hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 22, 2016 23:06:58 GMT -5
Thanks professorhoya for starting this thread. It makes me laugh going back and reading it after being so involved I it today. The offense sucks and I don't see it changing. If we get incredibly hot shooting jump shots for 3 games we can win the BE tourney but more likely we we lose in the first game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:07:01 GMT -5
Before the season started and after the USC game, I thought this team would be Top 5... Blue&Grey-colored glasses, my friend. It boils down to this: to win a tournament, a team needs a little luck and to put 3 or more good to great consistent performances. Ask yourself: When was the last time a JT3-coached Hoya team put 3 good to great performances? 2007 C'mon...give the man some credit. 2008.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 22, 2016 23:08:15 GMT -5
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 22, 2016 23:15:24 GMT -5
C'mon...give the man some credit. 2008. I think it was 2007, he was just lucky in 2008.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 22, 2016 23:24:05 GMT -5
Its amazing how much credit JT3 is getting for Rodney getting hot on ill advised jump shots, blowing a 17 point lead in which he did virtually nothing to stop momentum and Georgetown playing superior FT defense. If this offense is going to continue to just produce jump shots we are going to beat some good teams and lose to some awful ones. I have a good friend who is an IU fan so I watch their games a lot and this has basically been their offense since Crean got there. I tell him every year don't get too excited because jump shooting teams can't win consistent enough to make a deep run. There are positive signs in the right direction with pace of play and running more but not the half court offense. This team has to find a way to get easier buckets. If you take away the USC-Upstate game over 60% of our shots are jump shots and the shots that are close are usually highly contested because they are just one on one moves not products of a good offensive set. As a result we have not been good at converting them. At this point our good offense is occasionally feed Jessie if it's there great, if not whoever between LJ and Rodney has the ball when things stagnate just tries to get a shot off. The sad part is I am happy when that's the case. If Rodney and LJ just want to take all the shots at this point I am cool with it because it's better than what the offense usually produces. Luckily they are 2 pretty good offensive players and it works sometimes but why does it have to be this way? When do we ever get the other team scrambling around having to switch off because a guy has beat his man off the dribble? All this said I do think getting Bradley and Marcus back will help because hopefully it means Ike goes to the bench and maybe he takes Tre with him. JT3 gets this season to make it right. He has way too much talent to fall flat again. This thread just keeps paying dividends for me. I compared us to IU and they go out and lose tonight to IPFW.
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Post by royski on Nov 22, 2016 23:31:50 GMT -5
God this thread looks stupid. stupid is a juvenile word. "haters club" being the height of intellectual discourse.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 22, 2016 23:32:59 GMT -5
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Post by royski on Nov 22, 2016 23:34:01 GMT -5
I just wish the team could benefit from some of the haterade around here. They will next year when they have a competent coach.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Nov 22, 2016 23:35:17 GMT -5
Incoming excuses: Wisconsin is a top 20 team so our loss tonight was inevitable! Since we beat Oregon, that victory should keep JT3 immune from criticisms for rest of the season! Hoya Saxa!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 23, 2016 7:30:56 GMT -5
Wisconsin IS a very good team. Obviously the Hoyas did not play well last night, but I have yet to hear an articulate argument that the lack of toughness and desire on rebounding and defense somehow comes from the coach. Also, it is not like III is telling Copeland to be a complete non-factor. Again, those are not "excuses"- they are the reality of what happened last night, and the truth is that we did not lose that game based upon coaching.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 23, 2016 7:45:30 GMT -5
What a telling quote! Where do you get them, JT3? Are you giving up teaching the players you have and recruited? JT3 is full of excuses. Job security at $3M/yr is to blame.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 23, 2016 7:59:47 GMT -5
Let me ask the board this- If Pops were coaching this squad, do you honestly believe that we would have gotten 1 offensive rebound to their 19? No way in hell.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 23, 2016 8:01:46 GMT -5
Let me ask the board this- If Pops were coaching this squad, do you honestly believe that we would have been gotten 1 offensive rebound to their 19? No way in hell. If George M. is tough enough, JT2 would have played him last night.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 23, 2016 8:39:20 GMT -5
What a telling quote! Where do you get them, JT3? Are you giving up teaching the players you have and recruited? JT3 is full of excuses. Job security at $3M/yr is to blame. What the hell are you talking about? He's talking about his players. He is admitting that they weren't tough enough last night and didn't do the little things necessary. And he is publicly calling them out, and essentially saying that guys won't play if they don't do those things. That's exactly what we want him to say. If he were just satisfied with his paycheck, he'd say he didn't care. Plenty of things to complain about, but piling on with nonsense is silly. The guy clearly cares.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 23, 2016 8:39:38 GMT -5
Full of excuses? How is that an excuse? Amazing.
We should only realize how lucky we are to have this man coaching the team. I hope that the supporters are more vocal than the detractors.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 23, 2016 9:00:27 GMT -5
What a telling quote! Where do you get them, JT3? Are you giving up teaching the players you have and recruited? JT3 is full of excuses. Job security at $3M/yr is to blame. What the hell are you talking about? He's talking about his players. He is admitting that they weren't tough enough last night and didn't do the little things necessary. And he is publicly calling them out, and essentially saying that guys won't play if they don't do those things. That's exactly what we want him to say. If he were just satisfied with his paycheck, he'd say he didn't care. Plenty of things to complain about, but piling on with nonsense is silly. The guy clearly cares. I agree with PR here.. Reads to me like he's throwing the players under the bus.. Why not say "we as a staff have to get kids to care about all aspects of the game?
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Post by prhoya on Nov 23, 2016 9:26:02 GMT -5
We should only realize how lucky we are to have this man coaching the team. Lucky? Agree to disagree.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 23, 2016 9:32:04 GMT -5
What the hell are you talking about? He's talking about his players. He is admitting that they weren't tough enough last night and didn't do the little things necessary. And he is publicly calling them out, and essentially saying that guys won't play if they don't do those things. That's exactly what we want him to say. If he were just satisfied with his paycheck, he'd say he didn't care. Plenty of things to complain about, but piling on with nonsense is silly. The guy clearly cares. See Etomic's post.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 23, 2016 9:32:25 GMT -5
What a telling quote! Where do you get them, JT3? Are you giving up teaching the players you have and recruited? JT3 is full of excuses. Job security at $3M/yr is to blame. What the hell are you talking about? He's talking about his players. He is admitting that they weren't tough enough last night and didn't do the little things necessary. And he is publicly calling them out, and essentially saying that guys won't play if they don't do those things. That's exactly what we want him to say. If he were just satisfied with his paycheck, he'd say he didn't care. Plenty of things to complain about, but piling on with nonsense is silly. The guy clearly cares. I am thrilled to see that quote from JT3. It is about time he calls out a few players and makes it clear the expectations that come along with playing time. There are too many guys who seem to float along and are not involved in all aspects of the game. Scorers get the headlines, but defense and rebounding is what gets you wins. It is time to demand intensity, focus and effort from everyone.
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Post by jester on Nov 23, 2016 9:45:58 GMT -5
I guess you have to assume JTIII knows how to get the most out of his players..but three minutes in the Kansas game with a lead self burned a time out and lit into his players red-faced for giving up some easy buckets. I think the frustrating thing for me is we don't see this from JTIII, when we get these results I sometimes would like to see more accountability on the players in the game and for the coach to inspire his team if they aren't executing/effort. But maybe JTIII is more of behind the scenes guy..
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