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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 25, 2016 13:17:25 GMT -5
Is my math right that if Seton Hall loses to Providence tonight we can still capture third place in the Big East if we win the last 3? It will never happen but just goes to show you what a mess of mediocrity most of the Big East is outside of Villanova and Xavier.
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Post by Filo on Feb 25, 2016 13:25:56 GMT -5
Is my math right that if Seton Hall loses to Providence tonight we can still capture third place in the Big East if we win the last 3? It will never happen but just goes to show you what a mess of mediocrity most of the Big East is outside of Villanova and Xavier. Is the mediocrity limited to the Big East, though? Not seeing too much great basketball being played anywhere this year. I don't think any of the major conferences are particularly deep or impressive...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 25, 2016 13:46:25 GMT -5
One positive about Xavier winning is it increases their likelihood of getting a 1 seed, assuming they win out and don't have a bad BET loss. A ton of pressure on X and Nova to carry the torch a long way in March for this conference. Another round of early flamouts for the NBE (particularly when one of the teams was ranked #1 for a portion of the season) makes it a lot harder to get people around the nation to take us seriously. Hmmm - wonder who's missing in this effort? Ideally, I think we want Villanova and Xavier to get 1 seeds because that's the closest you can come to a near-certain bye in the first round. Basically if they both get 1 seeds they really just need to win one tougher game to get to the Sweet 16. Of course, I would be happy if we served as a spoiler and beat Villanova on March 5 and/or beat Xavier or Villanova at the Big East tournament.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 25, 2016 14:03:49 GMT -5
Is my math right that if Seton Hall loses to Providence tonight we can still capture third place in the Big East if we win the last 3? It will never happen but just goes to show you what a mess of mediocrity most of the Big East is outside of Villanova and Xavier. Seton Hall would need to lose 4 straight Providence would need to lose 2 of 3 after winning tonight (games after tonight include SJU and DePaul) Creighton would have to lose at least one of its remaining 3 games Hoyas would need to win 3 straight But yes, it is still possible.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 25, 2016 14:09:56 GMT -5
Is my math right that if Seton Hall loses to Providence tonight we can still capture third place in the Big East if we win the last 3? It will never happen but just goes to show you what a mess of mediocrity most of the Big East is outside of Villanova and Xavier. Is the mediocrity limited to the Big East, though? Not seeing too much great basketball being played anywhere this year. I don't think any of the major conferences are particularly deep or impressive... No, it's not limited to the BE. No one team or conference seems superlative. And, in any event, it's really hard to tell how good the BE is. Villanova hasn't beaten any top-tier teams outside the conference, so who knows, but the only games they've lost all year were to excellent teams (with one loss to Provy), so there's that. Xavier beat a bunch of good (Mich, USC, Dayton) teams but no real top teams from major conferences) OOC. Both basically steam-rolled the BE. So, there's reason to question both teams in terms of true title aspirations, but there's not really any reason to think they should lose to a 7-10 seed in the second round. Not saying they won't, but they've beaten those sorts of teams very consistently all year. And as for the "second tier" BE teams, well, they've all lost to Nova and Xavier consistently and then beat up on each other. So, they could still be quite good if it turns out Nova and/or X are. Butler, for example, beat a good Purdue team and decent Cinci and Temple teams (losing only to a very good Miami team) OOC. They've lost eight games in conference, but six are to Nova, X, and Provy. No shame there. Provy could easily be beat if Bentil and/or Dunn have an off day or get Hibberted in early round. But the tournament is full of teams that get to the later rounds on the backs of two excellent players. I wouldn't be shocked if either lose in the first round or goes to the Sweet 16. It's pretty hard to complain about this season (aside from the obvious) for the league. At an absolute minimum, we're going to have 2 of the top 8 seeds in the field. And quite likely 2 (maybe 3) other entrants. It'd be nice to have one other team that has a reasonably easy path to the sweet 16 (and I suppose Provy, with a late season run, could be a high seed still). But I think it's an unmitigated success to get 3 in the Sweet Sixteen in any given year, particularly given we're a ten team league. More broadly, if half of your league qualifies for the NCAAT and two of your teams are top 2 seeds, that's pretty darned good.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 25, 2016 14:37:50 GMT -5
