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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 11:26:28 GMT -5
thehill.com/homenews/administration/338266-trump-administration-pushing-to-weaken-russia-sanctions-bill-reportPresident Trump’s White House is expected to push House Republicans to change the Senate’s Russia sanctions bill to make it more friendly to Russia, according to a new report. Shocker..... Instead of formulating a strict response to Russia's continued attack Trump is busy trying to block and water down sanctions. _____________ U.S. Department of Education says it will scale back investigations into civil rights violations at public schools www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/politics/education-department-civil-rights-betsy-devos.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0____ U.S. Commission on Civil Rights will launch an investigation of the Trump administration, citing “grave concerns” The United States Commission on Civil Rights, a bipartisan agency charged with advising the president and Congress on civil rights matters, unanimously approved a comprehensive two-year probe into the “degree to which current budgets and staffing levels allow civil rights offices to perform” their functions within the administration, said the agency in a statement. The federal watchdog group became concerned about the Trump administration after several agencies announced budget and personnel cuts in departments that oversee civil rights. The "proposed cuts would result in a dangerous reduction of civil rights enforcement across the country, leaving communities of color, LGBT people, older people, people with disabilities, and other marginalized groups exposed to greater risk of discrimination," said the statement. The commission, created under the Civil Rights Act and funded by Congress, expressed specific worry in seven agencies under the president, including the Department of Education and the Department of Justice. The “repeated refusal” of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos to commit to enforcing federal civil rights during Congressional testimony coupled with deep budget cuts within the agency’s Office of Civil Rights is “particularly troubling,” the agency added in the statement. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/civil-rights-commission-will-launch-two-year-probe-trump-administration-n773541"What do you have to lose"
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 17, 2017 18:44:12 GMT -5
Guess you never read what I have said about Trump. Ed, I do and have read your posts. In fact, I make a point to do so because, while we disagree on many things, I appreciate that you've opened up a bit and explain your positions more now. And I really appreciate that you do that. I understand that a good percentage of our people agree with what Trump professes (today) that he's in favor of. And I get that he's a voice that people support as a result of that. But he undercuts himself at every turn because he has no moral code and no intractable set of values. He's a horrible used car salesman and, while he's a businessman, he's not the dealmaker that people, somehow, seem to think he is. He never has been. He's an ass and a stupid one at that. He has no definable morality. He's a hateful, compulsive liar. And, while I get that he's given voice to concerns and gripes of a large segment of us, he'd abandon all of it if the opinion polls or money was right. You strike me as a considerate person with a well defined set of values. While some of them may be different than my own (probably not as many as you may think), I get why you'd have some "thank you" moments with what Trump voiced early on. What I don't get is his waffling and lying and hatred not taking precedent over those initial impressions or, at the least, a severe deterioration in your confidence in his ability or desire to actually do anything. He's done nearly none of what he's promised so far and is even getting flak from people that, essentially, have sold their political souls and exposed themselves as the modern version of politicians to support him. Paul Ryan used to be a bit of a nut. He's now a joke. The list is long and #sad. But Trump's voters seem to be stretching the bounds of justifying the cognitive dissonance of who they voted for and who he is. That part I really don't get in the least. The corruption optics should be enough to question his legitimacy. The actual inquiries don't seem to register at all with people who agree with what he says from time to time. But he's not tied to anything he says. But what he says isn't a reflection of a man that considers things and forms an opinion. They're just crap spilling out of the mouth of a person trying to be popular. We have a president that isn't interested in intelligence briefings and has actually said that he knows more than career military people about international relations and national security. He's an idiot. Plain and simple. That's more important than what he says he believes because no one knows what he believes. He has no conviction other than "winning" in whatever sense he means today. That'll probably change tomorrow. He's Charlie Sheen. But less honest. Guess the call to reduce flaming rhetoric has expired. This is probably the most unhinged post I recall on this board. Ever. You don’t just disagree with Trump but you can read his innermost being and you feel free to call him names: no moral code; no intractable set of values; an ass and a stupid one at that; no definable morality; hateful, compulsive liar; an idiot; no conviction except winning, etc. Maybe if you would get off your superior high horse, you might find this is the sort of thing that caused Trump in the first place. Many people deeply resent the elitists insulting their candidate/President and looking down their noses at them, and that is what you are doing. Your view is superior and anyone who has a different take is stupid. And BTW, your cheap shot at Paul Ryan is completely unjustified. He is one of the most informed and studious people in government today.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 17, 2017 19:06:37 GMT -5
