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Post by TC on May 21, 2018 16:20:57 GMT -5
People should sue him for defaming them when he tells lies about them. But I fail to see how denying an allegation made by someone rises to the level of an actionable offense. Is this really what we want our courts to be dealing with? Every time someone denies an allegation that the accuser thinks is true, the accuser brings a defamation suit? I read the language SS quoted, and I don't think those comments are particularly different from a simple denial ("false," "made up," "never happened"). They're a bit more colorful, sure, and probably not something that his lawyers would recommend that he say, but they really don't have any specific detail or meaning to them. If he suggested that she were trying to shake him down for money, that would be a different story. If he sexually harasses someone, the victim should sue him for the sexual harassment. Not for denying the sexual harassment to the press. Donald Trump threatened to sue The Onion for defamation:
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 17:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 17:49:23 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on May 21, 2018 19:36:42 GMT -5
Is it time to get long any company that makes gold-plated handcuffs?
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Post by TC on May 21, 2018 22:49:11 GMT -5
Broidy is the guy who supposedly paid a playboy model for an abortion through Cohen but turned out wasn't a client of Cohen's and was probably just covering for Trump - gee I wonder how he got dealt in to these contracts? Kickback for taking one for Trump.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 2:48:04 GMT -5
Who could have predicted this.... Lol
President Donald Trump uses a White House cellphone that isn’t equipped with sophisticated security features designed to shield his communications, according to two senior administration officials — a departure from the practice of his predecessors that potentially exposes him to hacking or surveillance.
The president, who relies on cellphones to reach his friends and millions of Twitter followers, has rebuffed staff efforts to strengthen security around his phone use, according to the administration officials.
The president uses at least two iPhones, according to one of the officials. The phones — one capable only of making calls, the other equipped only with the Twitter app and preloaded with a handful of news sites — are issued by White House Information Technology and the White House Communications Agency, an office staffed by military personnel that oversees White House telecommunications.
While aides have urged the president to swap out the Twitter phone on a monthly basis, Trump has resisted their entreaties, telling them it was “too inconvenient,” the same administration official said.
The president has gone as long as five months without having the phone checked by security experts. It is unclear how often Trump’s call-capable phones, which are essentially used as burner phones, are swapped out.
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Post by SSHoya on May 22, 2018 4:34:44 GMT -5
Who could have predicted this.... Lol President Donald Trump uses a White House cellphone that isn’t equipped with sophisticated security features designed to shield his communications, according to two senior administration officials — a departure from the practice of his predecessors that potentially exposes him to hacking or surveillance. The president, who relies on cellphones to reach his friends and millions of Twitter followers, has rebuffed staff efforts to strengthen security around his phone use, according to the administration officials. The president uses at least two iPhones, according to one of the officials. The phones — one capable only of making calls, the other equipped only with the Twitter app and preloaded with a handful of news sites — are issued by White House Information Technology and the White House Communications Agency, an office staffed by military personnel that oversees White House telecommunications. While aides have urged the president to swap out the Twitter phone on a monthly basis, Trump has resisted their entreaties, telling them it was “too inconvenient,” the same administration official said. The president has gone as long as five months without having the phone checked by security experts. It is unclear how often Trump’s call-capable phones, which are essentially used as burner phones, are swapped out. Trump is a walking security risk. I wonder how often he discusses N. Korea and China on his unsecure cellphones with his advisers at Fox?
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Post by Elvado on May 22, 2018 5:12:34 GMT -5
I wonder if he saves classified intel on a server in the can and has classified items sent to the laptop of the pedophile spouse of a top adviser?
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Post by TC on May 22, 2018 7:19:32 GMT -5
I wonder if he saves classified intel on a server in the can and has classified items sent to the laptop of the pedophile spouse of a top adviser? A guy who is raging about leaks and embedded spies and campaigned on information security and is in the middle of a trade dispute with the Chinese and nuclear talks with the North Koreans is still too lazy to get off of an unsecured phone...and all you got is "but her emails!" - it's the perfect example of how you are concerned about hypotheticals that never come/came to pass on the other side but turn a blind eye to anything on yours. Trump taking pictures in front of the American flag with convicted pedophiles if he can jack up the fee came out yesterday and I think it's pretty much the administration in a nutshell: qz.com/1284238/donald-trumps-photo-with-george-nader-cost-189000-in-rnc-donations/
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Post by Elvado on May 22, 2018 7:31:45 GMT -5
I wonder if he saves classified intel on a server in the can and has classified items sent to the laptop of the pedophile spouse of a top adviser? A guy who is raging about leaks and embedded spies and campaigned on information security and is in the middle of a trade dispute with the Chinese and nuclear talks with the North Koreans is still too lazy to get off of an unsecured phone...and all you got is "but her emails!" - it's the perfect example of how you are concerned about hypotheticals that never come/came to pass on the other side but turn a blind eye to anything on yours. Trump taking pictures in front of the American flag with convicted pedophiles if he can jack up the fee came out yesterday and I think it's pretty much the administration in a nutshell: qz.com/1284238/donald-trumps-photo-with-george-nader-cost-189000-in-rnc-donations/Boy oh boy. Like a carp to a worm... I was kidding.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 7:34:24 GMT -5
I wonder if he saves classified intel on a server in the can and has classified items sent to the laptop of the pedophile spouse of a top adviser? If you thought that was a big deal, and don't think this is? That says a lot about you, and was exactly my point... #Bothsides During a May 10 meeting in the Oval Office, the president betrayed his intelligence community by leaking the content of a classified, and highly sensitive, Israeli intelligence operation to two high-ranking Russian envoys, Sergey Kislyak and Sergey Lavrov. This is what he told them—and the ramifications. www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-intel-slip/amp
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 7:50:40 GMT -5
Marco Rubio:
Sadly #China is out-negotiating the administration & winning the trade talks right now. They have avoided tariffs & got a #ZTE deal without giving up anything meaningful in return by using N.Korea talks & agriculture issues as leverage. This is #NotWinning
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Post by Elvado on May 22, 2018 7:58:23 GMT -5
I wonder if he saves classified intel on a server in the can and has classified items sent to the laptop of the pedophile spouse of a top adviser? If you thought that was a big deal, and don't think this is? That says a lot about you, and was exactly my point... #Bothsides During a May 10 meeting in the Oval Office, the president betrayed his intelligence community by leaking the content of a classified, and highly sensitive, Israeli intelligence operation to two high-ranking Russian envoys, Sergey Kislyak and Sergey Lavrov. This is what he told them—and the ramifications. www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-intel-slip/ampI actually think this is a verybig deal and is much more troublesome than most of his antics. It should stop right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 8:25:29 GMT -5
He won't stop sooo.....
