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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 9, 2016 10:59:08 GMT -5
The Hoyas have been struggling without Paul White, one it's best defenders and on the ball decision makers. I feel as if White is the best all around players the Hoyas have with one of the highest basketball IQ's.
Point guard is so critical because he/she is the head of the monster other teams want to chop off. The point guards makes all the decisions and control the tempo of games. The point guard is suppose to make his/her teammates better, by giving their teammates the ball when and where they want it at. A point guard is the coach on the court. Communication and point communication are key. A true point guard has to be vocal and have leadership & to be unselfish, and yes, even in the this Georgetown offense, so many still call the Princeton O.
Lately, I've heard our fans call for the coach's head and his system that he runs. Personally, I never thought it was the system because when the Hoyas run it correctly it's a beautiful sight to see. DSR is not a true point guard, but can play this position. I, myself, love when he focuses on distributing the ball and attacking. Attacking is not something he does all time, but I do believe he knows he has to attack the basket at will now. At least I'm hoping this. This will make all the difference in the world just to play the right way. Attack, dish or kick out, but a point guards/guard first look should be into the post! I actually like Peak on the ball. Ball and player movement are good to go with him on the ball. Decision making is on point. I like Tre Campbell as his back up. The Hoyas can be consistent with the #Peakshow at the top on offense. I have more to say, but some feedback would be great Hoyanation! Let's go Hoyas! Beat Provy!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 9, 2016 14:38:06 GMT -5
I guess you all don't know about guard play? hmmm
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Post by drquigley on Feb 9, 2016 21:46:58 GMT -5
Suggest you check out the Tre Campbell thread. Lots of discussion on pg position in general and Tre's suitability for it.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 9, 2016 21:59:25 GMT -5
Suggest you check out the Tre Campbell thread. Lots of discussion on pg position in general and Tre's suitability for it. I think you touched on it with your original post. I'm not sure we need a true point (would be nice though) but we do need to have point skills. It doesn't have to be all one guy with them but, like you mentioned, it's a big reason we're missing PW so badly. If Tre had added more to his game over the summer (and hadn't been injured), I think we could have gotten by a bit better without Paul. But we don't have other guys with PG skills for the most part. Who's the good/great passer? Who gets in the lane and dishes well? Who takes his guy off of the dribble? We've seen some decent passing from Bradley and Reggie but it's been far from consistent. LJ has stepped up in his driving game and his dishing as well and that's hugely helpful. Tre? He's young still but what PG skills does he have? He's good at pushing the tempo but what else so far? If we don't have a true PG, we need other guys on the floor that have the skills a point would have. One great passer. One guy that can get into the lane consistently. One guy that can blanket the opposing point. Doesn't have to be one guy but we badly need all of those things. We're improving a bit but not to the point where on any given day you can expect a great passing game by Reggie or a great driving game by LJ. It leads to a lot of inconsistency and "what if's" when you see Paul on the bench cheering his tail off.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 10, 2016 9:19:47 GMT -5
Want to know the value of a point guard? Check out Maurice Watson's numbers last night for Creighton and ask Creighton fans where their team would be without him.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 10, 2016 10:50:27 GMT -5
Want to know the value of a point guard? Check out Maurice Watson's numbers last night for Creighton and ask Creighton fans where their team would be without him. This statement is meaningless. You can literally use it for any good player at any position. For example, this is what you would have said after the game at the Carrier Dome in 2013: "Want to know the value of a small forward? Check out Otto Porter's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." Or what you would have said after Roy dominated West Virginia in the BET: "Want to know the value of a center? Check out Roy Hibbert's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." Or after Austin Freeman went off against UConn: "Want to know the value of a shooting guard? Check out Austin Freeman's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." Or after Jeff Green went off against Notre Dame in the BET: "Want to know the value of a point forward? Check out Jeff Green's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him."
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 10, 2016 11:51:47 GMT -5
I would love to see a dynamic point guard with some speed and good court vision. It also would be helpful, given the new rules especially, to have someone who can get under defenses. It would be such a powerful weapon -- one we don't have now.