Ed, I do and have read your posts. In fact, I make a point to do so because, while we disagree on many things, I appreciate that you've opened up a bit and explain your positions more now. And I really appreciate that you do that. I understand that a good percentage of our people agree with what Trump professes (today) that he's in favor of. And I get that he's a voice that people support as a result of that. But he undercuts himself at every turn because he has no moral code and no intractable set of values. He's a horrible used car salesman and, while he's a businessman, he's not the dealmaker that people, somehow, seem to think he is. He never has been. He's an ass and a stupid one at that. He has no definable morality. He's a hateful, compulsive liar. And, while I get that he's given voice to concerns and gripes of a large segment of us, he'd abandon all of it if the opinion polls or money was right. You strike me as a considerate person with a well defined set of values. While some of them may be different than my own (probably not as many as you may think), I get why you'd have some "thank you" moments with what Trump voiced early on. What I don't get is his waffling and lying and hatred not taking precedent over those initial impressions or, at the least, a severe deterioration in your confidence in his ability or desire to actually do anything. He's done nearly none of what he's promised so far and is even getting flak from people that, essentially, have sold their political souls and exposed themselves as the modern version of politicians to support him. Paul Ryan used to be a bit of a nut. He's now a joke. The list is long and #sad. But Trump's voters seem to be stretching the bounds of justifying the cognitive dissonance of who they voted for and who he is. That part I really don't get in the least. The corruption optics should be enough to question his legitimacy. The actual inquiries don't seem to register at all with people who agree with what he says from time to time. But he's not tied to anything he says. But what he says isn't a reflection of a man that considers things and forms an opinion. They're just crap spilling out of the mouth of a person trying to be popular. We have a president that isn't interested in intelligence briefings and has actually said that he knows more than career military people about international relations and national security. He's an idiot. Plain and simple. That's more important than what he says he believes because no one knows what he believes. He has no conviction other than "winning" in whatever sense he means today. That'll probably change tomorrow. He's Charlie Sheen. But less honest. Guess the call to reduce flaming rhetoric has expired. This is probably the most unhinged post I recall on this board. Ever. You don’t just disagree with Trump but you can read his innermost being and you feel free to call him names: no moral code; no intractable set of values; an ass and a stupid one at that; no definable morality; hateful, compulsive liar; an idiot; no conviction except winning, etc. Maybe if you would get off your superior high horse, you might find this is the sort of thing that caused Trump in the first place. Many people deeply resent the elitists insulting their candidate/President and looking down their noses at them, and that is what you are doing. Your view is superior and anyone who has a different take is stupid. And BTW, your cheap shot at Paul Ryan is completely unjustified. He is one of the most informed and studious people in government today. Which part of his description of Trump is wrong? Seems like he went easy on the guy.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 17, 2017 19:28:48 GMT -5
Guess the call to reduce flaming rhetoric has expired. This is probably the most unhinged post I recall on this board. Ever. You don’t just disagree with Trump but you can read his innermost being and you feel free to call him names: no moral code; no intractable set of values; an ass and a stupid one at that; no definable morality; hateful, compulsive liar; an idiot; no conviction except winning, etc. Maybe if you would get off your superior high horse, you might find this is the sort of thing that caused Trump in the first place. Many people deeply resent the elitists insulting their candidate/President and looking down their noses at them, and that is what you are doing. Your view is superior and anyone who has a different take is stupid. And BTW, your cheap shot at Paul Ryan is completely unjustified. He is one of the most informed and studious people in government today. Which part of his description of Trump is wrong? Seems like he went easy on the guy. I don't need to read his innermost being to say any of those things. Have you read his Twitter account? Everyone else has. And each of those "insults" are warranted with regard to him. That doesn't make it elitist. Not to mention, Trump is about as elitist as they come. Have you listened to anything about his tax or healthcare plans? Have you seen his choice of cabinet members? Do you recall any of his comments or interactions with residents of Scotland that didn't want his golf course built? You're, inadvertently, really funny.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 17, 2017 19:44:17 GMT -5
I don't think you meant to reply to me. I agree with you.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 17, 2017 21:55:03 GMT -5
I don't think you meant to reply to me. I agree with you. I didn't mean to, no. I used yours to respond because you had edited out my initial post out and then I forgot to edit yours out. I apologize.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 17, 2017 23:13:59 GMT -5
