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Post by badgerhoya on May 9, 2018 23:03:46 GMT -5
Another Hoya bites the dust. More of the "best people", E. Erin Walsh C '83: A high-ranking Department of Commerce official was escorted out of the department’s Washington, DC, headquarters by security last Thursday, according to three sources at the agency knowledgeable about the matter. It is unknown why Elizabeth Erin Walsh was removed from the building, but the sources told BuzzFeed News that there’s an internal investigation underway that involves her, although they could not provide details about the nature of the probe. Walsh was nominated by President Donald Trump in May 2017 to serve as assistant secretary of commerce for global markets and director general of the US and Foreign Commercial Service, a position she began last August, after being confirmed by the Senate by a voice vote. Walsh, a former Goldman Sachs vice president, previously served in the White House as special assistant to the president and associate director for presidential personnel. She has worked at the Department of State and Department of Energy and other federal government agencies for 12 years. Walsh declined to comment about her removal, or the current status of her position. A Commerce Department spokeswoman also declined to comment. www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/commerce-department-official-escorted-out?utm_term=.auPwJ0QYn#.ccADqXwr2I’ve got mishandling of classified materials in the Trump Scandal Bingo game. Anyone else want in?
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Post by tashoya on May 9, 2018 23:48:39 GMT -5
I am always concerned when the governed are robbed by the governing. The Clintons, who have been on the government or charitable teat since 1992 are worth hundreds of millions. This concerns me. Rest assured when Trump steps out of line, I will bitch as well. I was looking for clues as to what happened to kchoya other than just bowing out shortly after the election and came across this. I acknowledge that it's sort of silly but I would enjoy the promised bitching.
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Post by Elvado on May 10, 2018 5:04:59 GMT -5
Let me know when he does something wrong and I will start...
Would have responded sooner but was up watching the release of our prisoners without the plane load of cash Obama sent...
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 6:33:21 GMT -5
Trump is currently accepting bribes from Foreign Governments. He had the DOJ argue it was ok for him to do so. We don't have a partial, or incomplete list, we have no list. We don't have a clue as to how many sham LLC's he's created, or who he has received cash/loans from for the last 30 years. We know NOTHING. The guy has a self described "fixer" on his payroll. His "fixer" negotiates business deals, pays people off with bribes, and has one client, Trump. How can you guys manage to be so clueless... gph.is/18ZR7HNWait.. Who is treating whom differently?
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Post by Elvado on May 10, 2018 7:26:22 GMT -5
Trump is currently accepting bribes from Foreign Governments. He had the DOJ argue it was ok for him to do so. We don't have a partial, or incomplete list. We don't have a clue as to how many sham LLC's he's created, or who he has received cash/loans from for the last 30 years. We know NOTHING. The guy has a self described "fixer" on his payroll. His "fixer" negotiates business deals, pays people off with bribes, and has one client, Trump. How can you guys manage to be so clueless... gph.is/18ZR7HNWait.. Who is treating whom differently? Trump is a train wreck on every one of the points you just mentioned. It is clear that he has no intention of being above board about his finances or his misdeeds from before his election. It is also clear that there is a percentage of this country 40% or so that does not care
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 8:33:05 GMT -5
Let me know when he does something wrong and I will start... Clinton Foundation accepts foreign donations: "She's making money off of being in public office, and I don't like it." Mar-A-Lago fees double, Trump Hotel DC hosts countless foreign delegations and Republican events: "Let me know when he does something wrong..."
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Post by Elvado on May 10, 2018 8:58:58 GMT -5
Let me know when he does something wrong and I will start... Clinton Foundation accepts foreign donations: "She's making money off of being in public office, and I don't like it." Mar-A-Lago fees double, Trump Hotel DC hosts countless foreign delegations and Republican events: "Let me know when he does something wrong..." Sarcasm meter off today? Off course he has done wrong and I have gone silent on it. I am a hypocrite. Knowing the problem is the start to the cure.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 10, 2018 10:35:40 GMT -5
My problem is that I'm old enough (read as too old) to remember when political service was honorable, and politicians on both sides of the aisle worked together for the common good and welfare of this country. I don't think that those days will ever return.
Everything changed with the Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC, allowing disproportionate power to corporate lobbyists, and that toothpaste is out of the tube forever.
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Post by Elvado on May 10, 2018 10:53:22 GMT -5
My problem is that I'm old enough (read as too old) to remember when political service was honorable, and politicians on both sides of the aisle worked together for the common good and welfare of this country. I don't think that those days will ever return. Everything changed with the Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC, allowing disproportionate power to corporate lobbyists, and that toothpaste is out of the tube forever. I agree in large measure but the toxicity had its birth with Bork and Anita Hill. Personal destruction in both directions became coin of the realm and it has never abated.
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Post by SSHoya on May 10, 2018 11:00:32 GMT -5
How about Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn? Not a coincidence that Roy Cohn was Trump's mentor and hero. For author Sam Roberts, the essence of Cohn’s influence on Trump was the triad: “Roy was a master of situational immorality . . . . He worked with a three-dimensional strategy, which was: 1. Never settle, never surrender. 2. Counter-attack, counter-sue immediately. 3. No matter what happens, no matter how deeply into the muck you get, claim victory and never admit defeat.” As columnist Liz Smith once observed, “Donald lost his moral compass when he made an alliance with Roy Cohn.” www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-roy-cohn-relationship
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Post by Elvado on May 10, 2018 11:09:57 GMT -5
Agreed though before my time. I also think that episode had abated and there was collegiality and the sense of the greater good as displayed by people like Tip O’Neill and Ronald Reagan. I have never seen (with the exception of the immediate aftermath of 9/11) a common cause ethos since Bork and Hill.
