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Post by IlliniNYC on Apr 25, 2005 8:12:51 GMT -5
"Illinois stopped calling me and it was like Kansas put me on hold to see if one of their players was transferring. Now, it's all about payback, because I get to play against both of them." ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) uh...looking forward to it, chief.
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Post by showcase on Apr 25, 2005 9:01:25 GMT -5
"Kansas put me on hold to see if one of their players was transferring." Uh, Galindo transferred, and you were still on "hold"? Or is he referring to someone else? With a mouth as big as his, it's no wonder he's "270lbs." Yup, he definitely got his 'Shuttlesworth.' ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I hope he didn't bond to closely with Quin, because he might be gone before Thomas ever sets foot on campus.
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Apr 25, 2005 9:18:23 GMT -5
Is he talking about U.S. Treasury bonds?
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 25, 2005 10:19:49 GMT -5
say what you want about thomas, we still have zero depth inside. until roy can stay on the floor and IF corny improves dramatically we can look forward to getting killed on the boards again this season. hopefully, egerson and spann want to do the dirty work.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 25, 2005 10:38:20 GMT -5
We were outrebounded by .6 boards per game. While a problem, it is not of crisis proportions.
The problem is not just a lack of size in the paint. We gave up considerable size at other spots on the floor, and our current recruiting class will ameliorate that to some degree. Is it worth .6 boards per game? I don't know. Is it worth something? Yes.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 25, 2005 10:40:34 GMT -5
I don't think we ever offered, and I'm glad we didn't. I doubt he would have seen much time this year, and we don't have the space for a middling talent like Thomas when we have bigger fish to fry in '06.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 25, 2005 10:47:00 GMT -5
We were outrebounded by .6 boards per game. While a problem, it is not of crisis proportions. While this is true, I do vaguely remember in the Providence game getting outrebounded by something ridiculous like 34-11. And our rebounding got worse towards the end of the year. I've never seen him play, but I think Thomas could have helped this, so I guess we're gonna have to see who's gonna pick up the slack in this category next year.
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Post by FLHoya on Apr 25, 2005 12:06:30 GMT -5
While this is true, I do vaguely remember in the Providence game getting outrebounded by something ridiculous like 34-11. And our rebounding got worse towards the end of the year. I've never seen him play, but I think Thomas could have helped this, so I guess we're gonna have to see who's gonna pick up the slack in this category next year. It was 38 to 18. And it was atrocious. I looked up a whole bunch of ridiculous stats from that game about how bad that was. Randall Hanke had 12 boards for goodness sake!! On the plus side, a -0.6 rebounding margin is actually an improvement over the -3.0 rebounding margin the media guide tells me we had for the 2003-2004 season. Not like we've been even close to a good rebounding team for about the past four seasons. I think there's room for improvement next year, just from some "maturing" from freshman to sophomore years. Just gaining a little extra discipline and knowing when NOT to contest a shot or help from the weak side might give Jeff Green an extra board or maybe two a game.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 25, 2005 12:17:13 GMT -5
While this is true, I do vaguely remember in the Providence game getting outrebounded by something ridiculous like 34-11. And our rebounding got worse towards the end of the year. I've never seen him play, but I think Thomas could have helped this, so I guess we're gonna have to see who's gonna pick up the slack in this category next year. A couple things to keep in mind on rebounding. 1) The Big East had 5 of the Top 7 teams in Offensive Rebounding from Ken Pom. No idea how many of the Top Overall rebounding teams we had, but Nova, Cuse, BC, Pitt and UConn were great at rebounding. 2) With DJ likely gone, it takes our worst rebounder (for his position) off the court. DJ was not a strong rebounder for a 3. If Tyler or Roy get his minutes, rebounding will improve. Also, I suspect Marc is a pretty good rebounder at that position as well. It would have been nice to get a big man, but III showed last year that he'd give up a rebounding advantage for other skills when he played DJ over players like Tyler and Roy. There's no point in having a rebounder on this squad if he can't do the other things that III requires to get PT.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 25, 2005 12:19:05 GMT -5
rebounding was a problem. we were 9th in the big east in rebound margin in big east play. some of the non conference easy wins aid your stats. here are just some of the games we were outrebounded
illinois -7 oral roberts -9 long beach state -3 pitt -5 uconn -13, -8, and -10 st. johns -8, and a staggering -18 nova -15 and last but certainly not least
PROVIDENCE -23!!!!!!!!!!!!
rebounding is a major problem.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 25, 2005 12:22:56 GMT -5
I don't think offensive rebounds are necessarily something we should expect a ton of, because a lot of times our big men are up top making passes and running the Offense. That's why you see Jon and some of the other guards coming up with more boards then you might expect from backcourt/wing players. We cant expect that all of our boards will come from our big men--we need everyone to pitch in. Tyler's a pretty decent rebounder, and I expect Egerson/Spann to help in that respect too.
Additionally, I think Jeff will improve. That was maybe his biggest weakness this year, was that he was a subpar rebounder for a BE PF (I dont have the stats, but thats what my gut tells me). However, he's only a Freshman. As he keeps improving, I suspect thats an aspect of his game that will get much better (he'll need it to if he wants to succeed in the NBA, and I'm sure he knows that).
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 25, 2005 12:34:52 GMT -5
I agree that rebounding is a significant problem, but I also think we need to look at the big picture. Thomas carried lots of red flags with him. I do not for a second regret his having chosen Mizzou, and I will hope that we can reel in a much bigger talent in next year's group, even if it means that our rebounding problems persist this season.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 25, 2005 12:38:40 GMT -5
I agree that rebounding is a significant problem, but I also think we need to look at the big picture. Thomas carried lots of red flags with him. I do not for a second regret his having chosen Mizzou, and I will hope that we can reel in a much bigger talent in next year's group, even if it means that our rebounding problems persist this season. This is the most excited I've ever been that someone committed to another program. We play a team game at GU, and Thomas' talk and attitude may have distracted from that. Never thought that I'd say this, but THANK YOU Quin Snyder and Mizzou boosters!