One of the program's strengths is that JT3 has successfully coached players to take on that responsibility. And, of course, he recruits centers and forwards ready to take that on. And, he can work with players like DSR and LJ to make them better at facilitating. So, can we make up for the absence of a true point guard? Indeed we have, but this year the absence of that guard is glaring, in part because of PW's absence. Also there are really good PGs in the conference who quite simply have capabilities that we lack.
I agree with Glide that LJ is key. He has stopped fouling out of games and is only getting better. He creates opportunities with the ball in his hands. I truly believe that Tre will become better, just as Markel did. But I would love to have a "true" PG. What a weapon!
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 10, 2016 12:36:37 GMT -5
As mentioned it doesn't necessarily need to be a point guard, but you do need players who can beat defenders off the dribble and get into the paint for either easy offense or to get open shots for teammates. LJ does get into the paint but he is usually looking to score when he does. Tre is quick enough to get by defenders but for some reason seems hesitant to try to get into the lane. Not sure if that is the coaches telling him not to do it or if he is just not comfortable trying to make those plays
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 11, 2016 6:35:54 GMT -5
in this offense it's not about having a lead guard it's about having a facilitator of the offense. dsr, a very good player, is not that. neither is peak or tre. we hoped Copeland might be that player but that hasn't happened. paul white maybe...but wait he's hurt. I think eventually III can run the offense through govan like he did roy and henry but we are a ways away from that now.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 13, 2016 17:56:27 GMT -5
understand about a function of the current offense, in today's college game you need players that can get into the lane, attack the lane off the dribble. that is one of the main reasons in recent times we are falling behind in the drawing fouls, free throws, kick open shots situations & have the ability to get the ball to open players because that is what those players have trained to do most of their playing days. point guards. late shoot clock situation are very tenuous for us for that very reason. we basically have 2 two guards and no points. Campbell by title but court play of a 2 (example does not trust himself to get ball to post at the split second post is open). on the recruiting front we may be in the running for another another forward (unless a true game changer) is needed less than a true point. even better would be 2 points but good to get 1. a player who has ran a team from the court, understand late clock and late game. let's adjust our team to the new rules and play. a point guard is use to guarding other points and have the better feel of other points designs.
I know, just wishing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 9:08:12 GMT -5
We desperately need players who can pass. I love LJ Peak, but when was the last time, he drove and passed out to someone on the perimeter?? He always tries to finish. Tre Campbell tries, but he also has problems passing and problems finishing. I believe the coach and the players are aware of this. I am just not sure this is correctable at this point. One thing about Mourning, he appears to be able to pass which is why it seems that we do better with him on the floor.
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Post by wnyhoya on Feb 14, 2016 10:14:26 GMT -5
We desperately need players who can pass. I love LJ Peak, but when was the last time, he drove and passed out to someone on the perimeter?? He always tries to finish. Tre Campbell tries, but he also has problems passing and problems finishing. I believe the coach and the players are aware of this. I am just not sure this is correctable at this point. One thing about Mourning, he appears to be able to pass which is why it seems that we do better with him on the floor. I used to feel the same way about LJ but I think he's really starting to evolve and take what the defense is giving him. For example the euro step move he displayed yesterday and against St. John's a couple times. In the past those drives would be charges but he's adjusted. In terms of his passing just look at the drive he had yesterday when 3-4 guys collapsed on him and he found DSR on the wing for a huge three. So I think he can still probably get better at this but signs of improvement are definitely there
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Post by Eurostar on Feb 14, 2016 10:44:21 GMT -5
Tre is a true PG, but for some unknown reason he plays as the 2G when in there with DSR. DSR brings up the ball and Tre runs down the floor to the wing. After defensive rebounds, they "outlet" to DSR, not Tre. We get less easy baskets in transition than anyone. The one game this season when they looked for Tre and gave him outlet passes was against Xavier. He pushed the ball, scored a lot and set up good plays.
