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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 12:18:22 GMT -5
Gotcha... But is it normal that the expulsion would not result in a reduction of people? It appears they told Russia, this 60 has to leave but you can send 60 different spies, or am I misreading this? Not seeing where you see that Russia is allowed to send another 60. There is a total reduction in diplomats/spies. The closing of the RUSCON-Seattle, 48 from RUSEMB-DC plus 12 from RFMUN-NY works a permanent reduction in the staffing of RIS/diplomats in the US. USIC would work with DOS to determine which ones to PNG and may be a mix of actual diplomats and RIS officers. Expulsions will disrupt the RIS operational intelligence capabilities in the same way the Russian expulsion of US diplomats/spies and the closure of the St. Pete US Consulate will do to the US. This is what I'm confused by: Russia can replace expelled diplomats: US official www.yahoo.com/news/russia-replace-expelled-diplomats-us-official-195003921.html
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 1, 2018 12:30:24 GMT -5
Not seeing where you see that Russia is allowed to send another 60. There is a total reduction in diplomats/spies. The closing of the RUSCON-Seattle, 48 from RUSEMB-DC plus 12 from RFMUN-NY works a permanent reduction in the staffing of RIS/diplomats in the US. USIC would work with DOS to determine which ones to PNG and may be a mix of actual diplomats and RIS officers. Expulsions will disrupt the RIS operational intelligence capabilities in the same way the Russian expulsion of US diplomats/spies and the closure of the St. Pete US Consulate will do to the US. This is what I'm confused by: Russia can replace expelled diplomats: US official www.yahoo.com/news/russia-replace-expelled-diplomats-us-official-195003921.htmlPersonally, I'm somewhat skeptical of the AFP report. There has been no such report in the US press (at least to my knowledge) and would be surprised that no news organizations like the NYT or WaPO, WSJ would have followed up and confirmed. I see that Business Insider, USA Today had that report -- but see the number of personnel the USEMB has in Moscow compared to RUSEMB in DC -- on a proportionate basis, 48 from RUSEMB hurts Russia a lot more. Perhaps, Post, NYT, WSJ did follow up but couldn't confirm the AFP report. www.businessinsider.com/theres-a-huge-caveat-in-the-us-expulsion-of-60-russian-diplomats-2018-3 In any event, even if the AFP report is accurate, it would take years for the RIS to rebuild its capability -- DOS/USIC would not allow a 100% replacement of dips/RIS officers to occur immediately. And if that did occur, I'm certain some career DOS official would leak that to the press. So while the stated number of official cover slots may remain the same, that doesn't mean that they will be filled. DOS can refuse to accredit replacements and deny visas after consultation with the USIC. Also, not all RIS officers are under official cover, many are under NOC - non-official cover - like the Russian banker who had dealings with Carter Page. That's why Buryakov went to jail -- he had no diplomatic immunity. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-trump-adviser-admits-to-2015-communication-with-russian-spy/2017/04/04/a09d7384-193b-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.52007e48573b
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 12:39:50 GMT -5
Personally, I'm somewhat skeptical of the AFP report. There has been no such report in the US press (at least to my knowledge) and would be surprised that no news organizations like the NYT or WaPO, WSJ would have followed up and confirmed. Perhaps, they did follow up but couldn't confirm the AFP report. In any event, even if the AFP report is accurate, it would take years for the RIS to rebuild its capability -- DOS/USIC would not allow a 100% replacement of dips/RIS officers to occur immediately. And if that did occur, I'm certain some career DOS official would leak that to the press. So while the stated number of official cover slots may remain the same, that doesn't mean that they will be filled. DOS can refuse to accredit replacements and deny visas after consultation with the USIC. Also, not all RIS officers are under official cover, many are under NOC - non-official cover - like the Russian banker who had dealings with Carter Page. That's why Buryakov went to jail -- he had no diplomatic immunity. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-trump-adviser-admits-to-2015-communication-with-russian-spy/2017/04/04/a09d7384-193b-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.52007e48573bThat makes sense, thx!.... I think this is where they are getting it from... Oren Dorell Foreign affairs and breaking news, USA TODAY Network I've been to almost all Lower 48 and a few countries. Profile photo is my father: usat.ly/2jXIiOM
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 1, 2018 12:42:33 GMT -5
Personally, I'm somewhat skeptical of the AFP report. There has been no such report in the US press (at least to my knowledge) and would be surprised that no news organizations like the NYT or WaPO, WSJ would have followed up and confirmed. Perhaps, they did follow up but couldn't confirm the AFP report. In any event, even if the AFP report is accurate, it would take years for the RIS to rebuild its capability -- DOS/USIC would not allow a 100% replacement of dips/RIS officers to occur immediately. And if that did occur, I'm certain some career DOS official would leak that to the press. So while the stated number of official cover slots may remain the same, that doesn't mean that they will be filled. DOS can refuse to accredit replacements and deny visas after consultation with the USIC. Also, not all RIS officers are under official cover, many are under NOC - non-official cover - like the Russian banker who had dealings with Carter Page. That's why Buryakov went to jail -- he had no diplomatic immunity. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-trump-adviser-admits-to-2015-communication-with-russian-spy/2017/04/04/a09d7384-193b-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.52007e48573bThat makes sense, thx!.... I think this is where they are getting it from... Oren Dorell Foreign affairs and breaking news, USA TODAY Network I've been to almost all Lower 48 and a few countries. Profile photo is my father: usat.ly/2jXIiOM Yes, found Business Insider report so I edited my initial response to you re: replacements.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 2, 2018 5:12:24 GMT -5
