Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Mar 18, 2016 20:25:30 GMT -5
Stupid T by Huggins
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hoyajinx
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 18, 2016 20:34:09 GMT -5
Thomas Walkup is playing fearless basketball. It's pretty impressive.
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Buckets
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Post by Buckets on Mar 18, 2016 20:34:47 GMT -5
Wallace, Starks, and Wright were undersized combo guards forced to learn point skills.
Wallace needed Sapp to bring the ball up through his senior year and was always just an undersized lights out shooting guard.
Starks was 49 Assists / 42 turnovers as a sophomore because he was an incompetent passer, Clark was the closest thing to a true point Starks sophomore year.
Wright learned pretty quickly, he was an undersized combo but learned to be a scoring point by his sophomore year. Still had the occasional bull in a china shop move, though.
But Wrights recruitment was a decade ago. Point guards are totally nonessential at the NBA level where you have forwards who can do all that stuff, but those guys (e.g. Otto and much better) don't stay in college long. So it helps to grab a good point guard, which our offense really hurts in recruiting.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 18, 2016 20:39:55 GMT -5
Sorry to prove you and JUSTin wrong with actual facts and statistics not John Givony's opinion.. Apologies... No need to apologize. Were those GU stats? You're just wrong, give it a rest man. Chris Wright is a professional basketball player and a PG. just cause he can also score doesn't make him any less of a PG, as his career stats/play would indicate. McDs PG, a one-man press break (even against Pitinos best defensive teams), highest assist total under III to that point, and was the best PG in the NBDL...what more do u need to hear for you to admit you just have no idea what you're talking about. |
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 18, 2016 20:54:03 GMT -5
You're simply wrong. Admit it. No one on here agrees with you that Wright was not recruited and used as a "traditional PG" (whatever the hell that means) by JT3. No one. Is there a poll? LOL! Polls are reserved for issues that are actually up for debate.. |
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 18, 2016 20:55:35 GMT -5
Anyone have a link to a site that keeps a running tab of records in the tournament by conference. It must be out there, but cant find it - and too lazy to work my way through the bracket to figure it out. I know the Big East is 3-1, working on 4-1!
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 18, 2016 20:58:10 GMT -5
Wallace, Starks, and Wright were undersized combo guards forced to learn point skills. Wallace needed Sapp to bring the ball up through his senior year and was always just an undersized lights out shooting guard. Starks was 49 Assists / 42 turnovers as a sophomore because he was an incompetent passer, Clark was the closest thing to a true point Starks sophomore year. Wright learned pretty quickly, he was an undersized combo but learned to be a scoring point by his sophomore year. Still had the occasional bull in a china shop move, though. But Wrights recruitment was a decade ago. Point guards are totally nonessential at the NBA level where you have forwards who can do all that stuff, but those guys (e.g. Otto and much better) don't stay in college long. So it helps to grab a good point guard, which our offense really hurts in recruiting. Stop. Markel played PG from the time he was 12, as did Chris. By your logic, every PG is a basketball player that, at one point, had to learn PG skills. Smh how far back are you gonna go? |
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 18, 2016 21:13:06 GMT -5
Maryland looking like they will get Hawaii and Cuse gets MTSU for trips to the Sweet 16... wow lol... sigh I think Hawaii gets Maryland for its trip. |
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 18, 2016 21:16:12 GMT -5
Higher seeds vs Lower Seed so far... 11-11.... That really pretty much lines up with what most people have been saying this year -- no great teams = lots of surprises in the tournament. This year is as close to parity as I've ever seen, and the new rules seem to be interpreted differently by every ref, so you can't really even adjust, making games even more random. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 18, 2016 21:36:45 GMT -5
This tournament is a really great example of how much the tournament is a crap shoot as a one-game elimination tournament. When you consider that the quality of lower seeds has improved, all the teams are generally playing in unfamiliar environments, and three point shooting has become so dominant, it's not hard to see how the upsets happen, including in some of our upsets.
The increase in three point shooting is, in my mind, one of the main reasons why these upsets happen. Teams today shoot a lot more threes than ever (and Curry's success is only going to increase that - my friend who officiates middle school and high school games has noted that even big guys are consistently trying to shoot threes now). And, not only do they shoot more threes, but they are getting a lot better at them than previous generations.
