SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 12, 2017 14:28:25 GMT -5
The problem with these Emolument Clause lawsuits is that the plaintiffs will have a difficult time demonstrating standing to bring the suit, i.e., that Trump's alleged violation of the clause resulted in damage to the plaintiffs. Alleging that the state of MD or the DC govt loss revenue because both their convention centers could have benefited from business that ended up at the Trump Hotel may be too speculative unless they can demonstrate a concrete circumstance where a foreign government changed venue to move to the Trump Hotel. I don't recall whether the private plaintiff lawsuits had made these specific allegations either. To me the remedy for these alleged constitutional violations is impeachment because civil wsuits are clumsy vehicles for securing relief. And with the supine GOP House, it's not going to happen. Just spitballing this one w/o benefit of any research.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 12, 2017 14:33:47 GMT -5
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jun 12, 2017 14:57:02 GMT -5
The problem with these Emolument Clause lawsuits is that the plaintiffs will have a difficult time demonstrating standing to bring the suit, i.e., that Trump's alleged violation of the clause resulted in damage to the plaintiffs. Alleging that the state of MD or the DC govt loss revenue because both their convention centers could have benefited from business that ended up at the Trump Hotel may be too speculative unless they can demonstrate a concrete circumstance where a foreign government changed venue to move to the Trump Hotel. I don't recall whether the private plaintiff lawsuits had made these specific allegations either. To me the remedy for these alleged constitutional violations is impeachment because civil wsuits are clumsy vehicles for securing relief. And with the supine GOP House, it's not going to happen. Just spitballing this one w/o benefit of any research. It makes sense that proof of damage would be too speculative. I'm happy, however, that it contributes to the conversation and shines a light, however dim, on the emoluments clause which, IMO, has been very concerning from the start.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 12, 2017 15:57:56 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 12, 2017 18:35:01 GMT -5
Ignore the Trump surrogates (Newt Gingrich, Jay Sekulow) who are suggesting that Trump is ready to fire Mueller. It is an attempt at distraction because Sessions is testifying Tuesday afternoon.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 12, 2017 21:29:28 GMT -5
That was absolutely painful to watch from start to finish. Gotten more done than any President in history? By what metric? Harm to our standing in the world politically, ecologically and with regard to the faith our allies have in us? Agreed. Otherwise? In what bastardized version of reality is this man living? Good or bad, if he were actually getting things done that a sizable segment of his constituency wanted, his approval rating wouldn't be circling the drain. The lack of self awareness and the ability for self delusion is staggering. I'm no psychologist but the man may be a sociopath. I'm not attempting to be facetious or hyperbolic. He doesn't check every single box but he sure does better on that little assessment than he would on any quiz about government, foreign relations, the environment, diplomacy, economics or health care by a wide margin. www.healthguidance.org/entry/15850/1/Characteristics-of-a-Sociopath.html
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 13, 2017 5:22:19 GMT -5
That was absolutely painful to watch from start to finish. Gotten more done than any President in history? By what metric? Harm to our standing in the world politically, ecologically and with regard to the faith our allies have in us? Agreed. Otherwise? In what bastardized version of reality is this man living? Good or bad, if he were actually getting things done that a sizable segment of his constituency wanted, his approval rating wouldn't be circling the drain. The lack of self awareness and the ability for self delusion is staggering. I'm no psychologist but the man may be a sociopath. I'm not attempting to be facetious or hyperbolic. He doesn't check every single box but he sure does better on that little assessment than he would on any quiz about government, foreign relations, the environment, diplomacy, economics or health care by a wide margin. www.healthguidance.org/entry/15850/1/Characteristics-of-a-Sociopath.htmlReminds me of the old joke about talking to the narcissistic blowhard when he says, "Well that's enough about me, what do you think of me?" Thankfully, General Mattis didn't participate in the group kiss up but praised the troops who serve under him. Army leadership typically starts with "the troops come first." But Don "Bone Spurs" Trump would have no understanding of that. Two thought-provoking and in some ways prescient articles about the narcissistic authoritarian who now occupies the Presidency: www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-president/514802/
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 13, 2017 6:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by ksf42001 on Jun 13, 2017 8:52:05 GMT -5
Just so we're clear, Dennis Rodman getting a US citizen released from North Korea is more foreign policy success than Trump has had so far this year...
On Edit: The timing just appears to be a coincidence now, as NK didn't want a severely ill American to die in a NK prison. Hope he pulls through...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 11:44:37 GMT -5
ProPublica: Marc Kasowitz, Trump's lawyer in the Russia probe, has bragged he was behind the firing of Preet Bharara "This guy is going to get you,” he told Trump. www.propublica.org/article/trump-personal-lawyer-boasted-that-he-got-preet-bharara-fired_____________ Just Trump's personal lawyer bragging about getting a US DOJ attorney fired and his attorneys partner is said to be a potential pick to replace Bharara. Trump's like the Michael Jordan of unethical activity and abusing power. He succeeds because people look at politics like they're rooting for the Yankees or Red Sox... At first glance the optics look bad here but those aren't Vets, those are libtards.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 12:11:28 GMT -5
How has no one hacked his Twitter yet?
