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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 17, 2017 15:57:51 GMT -5
14-17 heading into the BET. We are going to be in a win or else situation. III is going to have to figure out how to play plus Waters & Walker & minus Pryor, Hayes, & Cameron. If Peak decides to go pro we are really in for a junk show next year which will be our fifth rebuilding year in a row. We better pull some big 5th year transfers or this is likely the same thing next year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 17, 2017 16:03:54 GMT -5
5th year transfers are certainly no guarantee. It is very hard for most to mesh with the rest of the team in such a short time - e.g. Pryor this year.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 17, 2017 16:04:23 GMT -5
Not a bad idea. I read once that Bill Veeck, while the owner of the St. Louis Browns (for you young'uns, they became the Baltimore Orioles) once handed out large cards to fans seated in the box seats, and polled them on specific situational strategies (bunt or steal, infield in or back) during a game, which results were then implemented. Maybe we could use advanced technology and run in-game strategy polls through a cell phone application in real time to assist the coaching staff. Hey, it won't be much worse than what we've seen this season. I imagine you might have read it about three hours ago when I posted it...lol Mea culpa, Vadi. I didn't read the prior page(s) in the thread before I posted (because it's reached gargantuan proportions), so I missed your post. I'll gladly cede credit to you here. |
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Post by Elvado on Jan 17, 2017 16:37:42 GMT -5
I imagine you might have read it about three hours ago when I posted it...lol Mea culpa, Vadi. I didn't read the prior page(s) in the thread before I posted (because it's reached gargantuan proportions), so I missed your post. I'll gladly cede credit to you here. Just playing with you my friend. It takes a certain head for nonsense to even know this kind of stuff. |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2017 16:40:30 GMT -5
5th year transfers are certainly no guarantee. It is very hard for most to mesh with the rest of the team in such a short time - e.g. Pryor this year. Any other suggestions? |
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 17, 2017 16:44:45 GMT -5
Mea culpa, Vadi. I didn't read the prior page(s) in the thread before I posted (because it's reached gargantuan proportions), so I missed your post. I'll gladly cede credit to you here. Just playing with you my friend. It takes a certain head for nonsense to even know this kind of stuff. I have often said that I am a font of useless information. Glad to see (or, more accurately, reaffirm) that you are a kindred spirit. |
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Post by guru on Jan 17, 2017 16:47:17 GMT -5
5th year transfers are certainly no guarantee. It is very hard for most to mesh with the rest of the team in such a short time - e.g. Pryor this year. Any other suggestions? surrender to the abyss? |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2017 16:50:42 GMT -5
There's a lot said about JT Jr., JT3, the family, and its association with the university. Clearly, there are strong bonds there. I don't think JT Jr. is there every game at Verizon only because of his son (though I am sure that plays a role), but rather because the program itself is essentially his "baby" so to speak, in the sense that without him, none of it would be there. Now, if there is going to be any change in the leadership of our program, I have to think that JT Jr. would be involved. He has a close relationship to Jack DeGioia, and DeGioia is ultimately the one who would be making the decisions here. So, even if DeGioia were to decide that it's time to move on, I think it's very likely that JT Jr. would have a huge influence in whoever the new coach was (unless JT3 was handled so haphazardly that it caused a total break between the Thompsons and Georgetown, which in my opinion, would be incredibly sad and unnecessary). So, even if there was a "new start" I think it's safe to say the Thompson influence would still be strong (again, unless they alienate the whole family). Complicated situation indeed. Not so sure if DeGioia is making the decisions either. Their relationship is too close as to where JT2 is in charge of the Basketball program. He has that much clout. Either he'll decide when and if a change will be made or will be consulted. That is why this situation is very tricky. If DeGioia makes the decision of parting ways with III independent of JT2, he would lose JT2 and maybe all that comes with it (Nike/Jordan?,basketball alumni? etc.) Why would we lose the basketball alumni if the transition is done properly and with class? You don't think they are upset with what is going on? |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2017 16:55:23 GMT -5
Not a bad idea. I read once that Bill Veeck, while the owner of the St. Louis Browns (for you young'uns, they became the Baltimore Orioles) once handed out large cards to fans seated in the box seats, and polled them on specific situational strategies (bunt or steal, infield in or back) during a game, which results were then implemented. Maybe we could use advanced technology and run in-game strategy polls through a cell phone application in real time to assist the coaching staff. Hey, it won't be much worse than what we've seen this season. I imagine you might have read it about three hours ago when I posted it...lol Would those fans get a piece of the $3M?! Talk about a way of putting fans back in Verizon!! |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 17, 2017 16:57:10 GMT -5
I think the bball alumni are all in the Thompson family corner, so any independent decision to fire JTIII could alienate many of them, no matter how it is handled.