To me, playing Tre at the 2 is as big a problem for us as fouling and defense. At the very minimum, when we find ourselves in a classic Hoyas scoring drought, we should look to push the ball with Tre in transition to get us out of it.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 14, 2016 12:27:56 GMT -5
Tre is a true PG, but for some unknown reason he plays as the 2G when in there with DSR. DSR brings up the ball and Tre runs down the floor to the wing. After defensive rebounds, they "outlet" to DSR, not Tre. We get less easy baskets in transition than anyone. The one game this season when they looked for Tre and gave him outlet passes was against Xavier. He pushed the ball, scored a lot and set up good plays. To me, playing Tre at the 2 is as big a problem for us as fouling and defense. At the very minimum, when we find ourselves in a classic Hoyas scoring drought, we should look to push the ball with Tre in transition to get us out of it. I hope you are right that "Tre is a true PG." Because after two years, he looks like a point guard, moves like a point guard....but just is NOT a point guard to my eyes. The reason is that as fast as he is coast to coast he always stops before going down the lane to create something. He shoots or pulls it out to pass around. I keep waiting for him to go John Wall and drive the lane to score or dish...but if you have seen that ...I have not. And I seriously doubt JT3 tells him not to do these essential things . Now, that being said...he has the physical tools to be a PG..so there is always a chance at improvement.
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 14, 2016 12:39:57 GMT -5
We desperately need players who can pass. I love LJ Peak, but when was the last time, he drove and passed out to someone on the perimeter?? He always tries to finish. Tre Campbell tries, but he also has problems passing and problems finishing. I believe the coach and the players are aware of this. I am just not sure this is correctable at this point. One thing about Mourning, he appears to be able to pass which is why it seems that we do better with him on the floor. Hmm well he does it much better than anyone else on the team, so there's that.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 14, 2016 12:54:23 GMT -5
that was my point also of not being a true point. Campbell rarely penetrates for a score and/or make the d collapse for a kick out. rarely hit or setup a post man at that split moment he is open, usually a true point can do those things naturally.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 16, 2016 12:58:06 GMT -5
I assume by now everyone has seen the "Piling On" piece on the HoyaSaxa.com taken from the Providence Journal, which basically makes the point discussed here short and sweet.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 16, 2016 13:22:00 GMT -5
Want to know the value of a point guard? Check out Maurice Watson's numbers last night for Creighton and ask Creighton fans where their team would be without him. This statement is meaningless. You can literally use it for any good player at any position. For example, this is what you would have said after the game at the Carrier Dome in 2013: "Want to know the value of a small forward? Check out Otto Porter's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." Or what you would have said after Roy dominated West Virginia in the BET: "Want to know the value of a center? Check out Roy Hibbert's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." Or after Austin Freeman went off against UConn: "Want to know the value of a shooting guard? Check out Austin Freeman's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." Or after Jeff Green went off against Notre Dame in the BET: "Want to know the value of a point forward? Check out Jeff Green's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." I'm not sure but I think you made my point!
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 16, 2016 13:24:54 GMT -5
This statement is meaningless. You can literally use it for any good player at any position. For example, this is what you would have said after the game at the Carrier Dome in 2013: "Want to know the value of a small forward? Check out Otto Porter's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." Or what you would have said after Roy dominated West Virginia in the BET: "Want to know the value of a center? Check out Roy Hibbert's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." Or after Austin Freeman went off against UConn: "Want to know the value of a shooting guard? Check out Austin Freeman's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." Or after Jeff Green went off against Notre Dame in the BET: "Want to know the value of a point forward? Check out Jeff Green's numbers last night for Georgetown and ask Georgetown fans where their team would be without him." I'm not sure but I think you made my point! Not unless your point was "good players, exclusive of what position they play, are valuable"
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Post by drquigley on Feb 16, 2016 21:52:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure but I think you made my point! Not unless your point was "good players, exclusive of what position they play, are valuable" My point is that Creighton won 4 games last year. A good point guard like Watson can make everyone better, make an offense hum ( I believe Creighton was last in pants scored last year), and turn a program around. Yes good players are valuable but unless their name is Patrick Ewing no one is more valuable than a point guard - and our lack of a legitimate one is what is killing us this year.
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