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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 11:44:52 GMT -5
You know what else we're not doing? Criticizing Trump over Crimea... Clinton Foundation: - Corrupt - Selling out our country - Criminal enterprise - At minimum violated the spirit of the law Trump Org: Crickets Shrinking Deficits under Obama: OweBama!!!! Growing Deficits under Trump: So what's on tv tonight? When you were talking about taxes you said you vote with your wallet, a tacit admission that you supported Trump. Before the election you had a post saying if we supported Hillary Clinton we were complicit in all of her actions. Now you're acting like you get to buy the parts of Trump you like, and throw back what you don't like about Trump... Pretty close but still wrong. I will not defend Trump’s indefensible failures unlike Barry’s choir... What should we have done in the Ukraine and Syria and how has our policy changed under the guy you support and are silent on?
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 24, 2018 11:59:05 GMT -5
Yesterday you said Obama folks were silent when he failed, now you’re saying they defended him no matter what.. Seems to me you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.. No. Where were the Obamaphiles when Putin went into the Crimea? Where were they when Syria crossed his red line with no repercussions? Did those offenses not matter because they occurred in his watch? They stood by silently. However, when someone dares mention his failings, they come out like an Amen chorus to defend his every misstep. Their fealty is laudable, albeit misguided. Here are some previous threads on Crimea & Syria, they don't read like silence or an amen chorus at all.. Seems to me you're misremembering how those discussions went.. In the Syria thread SShoya who's one of the most ardent Trump detractors on the board called Obama out on his red line stance.. I found some of your posts in that thread enlightening as well btw.. hoyatalk2.proboards.com/board/8/blue-gray-board?q=crimeahoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/27299/syria
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Post by TC on Mar 24, 2018 13:25:32 GMT -5
Pretty close but still wrong. I will not defend Trump’s indefensible failures unlike Barry’s choir... Right, you'll just redirect to Obama or Clinton rather than concede or discuss any point on Trump. Your disingenuousness knows no bounds.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 24, 2018 13:37:24 GMT -5
Pretty close but still wrong. I will not defend Trump’s indefensible failures unlike Barry’s choir... Right, you'll just redirect to Obama or Clinton rather than concede or discuss any point on Trump. Your disingenuousness knows no bounds. [b Much like your self-righteousness. It must feel great to always be so right or, at least in your case, so sure.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 25, 2018 21:24:24 GMT -5
Pretty much nailed it. Let's not act like all of a sudden the Obama haters are the objective ones. I don't recall Elvado ripping Trump over PR but I do remember him doing so to Obama over the 2016 floods in Louisiana. Which was worse? Which continues to be worse over a half of a year later? Are Republicans chirping about that? They weren't even upset when PR got hit. Tas you are spot on. I have not ripped Trump. But unlike the Barry O crowd, I do not zealously defend his failures. The Obama crowd defends their man almost as a matter of faith which is disturbing. Which is, certainly, your right. I guess the inconsistency confuses me though, honestly, I didn't mean to take issue with you specifically. Clearly, you're not a fan of Obama (to put it mildly) and, considering what you've written about your own stances on things, you're not solidly a Trump guy either. I suppose that's why the inconsistency confuses me as I know people with similar thoughts as those you've posted here. Not ripping Trump for similar or, in many times, worse actions along similar lines seems odd is all. But I suppose it's my own bias. I'm not vehemently anti-Obama nor am I remotely a fan of Trump. Maybe if I were in either of those camps, I'd understand it more easily.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 26, 2018 5:04:55 GMT -5
Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. There are plenty of people out here ripping Trump’s myriad missteps. My voice is not necessary. What you will not hear from me is the defense of the indefensible. And that is where I depart from Barry’s Amen choir.
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Post by TC on Mar 26, 2018 7:34:52 GMT -5
Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. There are plenty of people out here ripping Trump’s myriad missteps. My voice is not necessary. What you will not hear from me is the defense of the indefensible. And that is where I depart from Barry’s Amen choir. Rough translation : I shouldn't be held responsible for my own words, and even thought I constantly demand it from others I'm not going to bother to criticize my own party. Blah Blah Blah Obama.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 26, 2018 8:11:01 GMT -5
Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. There are plenty of people out here ripping Trump’s myriad missteps. My voice is not necessary. What you will not hear from me is the defense of the indefensible. And that is where I depart from Barry’s Amen choir. Rough translation : I shouldn't be held responsible for my own words, and even thought I constantly demand it from others I'm not going to bother to criticize my own party. Blah Blah Blah Obama. Good summary. On that topic, nice to see Barry announce his aspiration to create a million more of himself and Michele. No ego issue there.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 26, 2018 9:20:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 9:59:34 GMT -5
The way you're framing this debate is pretty ridiculous. Last week you were defending Trump's purge of the FBI, I'm sure plenty would view that as indefensible. Just because you, or I, say something is indefensible, doesn't make that true. Either way, It's fun watching a human twist himself into a pretzel...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 10:11:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 11:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 28, 2018 15:54:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 12:47:20 GMT -5
Probably not a good idea to have a President who has a bunch of NDA's running around....
