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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 17:31:19 GMT -5
This is like that time when.....
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Post by SSHoya on May 22, 2018 20:11:58 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on May 22, 2018 21:03:32 GMT -5
That's damning. For servicemembers to express the desire to not so tacitly disrespect the chain of command speaks volumes. As a civilian, I find that scary.
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Post by tashoya on May 22, 2018 21:10:32 GMT -5
This is like that time when..... YaBoy, I don't know if you know this but Hillary didn't follow protocol with her email. I don't know how you can bother with any of this trivial stuff when that happened.
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Post by SSHoya on May 23, 2018 7:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on May 23, 2018 7:34:22 GMT -5
That's damning. For servicemembers to express the desire to not so tacitly disrespect the chain of command speaks volumes. As a civilian, I find that scary. Respect the office, not necessarily the person occupying the office and always be aware that you have a duty to disobey an illegal order.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 8:28:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 8:46:23 GMT -5
He uses the same tactics against law enforcement, intel agencies, civil service and the judiciary that he deploys against the media...
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Post by Elvado on May 23, 2018 8:51:58 GMT -5
He uses the same tactics against law enforcement, intel agencies, civil service and the judiciary that he deploys against the media... Those tactics are loathsome. However, as a general proposition, the media is deserving of them. We have a media which has devolved into wishing to be the news and be the story.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 9:49:30 GMT -5
He uses the same tactics against law enforcement, intel agencies, civil service and the judiciary that he deploys against the media... Those tactics are loathsome. However, as a general proposition, the media is deserving of them. We have a media which has devolved into wishing to be the news and be the story. Trump defines "fake news" as any story he doesn't like. It has nothing to do with the accuracy of the article or what is being written. If he thinks it makes him look bad, it's fake. And while he demands reporters be perfect, he tells a lie a minute. While they're are certainly bad reporters, the overwhelming majority do not deserve it imo.... He's purposefully gone directly at reporters, calling them out by name, over stories they've written that are 100% accurate.
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Post by Elvado on May 23, 2018 10:04:31 GMT -5
Those tactics are loathsome. However, as a general proposition, the media is deserving of them. We have a media which has devolved into wishing to be the news and be the story. Trump defines "fake news" as any story he doesn't like. It has nothing to do with the accuracy of the article or what is being written. If he thinks it makes him look bad, it's fake. And while he demands reporters be perfect, he tells a lie a minute. No, they do not deserve it imo.... He's purposefully gone directly at reporters, calling them out by name, over stories they've written that are 100% accurate. I respect your position here and have no doubt that Trump abuses many in his response to news he does not favor. I will however stand by my position that many in the media have devolved to self-aggrandizing wannabe stars who think they are the news.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 10:12:57 GMT -5
Trump defines "fake news" as any story he doesn't like. It has nothing to do with the accuracy of the article or what is being written. If he thinks it makes him look bad, it's fake. And while he demands reporters be perfect, he tells a lie a minute. No, they do not deserve it imo.... He's purposefully gone directly at reporters, calling them out by name, over stories they've written that are 100% accurate. I respect your position here and have no doubt that Trump abuses many in his response to news he does not favor. I will however stand by my position that many in the media have devolved to self-aggrandizing wannabe stars who think they are the news. Who on the right fits that description? Your opinion of the media has little to do with this tactic the President is employing against many different institutions. Would you also say "they deserve it" if a DEM President was saying and doing these things?
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Post by Elvado on May 23, 2018 10:38:22 GMT -5
I respect your position here and have no doubt that Trump abuses many in his response to news he does not favor. I will however stand by my position that many in the media have devolved to self-aggrandizing wannabe stars who think they are the news. Who on the right fits that description? Your opinion of the media has little to do with this tactic the President is employing against many different institutions. Would you also say "they deserve it" if a DEM President was saying and doing these things? My distaste for the media goes back decades. As for those on the right that fit the bill, take your pick. Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Coulter are all self-important gasbags who think events take place to give them something to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 11:00:23 GMT -5
Who on the right fits that description? Your opinion of the media has little to do with this tactic the President is employing against many different institutions. Would you also say "they deserve it" if a DEM President was saying and doing these things? My distaste for the media goes back decades. As for those on the right that fit the bill, take your pick. Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Coulter are all self-important gasbags who think events take place to give them something to talk about. Ok, that's fair, but that's why I'm confused by the "they deserve it" comment because the people you listed have never felt that ire from the President, and the majority of reporters aren't the Keith Olberman Sean Hannity types of people.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 11:13:02 GMT -5
Everything is for sale....
The Art of the Deal?
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Post by Elvado on May 23, 2018 11:13:12 GMT -5
My distaste for the media goes back decades. As for those on the right that fit the bill, take your pick. Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Coulter are all self-important gasbags who think events take place to give them something to talk about. Ok, that's fair, but that's why I'm confused by the "they deserve it" comment because the people you listed have never felt that ire from the President, and the majority of reporters aren't the Keith Olberman Sean Hannity types of people. My comments are informed by a long-held antipathy to “the media”. I am quite sure there are fine people throughout the media but as a group I find the media as currently constituted to be self-important, self-aggrandizing and more concerned with their own fame than fairness or accuracy. And that applies across politics, entertainment, sports,etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 11:33:29 GMT -5
Everything is for sale.... The Art of the Deal? That goes really well with this May 2nd article that states shortly after their meeting, Trump agreed to sell weapons to the Ukraine, and the Ukraine stopped cooperating with Mueller...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 11:42:45 GMT -5
Ok, that's fair, but that's why I'm confused by the "they deserve it" comment because the people you listed have never felt that ire from the President, and the majority of reporters aren't the Keith Olberman Sean Hannity types of people. My comments are informed by a long-held antipathy to “the media”. I am quite sure there are fine people throughout the media but as a group I find the media as currently constituted to be self-important, self-aggrandizing and more concerned with their own fame than fairness or accuracy. And that applies across politics, entertainment, sports,etc. He's going after reporters who report on him fairly and accurately. He doesn't care about people being fair and accurate. That's not part of the reason he utilizes this tactic.
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Post by Elvado on May 23, 2018 11:59:13 GMT -5
My comments are informed by a long-held antipathy to “the media”. I am quite sure there are fine people throughout the media but as a group I find the media as currently constituted to be self-important, self-aggrandizing and more concerned with their own fame than fairness or accuracy. And that applies across politics, entertainment, sports,etc. He's going after reporters who report on him fairly and accurately. He doesn't care about people being fair and accurate. That's not part of the reason he utilizes this tactic. I agree 100% with you there. I just loathe the media so much that I have no sympathy whatsoever. It is my own flaw. I recognize it and accept it.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 23, 2018 18:35:23 GMT -5
He uses the same tactics against law enforcement, intel agencies, civil service and the judiciary that he deploys against the media... "No one will believe you" isn't quite right. What he really meant but was unwilling to say was that many of the chumps and saps who continually buy his line of unmitigated bull will not believe them.
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