HoyaFanNY
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Garcia
May 14, 2004 5:56:29 GMT -5
Post by HoyaFanNY on May 14, 2004 5:56:29 GMT -5
i don't know about anyone else, but i am shocked we lost out on garcia, especially to richmond. i thought he was the perfect fit at the 2 for us. what happens now? it seems we've backed off on rivers. i love the fact that jtIII is pounding the pavement recruiting, but i'll save the jubilation for when we actually sign someone.
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Garcia
May 14, 2004 9:22:38 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on May 14, 2004 9:22:38 GMT -5
It has already been pointed out in the other threads that the Hoyas DID NOT OFFER him a scholarship. So if you want to take issue that the Hoya coaching staff made a mistake ala Shan Foster that's fine. But you can't claim they lost out to Richmond. Garcia pointed out that neither Gtown or Florida State offered. That's probably because his stock has fallen as a result of his play this season and during spring AAU tourneys. With a limited number of schollies for 2005 do you really think GU should have offered a kid who looks very likely to drop out of the Top 100 of his class at this rate? Especially when they are still going after more highly rated ballers? What would happen if GU offered Garcia last week while still targeting top 50 to top 75 wing players and he accepted the offer? If that had led to him signing with GU and he kept slipping down the rankings people here, who are fixated on player rankings, would be whining about how GU is not recruiting the top players. If the Hoyas refused to go along with accepting Garcia after they offered him because they had their eyes on bigger fish then that would have been classless.
I was one of those who went on record stating that the Hoyas made a HUGE mistake not offering Shan Foster. Based on what happened I can crow that I and others were right about that. I don't have any problems, however, with not offering Garcia considering the limitations of space available and the fact that JT3 is from all reports is out there busting his tail in pursuing many of the best recruits.
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HoyaFanNY
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Garcia
May 14, 2004 10:14:00 GMT -5
Post by HoyaFanNY on May 14, 2004 10:14:00 GMT -5
it sounds like you are the one who is fixated on player rankings. refusing to offer a talented player hoping a more talented player will sign is a risky proposition.
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MCIGuy
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Garcia
May 14, 2004 11:43:30 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on May 14, 2004 11:43:30 GMT -5
it sounds like you are the one who is fixated on player rankings. refusing to offer a talented player hoping a more talented player will sign is a risky proposition. Have you seen him play? Can you tell all of us just how talented Garcia is? Probably not. You appear to be basing your opinion of Garcia based on early reports on him and now assume that he is just too talented for the staff to take a pass on. Unfortunately for you the coaching staff have other plans. Why don't we give this new group the benefit of the doubt and assume that after all of the scouting they have personally done that they have a better understanding who can best help the team? That's not too much to ask. If they are wrong and made a mistake in their evaluations and in not offering Garcia then I'm sure they'll hear about it down the road. But right now they appear to be making the correct choice. Think of it this way---I recall reading old reports on Garcia a couple of years ago when the big schools like UNC and UVA were showing high interest in him. But he seems to have peaked because all of those schools, including Florida State, have now ran away from him and moved on to supposedly better players. The fact that Garcia signed with Richmond instead of a school in a better conference (no offense to the A10) tells you probably all you need to know. But regardless whether you agree with this line of thinking the truth is, which was my original point, that the Hoyas never lost Garcia because they never extended an offer to him in the first place. I wish him.
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HoyaFanNY
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Garcia
May 14, 2004 12:33:56 GMT -5
Post by HoyaFanNY on May 14, 2004 12:33:56 GMT -5
let me get this straight, you base the talent of a player on what schools are recruiting him? richmond was a much better team than we were last season. the fact that i have not seen him play is irrevelant. this is a good player and person, from everything i've read. you talk like we are uconn and have the luxury of refusing players to wait for better ones to come along.
make sure you don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back for the shane foster situation.
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Garcia
May 14, 2004 13:06:58 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on May 14, 2004 13:06:58 GMT -5
There are, I think, three possible reasons as to why we did not offer Garcia.
1. JTIII thinks he doesn't fit in well in the system he plans on implementing. (very possible)
2. JTIII thinks he isn't a very good player. If he views Garcia as less talented than Tyler, Bowman, Cook, etc., then he probably wouldn't offer. (unlikely, I think)
3. JTIII thinks Garcia is a good enough player in reference to his current talent, but thinks he can recruit better.
No. 3 is my guess. Now whether you think this is a good move (#3) I think is largely based upon your view of JTIII as a recruiter, Gtown in general, and Esh as a recruiter.
If you think JTIII is better than Esh at recruiting (in terms of getting people to come), then this move doesn't seem so bad. Trust in JTIII and see if he delivers.
If you think that JTIII isn't any better a recruiter than Esh (and that JTIII's value will be in development and X's and O's), then this move smells like the Foster one, Garcia, by most accounts, is not Foster, but the principle is the same, "a Bird in the Hand..."
The third path, more like MCIs, is that it is early in 3's reign, and we should wait for results before slamming him. I can understand that.
I think it is a bit of a combination. I think 3 is waiting on Galindo, and if he doesn't get him, he'll wait for other impact threes. Garcia's game does seem to be similar to Tyler's, so maybe there would be some redundancy there.
Anyway, I was furious about Foster, but 'm willing to give JTIII a shot. I'm skeptical that he can walk in and immediately have a huge recruiting impact, but we should give him at least the weekend before judging him on this one. ;D
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Garcia
May 14, 2004 13:48:23 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on May 14, 2004 13:48:23 GMT -5
let me get this straight, you base the talent of a player on what schools are recruiting him? richmond was a much better team than we were last season. the fact that i have not seen him play is irrevelant. this is a good player and person, from everything i've read. you talk like we are uconn and have the luxury of refusing players to wait for better ones to come along. make sure you don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back for the shane foster situation. My arm has already healed over that. But thanks for the get well wishes anyway. Since I haven't seen Garcia play I can only base his potential on his 1)rankings 2)individuals (such as those who write for HoyaReport) who have seen him play and 3) schools that are recruiting him. That's not a perfect system but odds are its more reliable than your gut-feeling you must be going by when claiming a player you've never seen is too talented to pass over. That's a neat trick by the way. And I don't recall saying we could pick and choose (which is why I never understood why we could afford to pass up a top 70 player like Foster and almost lose out on Cornelio as Esh was taking his time making a decision). But at the same time the Hoyas don't have to settle for the first player to come along either. There are plenty of guys out there to fill the two or three slots needed for the 2005 class. Why ask the first girl we see out to the prom when there are plenty of prettier ones out there that we have a legitimate chance of going out with. Give the new coaches a chance to prove themselves After all they undestand the situation better than either you or me. If they end up falling flat on their faces then you too can wear out your arm patting your own back. Fair enough?
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