This is a discussion for another thread, but I firmly believe that the three point line needs to be moved out again to restore some balance to the college game. There are too many guys who shoot threes at too high a percentage. It basically makes the game a layup or three type of game, which lacks balance.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2016 21:41:51 GMT -5
No need to apologize. Were those GU stats? You're just wrong, give it a rest man. Chris Wright is a professional basketball player and a PG. just cause he can also score doesn't make him any less of a PG, as his career stats/play would indicate. McDs PG, a one-man press break (even against Pitinos best defensive teams), highest assist total under III to that point, and was the best PG in the NBDL...what more do u need to hear for you to admit you just have no idea what you're talking about. Wright was a dribble penetrate and score or kick point guard. People complained at the time that he wasn't running the Princeton but playing more like a traditional dribble penetration point. In fact eventually we just accommodates him and went away from Princeton offense to Princeton principles with him being the point guard with the ball in his hands most of the time. Then the negative people started complaining that he was dribbling too much and dribble penetrating too much like a typical point guard. Under the current rules Wright would have dominated because nobody could stop his dribble penetrating without letting him score or fouling him. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 18, 2016 21:44:59 GMT -5
You're just wrong, give it a rest man. Chris Wright is a professional basketball player and a PG. just cause he can also score doesn't make him any less of a PG, as his career stats/play would indicate. McDs PG, a one-man press break (even against Pitinos best defensive teams), highest assist total under III to that point, and was the best PG in the NBDL...what more do u need to hear for you to admit you just have no idea what you're talking about. Wright was a dribble penetrate and score or kick point guard. People complained at the time that he wasn't running the Princeton but playing more like a traditional dribble penetration point. In fact eventually we just accommodates him and went away from Princeton offense to Princeton principles with him being the point guard with the ball in his hands most of the time. Then the negative people started complaining that he was dribbling too much and dribble penetrating too much like a typical point guard. Under the current rules Wright would have dominated because nobody could stop his dribble penetrating without letting him score or fouling him. In 2011, we did not use the Princeton offense substantially. We largely used a screen based offense to get Wright and Freeman shots, and it worked fairly well. |
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 18, 2016 21:46:49 GMT -5
You're just wrong, give it a rest man. Chris Wright is a professional basketball player and a PG. just cause he can also score doesn't make him any less of a PG, as his career stats/play would indicate. McDs PG, a one-man press break (even against Pitinos best defensive teams), highest assist total under III to that point, and was the best PG in the NBDL...what more do u need to hear for you to admit you just have no idea what you're talking about. Wright was a dribble penetrate and score or kick point guard. People complained at the time that he wasn't running the Princeton but playing more like a traditional dribble penetration point. In fact eventually we just accommodates him and went away from Princeton offense to Princeton principles with him being the point guard with the ball in his hands most of the time. Then the negative people started complaining that he was dribbling too much and dribble penetrating too much like a typical point guard. Under the current rules Wright would have dominated because nobody could stop his dribble penetrating without letting him score or fouling him. Thank you |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2016 21:48:28 GMT -5
This tournament is a really great example of how much the tournament is a crap shoot as a one-game elimination tournament. When you consider that the quality of lower seeds has improved, all the teams are generally playing in unfamiliar environments, and three point shooting has become so dominant, it's not hard to see how the upsets happen, including in some of our upsets. The increase in three point shooting is, in my mind, one of the main reasons why these upsets happen. Teams today shoot a lot more threes than ever (and Curry's success is only going to increase that - my friend who officiates middle school and high school games has noted that even big guys are consistently trying to shoot threes now). And, not only do they shoot more threes, but they are getting a lot better at them than previous generations. This is a discussion for another thread, but I firmly believe that the three point line needs to be moved out again to restore some balance to the college game. There are too many guys who shoot threes at too high a percentage. It basically makes the game a layup or three type of game, which lacks balance. It's partly that (emphasis on 3 pt skills development) but the new rules have made it impossible to play man to man in your face defense. The team with superior size, talent and athleticism in the past could rely on their consistent shutdown defense to dominate less talented teams. But now you can no longer stop dribble penetration or play tight defense on the 3. So if you combine dribble penetration with kicking to 3 pt shooters you basically are getting wide open 3 pt looks. If you defend too aggressive, like peak then you foul out. So basically no one can play defense and then it just comes down to who can outscore who and if you have hot 3pt shooting on any given night you can easily take down a much more talented team. |
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hoya95
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 18, 2016 21:50:36 GMT -5
Xavier's letting Weber State get very comfortable and are letting them hang around. Be careful.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2016 21:52:28 GMT -5
Xavier's letting Weber State get very comfortable and are letting them hang around. Be careful. They were up by 20 five minutes ago when I switched to the Texas uni game |
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hoya95
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 18, 2016 21:54:01 GMT -5
Xavier's letting Weber State get very comfortable and are letting them hang around. Be careful. They were up by 20 five minutes ago when I switched to the Texas uni game It's a seven point game now. Not much defense being played. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2016 23:19:54 GMT -5
#Done Deal Shaka Smart
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 18, 2016 23:20:33 GMT -5
Northern Iowa beat Texas with a last minute half court shot. So, the beloved Shaka Smart goes down in the first round...losing to a double digit seed.
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 18, 2016 23:21:58 GMT -5
When was the last time a half court heave won a tournament game? It must have happened, but I don't remember it. Wow. Think I woke the neighbors with that one.
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