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 22, 2018 8:29:35 GMT -5
People should sue him for defaming them when he tells lies about them. But I fail to see how denying an allegation made by someone rises to the level of an actionable offense. Is this really what we want our courts to be dealing with? Every time someone denies an allegation that the accuser thinks is true, the accuser brings a defamation suit? I read the language SS quoted, and I don't think those comments are particularly different from a simple denial ("false," "made up," "never happened"). They're a bit more colorful, sure, and probably not something that his lawyers would recommend that he say, but they really don't have any specific detail or meaning to them. If he suggested that she were trying to shake him down for money, that would be a different story. If he sexually harasses someone, the victim should sue him for the sexual harassment. Not for denying the sexual harassment to the press. Donald Trump threatened to sue The Onion for defamation: Look, I despise the man and think he does abuse the legal system. All I was trying to say is that, reading the excerpt SS provided from the recent case, I was completely unconvinced. The language that the court quoted as being akin to the Boeheim statement was, in my view, not comparable. I don't doubt that Trump does make other comments that cross the line from denials to accusations regarding financial motives, etc. But I didn't see those kinds of statements in the excerpt from that opinion. And to SS's point about statutes of limitations on the underlying conduct having run, statutes of limitations exist for a reason. A complaintant/victim/plaintiff shouldn't be able to sidestep the S/L by making untimely allegations and then bringing a defamation suit when the denial comes.
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Post by SSHoya on May 22, 2018 9:38:20 GMT -5
Donald Trump threatened to sue The Onion for defamation: Look, I despise the man and think he does abuse the legal system. All I was trying to say is that, reading the excerpt SS provided from the recent case, I was completely unconvinced. The language that the court quoted as being akin to the Boeheim statement was, in my view, not comparable. I don't doubt that Trump does make other comments that cross the line from denials to accusations regarding financial motives, etc. But I didn't see those kinds of statements in the excerpt from that opinion. And to SS's point about statutes of limitations on the underlying conduct having run, statutes of limitations exist for a reason. A complaintant/victim/plaintiff shouldn't be able to sidestep the S/L by making untimely allegations and then bringing a defamation suit when the denial comes. CT, I understand your position and and it is a reasonable one. Trump has appealed the denial of immunity ( Clinton v. Jones makes this a tough argument to win) and the trial court's denial of Trump's argument that his comments are First Amendment protected speech and opinion. Perhaps the Appellate Division of New York Supreme Court will find for Trump on the second ground and reverse that ruling. I'm no expert on NY law but just spitballing here. Meanwhile, the NY Supreme Court says discovery may go forward. I have no knowledge of how slowly the Appellate Division operates and whether Zervos may be able to conduct any meaningful discovery pending the appeal.
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Post by SSHoya on May 22, 2018 12:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on May 22, 2018 14:11:12 GMT -5
Treasonous dotard and the Republican Party (for the most part) is complicit in its silence. And as far as I'm concerned more evidence of obstruction of justice and would love to see Nunes also indicted. Recruiting intelligence sources is hard at the best of times. And President Trump just made it harder. Observers have rightly criticized the recent efforts of both President Trump and House intelligence chairman Devin Nunes to uncover an FBI source as a blatant, cynical endeavor to derail Robert Mueller’s investigation by translating the normal functioning of governing into something sinister. By using confusing and charged language, Trump seems to believe he can build on his false narrative that there is a deep state—an internal enemy out to get him. Previously, the president crafted that narrative with the similarly unfounded charges that he was wiretapped and his aides were “unmasked” were similar subterfuge. These tactics risk damage to a variety of political and legal norms. They also harm the ability of U.S. intelligence, diplomatic and law enforcement to do their jobs. And this latest instance is particularly dire. www.lawfareblog.com/recruiting-intelligence-sources-president-trump-makes-hard-job-harderInteresting speculation on Rosenstein, Wray, and Coats meeting with the dotard which fits in with Nunes being a co-conspirator in obstruction of justice: I would suggest a third take on the meeting: Wray and Rosenstein, with Mueller’s full backing, might be setting up Trump. We know Mueller is already pursuing an obstruction-of-justice inquiry that might relate to acts such as Trump firing former FBI director James B. Comey, falsely accusing him of illegally leaking confidential material, pressuring Comey to drop the investigation into Michael Flynn, helping draft a phony cover story to explain the June 9 Trump Tower meeting and conducting an extended campaign to smear, discredit and disrupt the work of the FBI and the special counsel. In that vein, wouldn’t a meeting directly ordering Wray and Rosenstein to conduct what amounts to a wild goose chase and to put confidential material into the hands of congressional allies be part of the pattern of possible obstruction they are investigating? www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/05/22/did-rosenstein-and-wray-play-trump/?utm_term=.f8eeafab768f
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