Is my math right that if Seton Hall loses to Providence tonight we can still capture third place in the Big East if we win the last 3? It will never happen but just goes to show you what a mess of mediocrity most of the Big East is outside of Villanova and Xavier. Is the mediocrity limited to the Big East, though? Not seeing too much great basketball being played anywhere this year. I don't think any of the major conferences are particularly deep or impressive... On this point. Michigan State is now the #1 according to KenPom. Their rating is a 0.9413 which is the lowest rating EVER for a #1. Previously 'Nova was #1 with 0.9454 which was the lowest rating ever at that time. This is a down year entirely for CBB, just makes me sad because this year's NCAA is SO wide open.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 25, 2016 17:19:26 GMT -5
Is the mediocrity limited to the Big East, though? Not seeing too much great basketball being played anywhere this year. I don't think any of the major conferences are particularly deep or impressive... No, it's not limited to the BE. No one team or conference seems superlative. And, in any event, it's really hard to tell how good the BE is. Villanova hasn't beaten any top-tier teams outside the conference, so who knows, but the only games they've lost all year were to excellent teams (with one loss to Provy), so there's that. Xavier beat a bunch of good (Mich, USC, Dayton) teams but no real top teams from major conferences) OOC. Both basically steam-rolled the BE. So, there's reason to question both teams in terms of true title aspirations, but there's not really any reason to think they should lose to a 7-10 seed in the second round. Not saying they won't, but they've beaten those sorts of teams very consistently all year. And as for the "second tier" BE teams, well, they've all lost to Nova and Xavier consistently and then beat up on each other. So, they could still be quite good if it turns out Nova and/or X are. Butler, for example, beat a good Purdue team and decent Cinci and Temple teams (losing only to a very good Miami team) OOC. They've lost eight games in conference, but six are to Nova, X, and Provy. No shame there. Provy could easily be beat if Bentil and/or Dunn have an off day or get Hibberted in early round. But the tournament is full of teams that get to the later rounds on the backs of two excellent players. I wouldn't be shocked if either lose in the first round or goes to the Sweet 16. It's pretty hard to complain about this season (aside from the obvious) for the league. At an absolute minimum, we're going to have 2 of the top 8 seeds in the field. And quite likely 2 (maybe 3) other entrants. It'd be nice to have one other team that has a reasonably easy path to the sweet 16 (and I suppose Provy, with a late season run, could be a high seed still). But I think it's an unmitigated success to get 3 in the Sweet Sixteen in any given year, particularly given we're a ten team league. More broadly, if half of your league qualifies for the NCAAT and two of your teams are top 2 seeds, that's pretty darned good. I will give you the argument that there is a bunch of mediocrity, but the BE has been particularly awful. It's just basic math. I mean, as previous posters said, we could still finish in 3rd or 4th place. Creighton is there now. Butler better hope we dont beat them. They would be 7-9. Providence has literally not beaten anyone but Georgetown in like 3 weeks. Im sorry, but the middle of the BE is worse than the middle of most major conferences.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 25, 2016 17:26:24 GMT -5
No, it's not limited to the BE. No one team or conference seems superlative. And, in any event, it's really hard to tell how good the BE is. Villanova hasn't beaten any top-tier teams outside the conference, so who knows, but the only games they've lost all year were to excellent teams (with one loss to Provy), so there's that. Xavier beat a bunch of good (Mich, USC, Dayton) teams but no real top teams from major conferences) OOC. Both basically steam-rolled the BE. So, there's reason to question both teams in terms of true title aspirations, but there's not really any reason to think they should lose to a 7-10 seed in the second round. Not saying they won't, but they've beaten those sorts of teams very consistently all year. And as for the "second tier" BE teams, well, they've all lost to Nova and Xavier consistently and then beat up on each other. So, they could still be quite good if it turns out Nova and/or X are. Butler, for example, beat a good Purdue team and decent Cinci and Temple teams (losing only to a very good Miami team) OOC. They've lost eight games in conference, but six are to Nova, X, and Provy. No shame there. Provy could easily be beat if Bentil and/or Dunn have an off day or get Hibberted in early round. But the tournament is full of teams that get to the later rounds on the backs of two excellent players. I wouldn't be shocked if either lose in the first round or goes to the Sweet 16. It's pretty hard to complain about this season (aside from the obvious) for the league. At an absolute minimum, we're going to have 