconds ago Four-star 2017 point guard Tremont Waters will start an official visit at LSU tomorrow, per a source If he does decide to commit to LSU I think it just shows that he had lost all interest in Georgetown once he de-commited and was just being polite taking Coach Ewing's visit. LSU was not ever on the radar and it seems like he is now realizes that he doesn't have many good options left and is going to take what he can get. I hope it is not the case and he does become a Hoya, but it has been a really strange recruiting process for the last few months!!!
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 30, 2017 15:20:26 GMT -5
I can't see him choosing LSU over us, but strange things do happen. For example, I was supposed to have moved on.
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