Trump treats nobody with respect. LOL at demanding we respect him... Message board poster = elite... Guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth, who poops on a solid gold toilet is working class... mmkay The really galling thing is the good parts of the platform that he ran on were in defense of working class people. Well, the working class people are getting worked and many of them are still supporting him. His performance and policies (or attempts at policies) couldn't be more against the people that got him elected and, yet, many still think he's acting with them as his main focus. No lie that he's told is bigger or more damaging than that one and, yet, it's caused him much less damage than it should have. BTW, what's the tally on the number of foreign leaders who have openly mocked President Trump or have expressed that he's not to be trusted? It's only June in his first year. In what capacity has this man succeeded? A Supreme Court nominee that many agree with? Okay. That's fair. What about health care, middle class jobs, tax reform, the environment, our standing with our allies, emoluments, stance on Russia, Australia, Taiwan, China, etc., etc.? But he's for the working person. Of course he is! Look at his stance on banking regulations. If you think 2008 was a disaster, wait for the next round now that all of the banks that survived are far larger than they were and, if Trump succeeds in his agenda, will be able to go right back to how they were conducting business prior to 2008 with added deregulation to boot. Sounds like a great plan for banks that are now truly too big to fail without taking down the entire economy with them. Because, if there's one thing you can depend on from commercial and investment banks that pay hundreds of millions or billions in fines every year for willingly and knowingly breaking the same laws, it's doing the right thing and conducting themselves with their investors and the good of main street in mind. At least Obamacare got revoked in favor of a much better plan, as promised. And the wall that Mexico paid for looks sweet too. At least a quick 10 minutes on Korea and China gave our president a deep understanding of over a thousand years of history. I forget... did he fix the Middle East that he said was less complicated than many people believe? It can't be as complicated as health care, can it?
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 18, 2017 7:41:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 11:48:26 GMT -5
In recent years, intelligence experts say, Russia has dramatically increased its “active measures” — a form of political warfare that includes disinformation, propaganda and compromising leaders with bribes and blackmail — against the United States. Thus far, congressional committees, law enforcement investigations and press scrutiny have focused on Kremlin leader Vladimir Putin’s successful efforts to disrupt the American political process. But a review of the available evidence and the accounts of Kremlin watchers make clear that the Russian government is using the same playbook against other pillars of American society, foremost among them the military. Experts warn that effort, which has received far less attention, has the potential to hobble the ability of the armed forces to clearly assess Putin’s intentions and effectively counter future Russian aggression.
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They're not going to stop...
Maybe one day the President will decide to protect Americans from the Russians instead of trying to push them to the front of the line in nearly every occasion....
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 18, 2017 18:41:08 GMT -5
Which part of his description of Trump is wrong? Seems like he went easy on the guy. I don't need to read his innermost being to say any of those things. Have you read his Twitter account? Everyone else has. And each of those "insults" are warranted with regard to him. That doesn't make it elitist. As I said, your view is superior to that of others so that gives you the okay to insult Trump and his supporters.
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Post by TC on Jun 18, 2017 21:14:46 GMT -5
Can't vote for anyone whose core values are unknown to me so that leaves Trump out. How dare you question Trump's moral values! Typical elitist. I like how a guy calls you considerate and reasonable and you call him unhinged.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 12:13:21 GMT -5
With just two weeks left in office, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) took some shots at President Donald Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions in an interview that aired over the weekend. Chaffetz said: “The reality is, sadly, I don’t see much difference between the Trump administration and the (Barack) Obama administration,” the outgoing chairman of the House Oversight Committee told Sinclair Broadcast Group. (Reports are he said this with a straight face ) “In many ways, it’s almost worse because we’re getting nothing, and that’s terribly frustrating and, with all due respect, the attorney general has not changed at all. I find him to be worse than what I saw with Loretta Lynch in terms of releasing documents and making things available. I just, that’s my experience, and that’s not what I expected.” ___________ When a partisan like Chaffetz makes a comment like that you can pretty much conclude it's way, way, way... way...way...worse. #MAGA
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 14:12:34 GMT -5
Many people deeply resent the elitists insulting their candidate/President and looking down their noses at them, and that is what you are doing. Your view is superior and anyone who has a different take is stupid. Yeah, because I'm sure there are a bunch of Trump voters out there thinking "My views are inferior, and anyone who voted for Hillary is really smart." Don't forget that many people deeply resented those who insulted Barack Obama and those who looked down their noses and him/them for eight years (and don't pretend that those people didn't exist). And many people resent being reflexively called "elitists" because THEY have a different view, or because they live in a different part of the country. People don't appreciate it when they're told "You're not a REAL American", simply because they live in a big city or work in an office. It's bull. I was born and raised in this country, and I was born into relative privilege - for which I am grateful. But I also work my ass off. I work in DC, and I work in an office - I don't wear a hard hat or punch a factory clock. But that doesn't make me any less American than people who do. "Real America" doesn't get to be defined by people who live in small towns, work in factories, and drive pick-up trucks. Nor does it get to be defined by people who live in big cities, work in the service industry, and drive hybrids. But the former group seems to exercise a pretty solid sense of superiority over the latter when it comes to being "American". That sounds "elitist" to me.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 19, 2017 15:03:23 GMT -5
Acosta: White House is stonewalling us - CNN apple.news/A3fwSz5IaR4Ol0rYCrVeJpgLess than 6 months in office and the administration is running scared of being on camera answering questions..
