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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 20, 2015 10:04:28 GMT -5
Someone made a point in another thread whether there's something else in play here, off the court. Poor coaching usually takes its toll at the end of games, but not at the beginning.
If there's an issue in the locker room or trouble coming out of finals, we won't know for a while, but there seems to be a cloud hanging over multiple players, particularly the starters.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 20, 2015 12:04:57 GMT -5
III was shuttling Peak in and out for Johnson on offense and defense over the last several minutes today even though Johnson had the hot hand, was the better defender and the guy actually making his FTs. I couldn't understand it. I like LJ but come on. You go with the guy who is getting it done. Johnson had a great game, but Peak was playing very well when he wasn't fouling. There probably should have been space on the floor for both, but if Kaleb had made a bad turnover on offense, someone would have complained about that as well.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 20, 2015 13:28:21 GMT -5
Someone made a point in another thread whether there's something else in play here, off the court. Poor coaching usually takes its toll at the end of games, but not at the beginning. If there's an issue in the locker room or trouble coming out of finals, we won't know for a while, but there seems to be a cloud hanging over multiple players, particularly the starters. I wrote that. I have no inside info. But this team has gotten worse in a manner that's not normal. Too many players are playing below established levels of performance. You see plenty of teams at all levels lay an egg, whether just in execution or even in effort. It's not rare. So it wouldn't shock me to see this team have an internal meeting and start to turn it around. But given that they are all competitors, if they don't, I suspect it is something more than just Xs and Os. I'm not absolving the coach here -- it may be coach related or it may be something he should deal with. But Radford, UNCA and Monmouth didn't figure something out that Boeheim, K and Bo Ryan didn't. I'm a Padres fan, and years ago we had a can't miss prospect named Sean Burroughs. He was originally famous for winning the LLWS and having a dad who won an MVP with the Rangers. Sean was a top prospect all through the minors. He came to the majors young and hit. He didn't hit for a lot of power, but he hit the ball hard his rookie year -- he just didn't have loft. Going into his second season, I went to Spring Training. And Sean was CRUSHING the ball. Hitting off the batter's eye in deep center. Just rocketing everything. He didn't turn into a monster in year 2, but he progressed and was only 22. But year 3 he regressed. He turned into a punch and judy hitter with no power. Pitchers adjusted accordingly, and by 24 he was benched and out of the league fairly soon after. People would point to him as an example of the inherent riskiness of prospects, as no one could explain why he failed. People blamed mean Phil Nevin or Burroughs for being mentally weak (Nevin had always been angry that Burroughs moved him off third). He was an example of the continued inability of the Padres to develop players (true, and may have contributed). But it wasn't until years later that we learned that Burroughs had a massive substance abuse problem, in his case, alcohol. Like Ken Caminiti. Or Josh Hamilton. Or Greg Oden. Perhaps this doesn't continue and the ship rights itself. But if the team continues to play as they have during a significant part of this season, there is something more than Xs and Os and talent here.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 20, 2015 14:23:37 GMT -5
Going on the road for awhile could be just what this team needs.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 20, 2015 16:46:16 GMT -5
Every team has issues. Coaches address them--that is why they are paid. I don't care to speculate what might or might not be the issue off the court with the Hoyas. I believe that it could easily be that this team is simply suffering from youth , injury and inexperience. DSR is streaky and an average defender. Hayes is inexperienced, not a good defender and a poor FT shooter. Everyone else is very young or very inexperienced or both. There is a well-compensated coach who has to fix this and maximize the chance for success. Not unfair criticism, just the reality of the job. They are currently not a good team and at this point should be worrying only about winning Tuesday and not making the tournament in March. Without some immediate change this team will not win more than 6 games in the BE.
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 20, 2015 21:36:15 GMT -5
Agree with Dan, this team needs a change of scenery. However, I also agree with SF, the drop-off in performance is beyond what would be considered laying a collective egg. It just does not add up. I am hoping the timing of this spiral does not indicate finals/eligibility issues again, but who knows. There are also a lot of young, very talented and competitive guys on this team and it would not be the first time egos got in the way of team success. These recent performances are just so mystifying, you almost cannot believe this is just an Xs and Os problem.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 20, 2015 22:37:28 GMT -5
must win must play forty minutes OR MORE of hustling offense and defense. YUP and another NC team at home charlotte typically good GO HOYAS NEED THIS ONE BADLY I hope Kaleb continues his rapid assent GO KALEB
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 20, 2015 22:43:35 GMT -5
ps dont see no prediction thingy here SO ONE POINT OR OT yup must fight and WIN
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 21, 2015 1:23:36 GMT -5
Way too much speculation here. Most people who know me consider me to be someone with a good amount of inside info on the team. There are no such issues that would cause the team to play this poorly. In years past we know there have been some issues in the locker room or in the classroom....don't see any of that going on here. From what I know, our issues are strictly "on the court".
