DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 11, 2017 12:34:02 GMT -5
Line of the day, paraphrased, from Twitter: if the NY Times could have someone inside the WH providing them this information, what more is Robert Mueller finding?
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 11, 2017 12:48:00 GMT -5
Line of the day, paraphrased, from Twitter: if the NY Times could have someone inside the WH providing them this information, what more is Robert Mueller finding? In my conspiratorial fantasy world, H.R. McMaster became an FBI confidential informant when he replaced Flynn!!!  |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 11, 2017 13:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 11, 2017 13:56:06 GMT -5
Amoral Republicans could never solve this puzzle. Huckabee Sanders currently stonewalling the press in another off camera press conference. These amoral b*stards can run but they can't hide. Quite fitting that Trump Jr. has hired a mob lawyer. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 11, 2017 14:22:44 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Jul 11, 2017 14:33:24 GMT -5
Lock him up. Impeach his father. Let Pence serve out the term. A National disgrace. Still happy Hillary never got elected. Yes, I loathe her that much. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 11, 2017 14:46:47 GMT -5
Lies, collusion, and more lies!!! If we don't want a breach, we have to impeach.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 15:21:06 GMT -5
Lock him up. Impeach his father. Let Pence serve out the term. A National disgrace. Still happy Hillary never got elected. Yes, I loathe her that much. SAD! |
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 11, 2017 15:26:06 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Jul 11, 2017 15:29:13 GMT -5
Lock him up. Impeach his father. Let Pence serve out the term. A National disgrace. Still happy Hillary never got elected. Yes, I loathe her that much. SAD! Sad, maybe. But honest. I truly loathe her that much and could not bear to see her win. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 11, 2017 15:54:47 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 11, 2017 19:46:33 GMT -5
Lock him up. Impeach his father. Let Pence serve out the term. A National disgrace. Still happy Hillary never got elected. Yes, I loathe her that much. I admire your honesty, Elvado, even if I couldn't agree less. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 11, 2017 20:01:44 GMT -5
I don't understand what's going on here. I get the strategy that you release things for transparency when you absolutely know they are going to hit in the next five minutes. However, when your whole defense is "the news is fake" why are you proving it to be 100% real by completely substantiating it? That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for them. My only guess is that whoever's been leaking all the previous information was going to leak all the e-mails and this is Junior's desperate attempt to get ahead of the story --- although, as you say, it destroys the entire White House strategy of calling the Russian story "fake news". It also starkly demonstrates what a group of liars are on the White House staff and sort of throws them under the bus. I have to disagree here, SS. The fake news argument has always worked for the Trump team regardless of how ridiculous it seemed, and it will continue to work for a reasonably large segment of the populace. My wife and I have a doctor friend who loves Trump, has loved him since he announced his candidacy. I spoke to him last week, and he still thinks Trump is doing a great job, and that I'm a hater. He is convinced that nothing will come of the Russia investigation (although I do wonder if he still feels that way), and loves the health care plan. It's like we're living in two different worlds, and never the twain shall meet. And while I know my story is anecdotal, I'm convinced that there are millions more out there like him. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 11, 2017 20:15:51 GMT -5
My only guess is that whoever's been leaking all the previous information was going to leak all the e-mails and this is Junior's desperate attempt to get ahead of the story --- although, as you say, it destroys the entire White House strategy of calling the Russian story "fake news". It also starkly demonstrates what a group of liars are on the White House staff and sort of throws them under the bus. I have to disagree here, SS. The fake news argument has always worked for the Trump team regardless of how ridiculous it seemed, and it will continue to work for a reasonably large segment of the populace. My wife and I have a doctor friend who loves Trump, has loved him since he announced his candidacy. I spoke to him last week, and he still thinks Trump is doing a great job, and that I'm a hater. He is convinced that nothing will come of the Russia investigation (although I do wonder if he still feels that way), and loves the health care plan. It's like we're living in two different worlds, and never the twain shall meet. And while I know my story is anecdotal, I'm convinced that there are millions more out there like him. I'm sure there are millions more (the Trump base of 35-40%) but am hopeful that there will be a slow erosion of that base once it becomes politically unsustainable for Trump to remain as President. The spineless GOP will chuck him overboard for Pence once it is clear it can accomplish nothing with its own "useful idiot" as President. At least that's my hope. If Trump's departure doesn't come to pass I will sadly view my country in a harsher light than ever before. Has you doc been able to explain in rational terms why he supports