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Post by TC on Jun 20, 2017 8:29:25 GMT -5
Flynn flipping!
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2017 9:09:33 GMT -5
"All the signals are suggesting [Flynn] is already cooperating with the FBI, and may have been for some time. First of all, they had him dead to rights on a felony false statement, on the statement they took from him at the White House on the Kislyak conversations. Second, Comey reported that one of the things the FBI does with cooperators is get them to go back and clean up areas of non-compliance. Flynn, who will never be hired by a foreign government again, went back and cleaned up his foreign agent filings. Third, all of the reporting of the Eastern District of VA on subpoenas is one hop away from Flynn. He is the hole in a donut of subpoenas," he said. www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/19/sen_sheldon_whitehouse_tons_of_evidence_mike_flynn_has_flipped_on_trump_cooperating_with_fbi.html
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Post by tashoya on Jun 20, 2017 22:56:59 GMT -5
I don't need to read his innermost being to say any of those things. Have you read his Twitter account? Everyone else has. And each of those "insults" are warranted with regard to him. That doesn't make it elitist. As I said, your view is superior to that of others so that gives you the okay to insult Trump and his supporters. For a person in his position, the man is demonstrably ignorant of most things in which he's supposed to either be well-versed or leaning heavily on and learning from capable people with whom he's surrounded himself. By his own admission, he doesn't read much and doesn't need security briefings. He's smarter than the generals. The Middle East isn't as complicated as most people think but healthcare is more complicated than anyone knows. It's well documented that briefings are laden with pictures and limited in nuance in order to keep his attention. If that isn't the definition of either stupid or reckless, I'm not sure what is. If that's elitist in your view, okay. I'd wonder why you wouldn't want a competent president or, at the least, one that was doing his damnedest to learn on the job. We have neither. And I have nothing against people that voted for Trump hoping he'd come through on some of his promises. His "victories" have been exceedingly sparse and his actions and policies have hammered those that supported him most. The hits keep coming but I guess that's fine by those that would rather feel good about the guy they voted for as opposed to happy with the job he's actually doing. It's impossible to feel both concurrently. If I had voted for him, I'd be more upset than I am having not voted for him.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 21, 2017 7:09:40 GMT -5
Max Boot (an "elitist" neoconservative) is the Jeane J. Kirkpatrick senior fellow for national security studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. His forthcoming book is “The Road Not Taken: Edward Lansdale and the American Tragedy in Vietnam.” foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/16/donald-trump-is-proving-too-stupid-to-be-president/Mr. Trump doesn’t know the difference between the Quds Force and the Kurds. He can’t identify the nuclear triad, the American strategic nuclear arsenal’s delivery system. He had never heard of Brexit until a few weeks before the vote. He thinks the Constitution has 12 Articles rather than seven. He uses the vocabulary of a fifth grader. Most damning of all, he traffics in off-the-wall conspiracy theories by insinuating that President Obama was born in Kenya and that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the Kennedy assassination. It is hardly surprising to read Tony Schwartz, the ghostwriter for Mr. Trump’s best seller “The Art of the Deal,” say, “I seriously doubt that Trump has ever read a book straight through in his adult life.” www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/opinion/how-the-stupid-party-created-donald-trump.html
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 21, 2017 7:38:56 GMT -5
Want to thank all those who contributed $40-50M to the economy in support of the Georgia Democratic congressional candidate. You are helping to Make America Great Again.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 21, 2017 8:11:30 GMT -5
Dear Democrat Party:
Next time you want to plow tens of millions into a House Race, you might wish to run a candidate who actually lives in the District.
Of course, you are the carpetbagging party who gave us those fine New Yorkers like RFK and HRC.
Keep up the fine work. I will laugh my Ossoff.
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