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 21, 2015 7:27:00 GMT -5
I will be in Charlotte tomorrow for this game. First Hoya game for my two boys. Perhaps not great timing, but we will try to have fun. I am still and always will be proud to be a Hoya fan.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 21, 2015 10:16:10 GMT -5
For 2.7mm, JTIII needs to figure this out and adjust his line-up to the strengths of his team. Right now, he sets are not helping.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 21, 2015 10:48:01 GMT -5
Way too much speculation here. Most people who know me consider me to be someone with a good amount of inside info on the team. There are no such issues that would cause the team to play this poorly. In years past we know there have been some issues in the locker room or in the classroom....don't see any of that going on here. From what I know, our issues are strictly "on the court". Thank you for putting this issue to rest.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 21, 2015 11:00:14 GMT -5
Way too much speculation here. Most people who know me consider me to be someone with a good amount of inside info on the team. There are no such issues that would cause the team to play this poorly. In years past we know there have been some issues in the locker room or in the classroom....don't see any of that going on here. From what I know, our issues are strictly "on the court". That's great to hear ... except that the effort in the court should be embarrassing to both staff and player. I struggle to understand why it looks like Hayes and Johnson are the only ones trying. But I fully admit I could be missing something
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 21, 2015 11:00:52 GMT -5
For 2.7mm, JTIII needs to figure this out and adjust his line-up to the strengths of his team. Right now, he sets are not helping. Please, what is the line-up needed to fix everything?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 21, 2015 11:08:52 GMT -5
SF, that answer depends from game to game. I think that is part of the read & react that JTIII is missing with this expanded depth. Here are a couple of suggestions: 1) Go small against the likes of schools like Asheville. Derrickson at the 5 with White, Copeland rounding out the front line. If that fails, give Mourning a go as a stretch 5. 2) If LJ gets three fouls in six minutes (otherwise known as the Jabril), keep his ass in the game. If he fouls out, so what, let him learn on the bench. 3) Is DSR is off, run out Campbell at the one and tell him to penetrate & kick out, basically what every team is capable of doing against us, 4) The extended 1-3-1 zone is giving us trouble it seems, why not try that against our opponents since we have the personnel & length to do this. I see mourning as the five in this scenario. 5) Run a press throughout the game, not just when we are desperate. Once again, run a short minute rotation at the 5 since we are capable of going three deep and use your bevy of long wings to get tips. If guys are winded, bring in the cavalry which we have this year.
Overall, JTII is trying the same things with different people. There is no willingness to adapt and try things. The early OOC is when we should be experimenting and discovering which line-ups work against which types of teams. I don't feel like we have done any of that to date.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 21, 2015 12:10:02 GMT -5
I would like to see Trey get some early PT in this game. Our team isn't showing much toughness and I believe lil Zo has some toughness and some skill. I watched UNCC get blown out at home by Elon. If we don't win this game comfortably I will be very disappointed. We are much better on all fronts and Charlotte isn't the typical MM that has undersized guards that will drive our wings crazy........
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Post by justsaying on Dec 21, 2015 13:25:58 GMT -5
I would like to see Trey get some early PT in this game. Our team isn't showing much toughness and I believe lil Zo has some toughness and some skill. I watched UNCC get blown out at home by Elon. If we don't win this game comfortably I will be very disappointed. We are much better on all fronts and Charlotte isn't the typical MM that has undersized guards that will drive our wings crazy........ I agree; Trey seems to be more of the euro - 4 small ball type. Would like to see what he can do. Should bring more energy; I would expect more lane coverage than current even if commits more fouls just from not having more game action.
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Post by jamaicahoya on Dec 21, 2015 13:44:20 GMT -5
I am as perplex as many of you as to the current run of play by the team. One of my perplexities is why III, who has consistently gotten competitive efforts from far more limited teams(notwithstanding his NCAA tourney record) is having so much difficulty getting one of his better teams, personnel wise, going. After some reflection, it occurred to me that with our depth we can for long periods have five players on the court who can score. Consequently players may be too focused on looking for their shots, rather than on making the right basketball play.
This selfishness may be a factor in our lack luster rebounding and over all defensive efforts. It is not an unassailable situation. It takes coaching and buy-in by the players. On the coaching front, however, I am not as convinced as some that III is not trying hard enough. Good players present their own unique challenges to a coach. It is difficult, for example, to bench or otherwise reprimand a player for taking an ill-advised shot, if that player was open and it was a shot he was capable of making. It is easy to tell someone like Peak to stop driving the ball into traffic, but when he is one of the few members of the team capable of putting dribble penetration pressure on a team, you have to be careful how your message comes across.
Part of what makes a good basketball player is the confidence to put the shot down, when the opportunity presents itself. You don't want to coach away that confidence. III's focus with this group, as I see it, is to convince each that playing team ball will bolster rather than weakened their NBA resumes. Time in a program usually helps resolve many of these challenges, but III is limited in having DSR(a scorer,not a facilitator)as his only true senior, experience wise.
I still believe that this team has the personnel to make a deep run in the NCAA tourney. They will need to commit to each other. Each in any given game must, in order to win, be willing to accept and embrace rebounding and defense as his primary duties. Yes, III has a big role in helping to make this happen, but it will be the buy-in from the players that guarantees it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 21, 2015 14:09:02 GMT -5
I have no basis for this, but I think we are going to go to Charlotte and win convincingly. There has to be some positive commentary around here!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 21, 2015 14:52:11 GMT -5
The false sense of security in playing UMD and Duke very well and beating Wisco and cuse may have made the team overconfident. And they didn't adjust their play accordingly. They have to right the ship.
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