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 25, 2005 12:47:38 GMT -5
rebounding was a problem. we were 9th in the big east in rebound margin in big east play. some of the non conference easy wins aid your stats. here are just some of the games we were outrebounded illinois -7 oral roberts -9 long beach state -3 pitt -5 uconn -13, -8, and -10 st. johns -8, and a staggering -18 nova -15 and last but certainly not least PROVIDENCE -23!!!!!!!!!!!! rebounding is a major problem. Take these stats as you will, but here are the 5 opponents we played who finished in the top 50 for rebounding margin. Obviously playing so many really good rebounding teams effects our rebounding numbers somewhat. However, we let a couple teams not on list absolutely destroy us on the boards: UConn was #1 with 11.3 Pitt was #4 with 8.5 Davidson was #28 with 5.3 BC was #38 with 4.9 Oral Roberts was #47 with 4.3
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 25, 2005 13:12:42 GMT -5
Take these stats as you will, but here are the 5 opponents we played who finished in the top 50 for rebounding margin. Obviously playing so many really good rebounding teams effects our rebounding numbers somewhat. However, we let a couple teams not on list absolutely destroy us on the boards: UConn was #1 with 11.3 Pitt was #4 with 8.5 Davidson was #28 with 5.3 BC was #38 with 4.9 Oral Roberts was #47 with 4.3 True. However, when you look at the front line that started most of the year went 6-8.5, 6-8.5, and 7-2. I'd venture to guess that thats one of the tallest frontcourts in the conference and the country (UConn and Im sure a few others are right up there as well). The other frontcourt that played most was when DJ subbed in for Roy, and we went 6-5.5, 6-8.5, 6-8.5. Still not bad heightwise, and not something that Thomas really would have helped us with. The point I'm going for is that we have a pretty tall team as it stands. 6-7.5 Thomas wouldn't really have brought us much more height. The problem isn't that we don't have big players, the problem is that our frontcourt players are not very good rebounders (and some of the blame for this can fall on the system, not just the players themselves). Instead of trying to recruit yet another "big man" (one who is smaller than all of our starting frontcourt players), I think we just need to improve the rebounding of our current personnel. Our two best big men are only Freshmen, and we have another project big man who's also a freshman. I think their rebounding skills will improve in time, and its kinda short sighted to say "we're poor rebounders--we need to recruit a big man." We've got 2 promising young bigs and hopefully another one who's developing as we speak. Adding Thomas would not have made a huge difference in rebounding IMO--but improving the techniques of Jeff, Roy, and Cornelio this season hopefully will.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 25, 2005 13:24:02 GMT -5
When Roy was in, we weren't a bad rebounding squad. If things roll towards us ever being able to play Roy, Jeff, Brandon + two guards, I venture we'll be above average as a rebounding team.
But most of that revolves around Roy developing his whole game.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 25, 2005 13:24:12 GMT -5
i love watching missery (mizzou) go through tough times. its not even a rivalry for kansas anymore. they kill them in hoops and have taken the edge in football the past two years. missouri could certainly use someone like thomas, they are not a physical team except for klaiza. so his size is a plus for him, but i dont know how anyone could commit to play for quinn. Yeah, KU must not think it's much of a rivalry, especially after they put up billboards making fun of Quin and Mizzou. Give me a break, this will always be a rivalry, if just for the hate between bordering states.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Apr 25, 2005 13:54:51 GMT -5
For my money, last year's Hoya team was not a strong rebounding team. Equally as bad, though is that it's interior defense was weak. Decidely several cuts below the standard set by JTII's squads. While we may never approach that again, I for one, hope we can make marked improvement in that area. If not, I don't see the team seriously contending for Big East titles, let alone National Championships. Get real, fellas, we need help inside!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 25, 2005 14:13:38 GMT -5
For my money, last year's Hoya team was not a strong rebounding team. Equally as bad, though is that it's interior defense was weak. Decidely several cuts below the standard set by JTII's squads. While we may never approach that again, I for one, hope we can make marked improvement in that area. If not, I don't see the team seriously contending for Big East titles, let alone National Championships. Get real, fellas, we need help inside! Maybe someone is saying that we were a good rebounding team with good interior D, but it isn't me. I'm just not sure how DeAndre Thomas rectifies those issues. Our coach chose offensive skills over that (DJ) repeatedly in terms of PT last year. What's the point in bringing in Thomas if Roy was struggling to get PT? Thomas has to be a lot better than anyone says for him to get significant PT.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 25, 2005 14:28:19 GMT -5
True. However, when you look at the front line that started most of the year went 6-8.5, 6-8.5, and 7-2. I'd venture to guess that thats one of the tallest frontcourts in the conference and the country (UConn and Im sure a few others are right up there as well). The other frontcourt that played most was when DJ subbed in for Roy, and we went 6-5.5, 6-8.5, 6-8.5. Still not bad heightwise, and not something that Thomas really would have helped us with. But being 7'2" isn't going to help you rebound if you are: a) in the game for just 10 minutes b) when in the game inexplicably positioned at the top of the key when a three pointer is taken c) slightly overzealous in your attempts to block shots d) crashing offensive players are not boxed out effectively by the guards and small forwards While our team was not the best rebounding team by any margin, a lot of that had to do with our "four along the perimeter" set and poor boxing out by the smaller players. All too often a SF or PF sliced in from the perimeter, unimpeded to steal a rebound. That is a breakdown in discipline and fundamentals, not size.
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