It's unfortunate, but tbf, it's not as bad as hiring your unqualified family member to be in charge of everything, and him using that status to gain access to classified information, that he would then use to dime out dissidents, in order to curry favor from their leader.
Even though the Saudi leader claims he has Kushner "in his back pocket" it's probably nothing...
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 30, 2018 10:56:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 10:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 31, 2018 11:16:36 GMT -5
The expulsion of Russian "diplomats" (aka known as or suspected Russian Intelligence Service (RIS) officers) and closure of facilities such as consulates and other compounds was normal especially during the Cold War. However, in other instances when known or suspected RIS officers ("known" and "suspected" are terms of art at the FBI based upon the facts known the individual) are PNG'ed out of the US, the President takes a leadership role in announcing the departures. See Obama in 2016 (expulsion of 35 and closure of facilities for interference in US elections -- which Trump talked about reopening!) (G.W. Bush in 2001 (50 Russians expelled over the Richard Hansen spy episode). Reagan also expelled 5r or so RIS officers back in 1986. So what is not normal is that Trump aka Putin's Puppet has been virtually silent on the expulsions/closures even though he agreed to the expulsions. When asked about whether he believed Russia poisoned the former spy and his daughter in Salisbury, his response (I think the press yelled at him at some press avail, he hasn't had a real news conference in months) was "Yeah, looks like it." That was his sole public response on this issue. An absolute failure of leadership. Why? Is he compromised by his mentor Putin? abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93761&page=1www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/10/22/us-expelling-55-soviet-diplomats-as-clash-escalates/37e470a0-3fbd-4189-aa5b-7fd499f9707a/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 10:46:31 GMT -5
The expulsion of Russian "diplomats" (aka known as or suspected Russian Intelligence Service (RIS) officers) and closure of facilities such as consulates and other compounds was normal especially during the Cold War. However, in other instances when known or suspected RIS officers ("known" and "suspected" are terms of art at the FBI based upon the facts known the individual) are PNG'ed out of the US, the President takes a leadership role in announcing the departures. See Obama in 2016 (expulsion of 35 and closure of facilities for interference in US elections -- which Trump talked about reopening!) (G.W. Bush in 2001 (50 Russians expelled over the Richard Hansen spy episode). Reagan also expelled 5r or so RIS officers back in 1986. So what is not normal is that Trump aka Putin's Puppet has been virtually silent on the expulsions/closures even though he agreed to the expulsions. When asked about whether he believed Russia poisoned the former spy and his daughter in Salisbury, his response (I think the press yelled at him at some press avail, he hasn't had a real news conference in months) was "Yeah, looks like it." That was his sole public response on this issue. An absolute failure of leadership. Why? Is he compromised by his mentor Putin? abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93761&page=1www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/10/22/us-expelling-55-soviet-diplomats-as-clash-escalates/37e470a0-3fbd-4189-aa5b-7fd499f9707a/Gotcha... But is it normal that the expulsion would not result in a reduction of people? It appears they told Russia, this 60 has to leave but you can send 60 different spies, or am I misreading this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 10:46:42 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 1, 2018 11:57:50 GMT -5
The expulsion of Russian "diplomats" (aka known as or suspected Russian Intelligence Service (RIS) officers) and closure of facilities such as consulates and other compounds was normal especially during the Cold War. However, in other instances when known or suspected RIS officers ("known" and "suspected" are terms of art at the FBI based upon the facts known the individual) are PNG'ed out of the US, the President takes a leadership role in announcing the departures. See Obama in 2016 (expulsion of 35 and closure of facilities for interference in US elections -- which Trump talked about reopening!) (G.W. Bush in 2001 (50 Russians expelled over the Richard Hansen spy episode). Reagan also expelled 5r or so RIS officers back in 1986. So what is not normal is that Trump aka Putin's Puppet has been virtually silent on the expulsions/closures even though he agreed to the expulsions. When asked about whether he believed Russia poisoned the former spy and his daughter in Salisbury, his response (I think the press yelled at him at some press avail, he hasn't had a real news conference in months) was "Yeah, looks like it." That was his sole public response on this issue. An absolute failure of leadership. Why? Is he compromised by his mentor Putin? abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93761&page=1www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/10/22/us-expelling-55-soviet-diplomats-as-clash-escalates/37e470a0-3fbd-4189-aa5b-7fd499f9707a/Gotcha... But is it normal that the expulsion would not result in a reduction of people? It appears they told Russia, this 60 has to leave but you can send 60 different spies, or am I misreading this? Not seeing where you see that Russia is allowed to send another 60. There is a total reduction in diplomats/spies. The closing of the RUSCON-Seattle, 48 from RUSEMB-DC plus 12 from RFMUN-NY works a permanent reduction in the staffing of RIS/diplomats in the US. USIC would work with DOS to determine which ones to PNG and may be a mix of actual diplomats and RIS officers. Expulsions will disrupt the RIS operational intelligence capabilities in the same way the Russian expulsion of US diplomats/spies and the closure of the St. Pete US Consulate will do to the US.
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