Trump? Could you pose to him whether he thinks there is a moral component to the leadership of the United States as I tried to do here and resulted in a poster departing this discussion with no coherent answer from him? And this analysis is from late May of this year: But the theory isn’t supported by the evidence. To the contrary, Trump’s base seems to be eroding. There’s been a considerable decline in the number of Americans who strongly approve of Trump, from a peak of around 30 percent in February to just 21 or 22 percent of the electorate now. (The decline in Trump’s strong approval ratings is larger than the overall decline in his approval ratings, in fact.) Far from having unconditional love from his base, Trump has already lost almost a third of his strong support. And voters who strongly disapprove of Trump outnumber those who strongly approve of him by about a 2-to-1 ratio, which could presage an “enthusiasm gap” that works against Trump at the midterms. The data suggests, in particular, that the GOP’s initial attempt (and failure) in March to pass its unpopular health care bill may have cost Trump with his core supporters. fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-base-is-shrinking/And from June: Disenchanted Republicans are partially responsible for that dip — a major sign that support from Republican voters is starting to erode. During his first months in office, Trump appeared to do no wrong in the eyes of his core supporters, who have consistently given him high ratings despite endless Russia-related scandals and lack of progress on his legislative agenda. After his first 100 days in office, 83 percent of Republicans polled still approved of Trump’s job performance. That number has now dropped to 72 percent. www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/20/15836794/russia-investigation-republican-voters |
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Post by tashoya on Jul 11, 2017 20:36:21 GMT -5
I'm still confused by a doctor loving a health care plan under which 20+ million Americans will lose coverage with no realistic contingency plan in place.
SS, I broached the morality subject with the same poster and the response was simply that he didn't agree that this president has no moral compass. He could be right, I suppose, but most of what Trump says and does and tweets say otherwise. I've not heard or read a cogent argument in support of Trump's sense of morality outside of his family saying how great of a guy he is or Trump himself saying how great he is. Usually, if you have to tell people that have seen you in action how great you are, it's news to the people you're telling. That certainly appears to be true in this case.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 12, 2017 5:11:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 5:46:22 GMT -5
Amazing how anytime there's a huge story Fox manages to manufacture a bogus controversy. What happened to the huge "unmasking" scandal?
While the right screams their "collusion's not a crime" talking point, do people actually think a person who might be compromised by the Kremlin should be controlling the US Armed Forces? At this point it looks like the right is more interested with protecting Trump, than protecting America.
The fact we just pulled a 180 and accepted their Syria position out of nowhere should raise eyebrows. The fact their working behind the scenes to water down, or kill a Russian sanctions bill should raise eyebrows. The fact they pushed to remove sanctions on the Russians the minute they were sworn in should raise eyebrows etc etc etc....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 6:15:18 GMT -5
As SS pointed out above, Trump aides helped draft Don Jr's initial statement aboard AF1. POTUS signed off.
This wasn't Jr being a idiot, this was an attempted cover-up. They would be screaming "fake news" right now if the Times didn't have the goods. Lying is the default position for this White House...
Interesting timeline:
June 3rd: 1st email from Goldberb saying Russian government is working to elect Trump and one of their assets has dirt on Hillary Clinton.
June 7 - 5:16 PM - Don Jr. confirms meeting w/ Russian asset
June 7 - 9:13 PM Trump promises major speech the next week on Hillary Clinton.
Does anybody think Trump didn't now what his son was doing? Just coincidence, right?
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 12, 2017 6:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 12, 2017 6:27:13 GMT -5
As SS pointed out above, Trump aides helped draft Don Jr's initial statement aboard AF1. POTUS signed off. This wasn't Jr being a idiot, this was an attempted cover-up. They would be screaming "fake news" right now if the Times didn't have the goods. Lying is the default position for this White House... Interesting timeline: June 3rd: 1st email from Goldberb saying Russian government is working to elect Trump and one of their assets has dirt on Hillary Clinton. June 7 - 5:16 PM - Don Jr. confirms meeting w/ Russian asset June 7 - 9:13 PM Trump promises major speech the next week on Hillary Clinton. Does anybody think Trump didn't now what his son was doing? Just coincidence, right? Re: POTUS signing off on Junior's initial statement on Saturday, I'm ruminating whether his involvement may be another brick in the wall of an obstruction of justice charge. Since POTUS now knows he is a subject (if not target . . . yet) of an FBI investigation, is sending out your son to lie about a heretofore undisclosed meeting involving Junior, your then-campaign manager Manafort and Kushner with an agent of a hostile foreign power an attempt to mislead FBI investigators (albeit a clumsy and incompetent one)? |
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