And I am not suggesting that this is a sufficient basis to keep him as we continue to circle the drain. But we should not be surprised if that is one of the collateral results.
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Post by the_way on Jan 17, 2017 17:04:49 GMT -5
I think the bball alumni are all in the Thompson family corner, so any independent decision to fire JTIII could alienate many of them, no matter how it is handled. And I am not suggesting that this is a sufficient basis to keep him as we continue to circle the drain. But we should not be surprised if that is one of the collateral results. Exactly. |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2017 17:26:41 GMT -5
I think the bball alumni are all in the Thompson family corner, so any independent decision to fire JTIII could alienate many of them, no matter how it is handled. I don't think so. They love the school just as much as we do. Everything must and will be done with class. |
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Post by calhoya on Jan 17, 2017 17:38:28 GMT -5
I think the bball alumni are all in the Thompson family corner, so any independent decision to fire JTIII could alienate many of them, no matter how it is handled. And I am not suggesting that this is a sufficient basis to keep him as we continue to circle the drain. But we should not be surprised if that is one of the collateral results. I presumed that as well. However, do we really know that the loyalty of Hoya basketball royalty to the father is automatically extended to the son? |
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 17, 2017 18:20:14 GMT -5
Does the basketball alumni group really exist? From the outside it seems to pale in comparison to other programs with a decent history.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 17, 2017 18:25:05 GMT -5
Does the basketball alumni group really exist? From the outside it seems to pale in comparison to other programs with a decent history. How many other schools do you hear about having HOF alumni come back summer after summer to work out against current players and other alumni, and to see their coach? Don't kid yourself into thinking it will not be a factor. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 17, 2017 18:25:32 GMT -5
5th year transfers are certainly no guarantee. It is very hard for most to mesh with the rest of the team in such a short time - e.g. Pryor this year. Any other suggestions? Keep recruiting HS/Prep kids, there are kids out there who can play HM ball.. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 17, 2017 18:28:08 GMT -5
I think the bball alumni are all in the Thompson family corner, so any independent decision to fire JTIII could alienate many of them, no matter how it is handled. I don't think so. They love the school just as much as we do. Everything must and will be done with class. They love their coach more. And no matter how much "class" is involved, firing his son without Pops on board will have repercussions. But again, the way we are going, those may be significantly outweighed by the need for a change. |
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 17, 2017 18:44:19 GMT -5
Does the basketball alumni group really exist? From the outside it seems to pale in comparison to other programs with a decent history. How many other schools do you hear about having HOF alumni come back summer after summer to work out against current players and other alumni, and to see their coach? Don't kid yourself into thinking it will not be a factor. That's the thing, it's a very select few. |
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 17, 2017 18:46:33 GMT -5
I don't think so. They love the school just as much as we do. Everything must and will be done with class. They love their coach more. And no matter how much "class" is involved, firing his son without Pops on board will have repercussions. But again, the way we are going, those may be significantly outweighed by the need for a change. I see substantial risk on all sides that's worth thinking about. Stick with III and you basically stick with a coach that's clearly in a rut at a program where we clearly need a new set of eyes looking at the issue. Fire III without getting JTII on board and you lose a pivotal connection to the program's past. Heck, our whole new athletic facility is built around that past. Fire III but kiss JTIIs ring and the process and you may not get meaningful independence for the program. You risk having yet another guy in the program with JTII, the legend, looking over his shoulder for every mistake. We talk a lot less about this third risk, but I see it as well. My inclination is that a change is now appropriate for all parties. I think anyone looking at the program can see we need a fresh look at everything, from recruiting to development to strategy. Frankly, I think JTIII would benefit from a change of scenery, through either coaching elsewhere or assuming another role in the University. Bottom line for me, though--the program is at a turning point, either way. There are big risks regardless of what we do. And looking at the University right now, I rather doubt there is someone at Georgetown with the pure force of will to handle this situation effectively. DFW was on to something yesterday when he noted the fact that our athletics department doesn't really have a "winning culture." If we had athletic leadership that could handle this situation well, there would probably be more success in our other programs. I hope I'm wrong, though--I would hate to see us lose the prominence of our basketball program. It's such a joy to support year in, year out. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 17, 2017 19:12:34 GMT -5
We are in last place in the conference. White and Copeland have transferred. Others have had thoughts of transferring. We have 5th year transfers and Jucos on the team to plug holes. The coach is paid handsomely and seems clueless. The team has lost its will. I no longer fear change. As Warren Buffett said, "you can't get too hurt jumping out of a first story window!"
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