2 of the top 8 seeds in the field. And quite likely 2 (maybe 3) other entrants. It'd be nice to have one other team that has a reasonably easy path to the sweet 16 (and I suppose Provy, with a late season run, could be a high seed still). But I think it's an unmitigated success to get 3 in the Sweet Sixteen in any given year, particularly given we're a ten team league. More broadly, if half of your league qualifies for the NCAAT and two of your teams are top 2 seeds, that's pretty darned good. I will give you the argument that there is a bunch of mediocrity, but the BE has been particularly awful. It's just basic math. I mean, as previous posters said, we could still finish in 3rd or 4th place. Creighton is there now. Butler better hope we dont beat them. They would be 7-9. Providence has literally not beaten anyone but Georgetown in like 3 weeks. Im sorry, but the middle of the BE is worse than the middle of most major conferences. Pretty much every other major conference has a bunch of 5-7 loss teams in 3rd - 6th as well, and with their unbalanced scheduling, its hard to tell how many of those records are inflated by lucking into an easy schedule. It also seems silly to ding the Big East because there is still a remote possibility that we end up in 3rd place. Boston College could still win the ACC tournament, but that isn't held against the ACC.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 25, 2016 17:34:00 GMT -5
There isnt a remote possibility we would end up in 3rd place in the same way BC would win the tourney. We have essentially the same conference record as 2 teams in the BE that are projected to make the tourney. That's the point. I think that's pretty pathetic. In fact, if we beat Butler, which we may well do, we would be ahead of them. Creighton has more BE wins than Providence and Butler. Iowa St is 8-7 because the 5 teams ahead of them are all going to make the tourney. Creighton and Gtown arent even going to come close.
I will be rooting for the BE, but I think it's been a down year. Doesnt mean next year can't be better.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 25, 2016 18:58:59 GMT -5
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Post by hoopsmccan on Feb 25, 2016 21:02:09 GMT -5
15 minutes before a 7pm start at a "downtown" arena. what did he expect? Did he tweet a picture of the game time crowd, or did that not fit his narrative? hm
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Post by drquigley on Feb 25, 2016 21:11:30 GMT -5
Just finished watching the game on TV. The place was packed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 21:52:23 GMT -5
You want to see an empty arena? Check out the St John's @ DePaul game.
You can hear every bit of coaching Chris Mullin isn't giving.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 25, 2016 21:55:48 GMT -5
Understandable though. Lets just hope we don't get embarrassed by one of these two in the play in game.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 25, 2016 22:52:02 GMT -5
Just finished watching the game on TV. The place was packed. 8,600 per the box score, so juuuuuuuuuuuust a little short of packed, though you'd be forgiven for thinking it was packed b/c apropos of our other thread, SHU has some serious curtain action going on at The Rock.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 26, 2016 0:05:13 GMT -5
15 minutes before a 7pm start at a "downtown" arena. what did he expect? Did he tweet a picture of the game time crowd, or did that not fit his narrative? hm Yup
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 26, 2016 0:09:21 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2016 0:11:15 GMT -5
There isnt a remote possibility we would end up in 3rd place in the same way BC would win the tourney. We have essentially the same conference record as 2 teams in the BE that are projected to make the tourney. That's the point. I think that's pretty pathetic. In fact, if we beat Butler, which we may well do, we would be ahead of them. Creighton has more BE wins than Providence and Butler. Iowa St is 8-7 because the 5 teams ahead of them are all going to make the tourney. Creighton and Gtown arent even going to come close. I will be rooting for the BE, but I think it's been a down year. Doesnt mean next year can't be better. The idea where we "could" finish is indicative of how good a team we have is silly. It is possible we could finish third, but it is highly improbable. And, under any scenario where we finish third, we defeat Butler, Marquette, and Villanova (away), which would actually probably be enough to get us close to the bubble, and maybe enough to get in with a quality BET win. My point is that while we've played horribly recently, despite even that, we aren't THAT far off the bubble simply because the bubble is very soft.
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Post by hoya95 on Feb 26, 2016 0:16:24 GMT -5
So he's tripped two guys and shoved LJ from behind while he was in the air. When does he get suspended?
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Post by SaxaCD on Feb 26, 2016 0:21:15 GMT -5
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