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Post by SSHoya on May 10, 2018 11:20:32 GMT -5
McCarthy/Cohn also remarkable because it was the first time the mass media (now Trump's smears by tweets and coverage of same in all media providing a multiplier efect) was used:
Over 36 days, 20 million Americans watched. It was all there: Cohn and Schine’s jaunt to Europe, Cohn’s ultimatums, McCarthy’s smears. The high point came when the army’s sly Boston lawyer, Joseph Welch, shook his head in pained disbelief at McCarthy’s attempt to slander one of Welch’s own assistants, imploring the senator, “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last . . . ?” Within weeks, Cohn was banished and McCarthy was soon censured.
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Post by Elvado on May 10, 2018 11:28:51 GMT -5
McCarthy/Cohn also remarkable because it was the first time the mass media (now Trump's smears by tweets and coverage of same in all media providing a multiplier efect) was used: Over 36 days, 20 million Americans watched. It was all there: Cohn and Schine’s jaunt to Europe, Cohn’s ultimatums, McCarthy’s smears. The high point came when the army’s sly Boston lawyer, Joseph Welch, shook his head in pained disbelief at McCarthy’s attempt to slander one of Welch’s own assistants, imploring the senator, “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last . . . ?” Within weeks, Cohn was banished and McCarthy was soon censured. Well described. Cohn was banished and McCarthy was censured. All of the bad actors in the Bork and Hill episodes became leaders and elder statesmen of power. Biden, Hatch, Kennedy, Specter, Byrd, Simpson, Leahy, Grassley, etc etc
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 12:19:55 GMT -5
My problem is that I'm old enough (read as too old) to remember when political service was honorable, and politicians on both sides of the aisle worked together for the common good and welfare of this country. I don't think that those days will ever return. Everything changed with the Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC, allowing disproportionate power to corporate lobbyists, and that toothpaste is out of the tube forever. This nonsense definitely fuels the "Why does it matter if I vote, nothing is going to change sentiment". Who do you think Pols are going to look out for? You dance with the one that brought you. There's Dems doing the same thing so this isn't a Paul Ryan story, more of a "how f'd up our campaign finance laws are" story.
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Post by SSHoya on May 10, 2018 14:49:54 GMT -5
Let me know when he does something wrong and I will start... Clinton Foundation accepts foreign donations: "She's making money off of being in public office, and I don't like it." Mar-A-Lago fees double, Trump Hotel DC hosts countless foreign delegations and Republican events: "Let me know when he does something wrong..." This from a Republican: In the best-case scenario for Trump, investigators would find no evidence that Trump was aware of any of the possible Cohen influence-peddling and no evidence that Russian money made its way to anyone with whom Trump allegedly had affairs; Cohen’s work would not qualify as “lobbying” (for which he was not registered) and no quid pro quo would be uncovered. Imagine now — even if all of that were true — how Republicans would react if Cohen were the lawyer for a Democratic president. This arrangement makes the Clinton Foundation’s operation (lavish donations by those who later appeared to enjoy access to the Obama administration) look pristine. If Cohen was getting rich off a Democratic president, Republicans would be hollering about a massive bribery scheme and drafting articles of impeachment. www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/05/10/was-this-a-slush-fund-for-more-than-paying-off-a-porn-star/?utm_term=.783bc186b7c2
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Post by DallasHoya on May 10, 2018 15:03:45 GMT -5
My problem is that I'm old enough (read as too old) to remember when political service was honorable, and politicians on both sides of the aisle worked together for the common good and welfare of this country. I don't think that those days will ever return. Everything changed with the Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC, allowing disproportionate power to corporate lobbyists, and that toothpaste is out of the tube forever. This nonsense definitely fuels the "Why does it matter if I vote, nothing is going to change sentiment". Who do you think Pols are going to look out for? You dance with the one that brought you. There's Dems doing the same thing so this isn't a Paul Ryan story, more of a "how f'd up our campaign finance laws are" story. If you Google "millionaires funding Republican party" Google responds "Did you mean: billionaires funding Republican party." If you Google "millionaires funding Democratic party" Google responds "Did you mean: billionaires funding Democratic party." That says all you need to know about politics.
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Post by TC on May 10, 2018 15:22:24 GMT -5
Well described. Cohn was banished and McCarthy was censured. All of the bad actors in the Bork and Hill episodes became leaders and elder statesmen of power. Biden, Hatch, Kennedy, Specter, Byrd, Simpson, Leahy, Grassley, etc etc I'll fix it for you: All of theThe bad actor s in the Hill episode became leaders and elder statesmen of power a Supreme Court Justice.
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Post by Elvado on May 10, 2018 15:36:15 GMT -5
Well described. Cohn was banished and McCarthy was censured. All of the bad actors in the Bork and Hill episodes became leaders and elder statesmen of power. Biden, Hatch, Kennedy, Specter, Byrd, Simpson, Leahy, Grassley, etc etc I'll fix it for you: All of theThe bad actor s in the Hill episode became leaders and elder statesmen of power a Supreme Court Justice. You are of course entitled to your opinion, and I am no Thomas apologist; but if you think the Senators involved did not disgrace themselves and their positions you are delusional.
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Post by hoya95 on May 10, 2018 15:52:05 GMT -5
There is no such thing as rock bottom.
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Post by SSHoya on May 10, 2018 16:23:41 GMT -5
There is no such thing as rock bottom. When Trump starts yanking White House press credentials and goes full authoritarian we'll be hitting rock bottom. Can't wait for his asinine money wasting parade. He'll claim its about the military but it will simply be all about him -- the chicken hawk draft dodger. He was so impressed with Macron's Bastille Day parade that he feels the need to attempt the same. Trump desires to destroy all democratic norms and institutions in this country with the cooperation of the complicit and spineless Republicans led by the disgraceful Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.
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