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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 24, 2016 13:20:34 GMT -5
Waters is going to be a great asset to have when the shot clock is winding down. Kid is amazing. Can't wait for him to suit up. We just need the right pieces to surround him with.
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Post by prhoya on Oct 24, 2016 15:31:25 GMT -5
Wow! And those dunks! His head is almost at the rim. The 360 wins the Midnight Madness dunk contest.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 24, 2016 19:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasia on Oct 25, 2016 17:22:40 GMT -5
WOW this is great news, can't wait to see these young man in action..back to back 2017 commits..has this happened recently with JT3? Trying to get back in time watch first game..
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Post by dense on Oct 27, 2016 2:37:53 GMT -5
ok that 3rd video got me hype Yaboy. Like bruh, really?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 27, 2016 21:40:19 GMT -5
Hearing the other players in the 2017 class talk about him. they are amazed by him. He is getting that CP3/Curry comp thrown around him. if he was 6'3 instead of 5'11 probably would be a top 10 player ranking wise. Yeah, I mentioned earlier in my ask of the gurus whether he had a weakness other than size, and it got interpreted differently than I meant. I think guard size is VASTLY overrated in college (I think it is barely relevant until the NBA), but we know most of these rankings are based at least partially if not primarily on NBA potential. My point was this -- it looks like he has athleticism, quickness, the handle, the shot, the work ethic, the passing vision, defensive effort, bbiq... I know we've had higher ranked prospects, but I think that if the rankings were just based on college play, he'd be so much higher than #37. When I compare him to someone like Copeland -- who was ranked a bit higher -- my impression is that he's a better college recruit. So much of Copeland's ranking is tied up in his size and length. I know why he was ranked there -- he has NBA size, a skillset that is skilled for that NBA size and enough athleticism that he's a prospect. But he's got some deficiencies to his game -- mindset, handle, any willingness to focus and be in the right place on defense. So my question for the gurus is this: am I interpreting this right? Is this kid a complete stud and he's ranked in the "good but with some weaknesses" range of rankings basically because he's short and the NBA potential is therefore lower? Or am I overreacting to cultivated highlight videos and there are some real weaknesses like we saw with, say, DSR (athleticism and quickness), etc. Maybe another way to ask is: is he better than Chris Wright?
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Post by 95hoya on Oct 27, 2016 22:13:31 GMT -5
Hard to compare a guard to a forward. Guards tend to be more polished. They have worked on the same skills a lot longer and haven't gone through growth spurts and body changes like taller players. If Copeland was more polished in certain areas, he would have ranked even higher and be in the NBA right now.
Rankings don't reflect the floor of a player. Waters does have a higher floor than some guys ranked around him due to the skill set he brings to his position. Highlight videos are for the fans, but they don't tell much. Waters' production is every reason to get excited.
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Post by 95hoya on Oct 27, 2016 22:20:12 GMT -5
UMD was a struggling program until Melo Trimble arrived and he changed everything for them. That lack of recruitment bothered me due to a lot of family members rooting for that program. I feel like looking back, we will point to the day Waters committed as our turning point.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 27, 2016 23:58:23 GMT -5
Our turning point should begin THIS season if everyone live up to their capabilities.
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Post by CaliHoya on Oct 28, 2016 0:08:25 GMT -5
Random aside, but just realized that Antwan Walker turns 18 only in November, while Tremont Waters is already 18 (birthday is in January).
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Post by SaxaCD on Oct 28, 2016 0:12:09 GMT -5
Our turning point should begin THIS season if everyone live up to their capabilities. absolutely.
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Post by dense on Oct 28, 2016 4:00:16 GMT -5
Hearing the other players in the 2017 class talk about him. they are amazed by him. He is getting that CP3/Curry comp thrown around him. if he was 6'3 instead of 5'11 probably would be a top 10 player ranking wise. Yeah, I mentioned earlier in my ask of the gurus whether he had a weakness other than size, and it got interpreted differently than I meant. I think guard size is VASTLY overrated in college (I think it is barely relevant until the NBA), but we know most of these rankings are based at least partially if not primarily on NBA potential. My point was this -- it looks like he has athleticism, quickness, the handle, the shot, the work ethic, the passing vision, defensive effort, bbiq... I know we've had higher ranked prospects, but I think that if the rankings were just based on college play, he'd be so much higher than #37. When I compare him to someone like Copeland -- who was ranked a bit higher -- my impression is that he's a better college recruit. So much of Copeland's ranking is tied up in his size and length. I know why he was ranked there -- he has NBA size, a skillset that is skilled for that NBA size and enough athleticism that he's a prospect. But he's got some deficiencies to his game -- mindset, handle, any willingness to focus and be in the right place on defense. So my question for the gurus is this: am I interpreting this right? Is this kid a complete stud and he's ranked in the "good but with some weaknesses" range of rankings basically because he's short and the NBA potential is therefore lower? Or am I overreacting to cultivated highlight videos and there are some real weaknesses like we saw with, say, DSR (athleticism and quickness), etc. Maybe another way to ask is: is he better than Chris Wright? No I do not think you are overreacting. The one negative thing I see about him is shot selection at times because he kind of dominates the ball but like I said the other guys seem to think his skills are otherwordly. So I have not seen him play but a few films now but I expect him to be starting day 1 but I dont know how that will mesh with the rest of that team because we do not know who will be on it.
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Post by CaliHoya on Oct 29, 2016 0:06:59 GMT -5
Can someone point me to the "otherworldly" quotes? Just curious to see the specifics.
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Post by dense on Oct 29, 2016 5:33:31 GMT -5
Can someone point me to the "otherworldly" quotes? Just curious to see the specifics. I just went thru Twitter of some players that made comments.
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