More propaganda for liar Trump. Isn't any Trump enabler/supporter/sycophant sick of the constant stream of lies yet? But then again Trump supporters apparently lack the cognitive ability to discern truth from lies. Earlier this month, CNN’s Brian Stelter broke the news that Sinclair Broadcast Group, owner or operator of nearly 200 television stations in the U.S., would be forcing its news anchors to record a promo about “the troubling trend of irresponsible, one sided news stories plaguing our country.” The script, which parrots Donald Trump’s oft-declarations of developments negative to his presidency as “fake news,” brought upheaval to newsrooms already dismayed with Sinclair’s consistent interference to bring right-wing propaganda to local television broadcasts. theconcourse.deadspin.com/how-americas-largest-local-tv-owner-turned-its-news-anc-1824233490The moron's reliance on Fox & Friends continues: Trump, a self-proclaimed “Fox & Friends” fan, appears to have fired off the tweets in response to a segment on the program in the morning (at least the National Border Patrol Council sees a connection, it claimed in a post afterward). www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/01/why-a-u-s-bound-caravan-of-central-american-migrants-is-getting-trumps-attention/?utm_term=.7f9341b7b1b7
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 9:55:40 GMT -5
“Nothing says ‘we value independent media’ like dozens of reporters forced to repeat the same message over and over again like members of a brainwashed cult.”
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Post by TC on Apr 2, 2018 10:19:29 GMT -5
Kremlin reports that Putin has been invited to the White House. White House doesn't tell us that. The Kremlin does. www.ft.com/content/da8c7056-367f-11e8-8eee-e06bde01c544The 60 diplomats thing - I haven't seen any legitimate media report it and I don't speak Russian so I have no idea what was said on Russian State TV, but I don't know how you can argue that those sanctions have any actual teeth whatsoever if you're offering White House invites at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 12:09:41 GMT -5
Jennifer Rubin Conservative blogger
"This casts Trump’s congratulations to Putin despite the “DO NOT CONGRATULATE” warning from advisers in an even more ominous light. Trump seems bound and determined to stay in Putin’s good graces"
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 2, 2018 19:27:32 GMT -5
Only 14 months of the Trump Administration and already the most corrupt in United States history. No doubt you GOPers are proud of your morally bankrupt and corrosive party. McConnell and Ryan are also going down in history as feckless opportunists (all for a tax cut), bereft of any ethical compass. Good for you, GOP! Not only has Trump made no effort to raise ethical standards but he and his administration have flamboyantly violated the existing guidelines. Lobbyists are seeded in every agency, “regulating” their former employers and designing rules that favor bosses over employees and business owners over consumers. The problem of former government officials’ being paid by foreign governments has been superseded by the far larger problem of current government officials’ being paid by foreign governments. nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/corruption-is-trumps-greatest-political-liability.html
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 2, 2018 20:24:56 GMT -5
“Nothing says ‘we value independent media’ like dozens of reporters forced to repeat the same message over and over again like members of a brainwashed cult.” Paddy Cheyefsky, where are you when we need you? What's going on now makes Network look like a stroll in the park.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 2, 2018 22:12:15 GMT -5
Only 14 months of the Trump Administration and already the most corrupt in United States history. No doubt you GOPers are proud of your morally bankrupt and corrosive party. McConnell and Ryan are also going down in history as feckless opportunists (all for a tax cut), bereft of any ethical compass. Good for you, GOP! They could not possibly care less. In a similar vein, I enjoyed this:
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 3, 2018 20:22:18 GMT -5
Only 14 months of the Trump Administration and already the most corrupt in United States history. No doubt you GOPers are proud of your morally bankrupt and corrosive party. McConnell and Ryan are also going down in history as feckless opportunists (all for a tax cut), bereft of any ethical compass. Good for you, GOP! They could not possibly care less. In a similar vein, I enjoyed this: The problem with this cartoon is that the evangelicals can't read his mind. The sad part is that they would be saying the same thing if Trump were humping a girl against the cross.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 3, 2018 22:25:45 GMT -5
They could not possibly care less. In a similar vein, I enjoyed this: The problem with this cartoon is that the evangelicals can't read his mind. The sad part is that they would be saying the same thing if Trump were humping a girl against the cross. Right. The problem isn't that they can't read his mind. It's that they couldn't care less to try. They'll justify their support in whatever way is expedient. Like him being a devout Christian. I think it's brilliant in the sense that President Trump cares about as much about the beliefs of the evangelicals as they do about his behavior. Also, the Trump line is probably right on.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 5, 2018 5:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 16:36:46 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Apr 5, 2018 19:45:13 GMT -5
Then what about the NDA?
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 5, 2018 21:02:52 GMT -5
Uh, so? Please remember that in Trumpspeak, no means yes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 8:27:31 GMT -5
Well, he ("David Dennison") never signed it. So he actually has some degree of deniability here!
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 7, 2018 6:12:45 GMT -5
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Post by DallasHoya on Apr 7, 2018 9:46:27 GMT -5
Gotta love the caption “(left)”
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