I assume the password is TRUMP or BOOBS.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 13, 2017 12:46:10 GMT -5
Trump favors pro life federal judges and justices, is for defunding Planned Parenthood, is strong on protecting religious freedom, and for enforcing laws forbidding federal funds for abortion. Despite what he may or may not have done in the past, that is pro life. If you want to spin it as catering to evangelical voters, go at it. Just curious. Do you also oppose the death penalty? Does Trump? Do Evangelicals? "The new evangelization calls for followers of Christ who are unconditionally pro-life: who will proclaim, celebrate and serve the Gospel of life in every situation. A sign of hope is the increasing recognition that the dignity of human life must never be taken away, even in the case of someone who has done great evil. . . . I renew the appeal I made . . . for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary." Who said the above? I had tangential involvement as a young lawyer with a death penalty case in Maryland (when it still had the death penalty) and will admit that I am conflicted about whether I support it or not. When some of the survivors of the Charleston Church shooting opposed the death penalty for the racist shooter, I was amazed at the grace and forgiveness they demonstrated. I do not believe I could have done the same. Any time I see a liberal bringing up the death penalty when discussing pro-life, I see someone trying to justify his/her support for abortion by attempting to show some equivalency between the taking of an innocent human being's life and the taking of the life of a person convicted in court of some heinous crime. There, flat-out, is no equivalency. Abortion is a severe sin against God and there can be no reasonable argument saying otherwise. It is also an offense against the basic right to life. The death penalty is something that reasonable people might disagree on. I, for one, am against it. Republicans are often accused of being anti-science but liberals are the real anti-science ones. That a fetus is a living human being has been proven by science. Likewise, on a different subject, give me a sample of your spit and I'll tell you if you are a male or female, no matter what you might feel like. These are two examples of where liberals choose to ignore science when it does not fit their agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:09:44 GMT -5
Republicans are often accused of being anti-science but liberals are the real anti-science ones. It's not an either/or here. liberals choose to ignore science when it does not fit their agenda. Because Republicans do the same when it serves them to do so.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 13, 2017 13:28:22 GMT -5
Abortion is a severe sin against God and there can be no reasonable argument saying otherwise. There is no god.
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Post by ksf42001 on Jun 13, 2017 14:21:21 GMT -5
Abortion is a severe sin against God and there can be no reasonable argument saying otherwise. There is no god. This is definitely the rabbit hole this thread needs to go down...
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 13, 2017 14:46:40 GMT -5
Just curious. Do you also oppose the death penalty? Does Trump? Do Evangelicals? "The new evangelization calls for followers of Christ who are unconditionally pro-life: who will proclaim, celebrate and serve the Gospel of life in every situation. A sign of hope is the increasing recognition that the dignity of human life must never be taken away, even in the case of someone who has done great evil. . . . I renew the appeal I made . . . for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary." Who said the above? I had tangential involvement as a young lawyer with a death penalty case in Maryland (when it still had the death penalty) and will admit that I am conflicted about whether I support it or not. When some of the survivors of the Charleston Church shooting opposed the death penalty for the racist shooter, I was amazed at the grace and forgiveness they demonstrated. I do not believe I could have done the same. Any time I see a liberal bringing up the death penalty when discussing pro-life, I see someone trying to justify his/her support for abortion by attempting to show some equivalency between the taking of an innocent human being's life and the taking of the life of a person convicted in court of some heinous crime. There, flat-out, is no equivalency. Abortion is a severe sin against God and there can be no reasonable argument saying otherwise. It is also an offense against the basic right to life. The death penalty is something that reasonable people might disagree on. I, for one, am against it. Republicans are often accused of being anti-science but liberals are the real anti-science ones. That a fetus is a living human being has been proven by science. Likewise, on a different subject, give me a sample of your spit and I'll tell you if you are a male or female, no matter what you might feel like. These are two examples of where liberals choose to ignore science when it does not fit their agenda. Respectfully Ed, you are making a big assumption that I am a "liberal" in the sense you are probably using the word (as a pejorative). I was genuinely curious about your position on the death penalty and thank you for your answer. And you are also making an assumption about my position on abortion - where did I indicate a support for abortion? "The new evangelization calls for followers of Christ who are unconditionally pro-life: who will proclaim, celebrate and serve the Gospel of life in every situation. A sign of hope is the increasing recognition that the dignity of human life must never be taken away, even in the case of someone who has done great evil. . . . I renew the appeal I made . . . for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary." -- —Pope John Paul II Papal Mass, St. Louis, Missouri, January 27, 1999 Some may infer an equivalency in the Pope's statement.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 13, 2017 16:07:26 GMT -5
Sessions looks like a grownup version of Alfred E. Neuman from Mad magazine...
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 13, 2017 19:01:03 GMT -5
"Respectfully Ed, you are making a big assumption that I am a "liberal" in the sense you are probably using the word (as a pejorative). I was genuinely curious about your position on the death penalty and thank you for your answer. And you are also making an assumption about my position on abortion - where did I indicate a support for abortion?
"The new evangelization calls for followers of Christ who are unconditionally pro-life: who will proclaim, celebrate and serve the Gospel of life in every situation. A sign of hope is the increasing recognition that the dignity of human life must never be taken away, even in the case of someone who has done great evil. . . . I renew the appeal I made . . . for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary." -- —Pope John Paul II Papal Mass, St. Louis, Missouri, January 27, 1999
Some may infer an equivalency in the Pope's statement."
SS, sorry, I just assumed you were a liberal. Are most of your political beliefs left of center? Also, care to share your position on abortion?
As for the Pope's quote, I don't see any equivalency at all, just an extension of the meaning of pro-life. Do you see an equivalency?
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Post by DallasHoya on Jun 13, 2017 21:47:20 GMT -5
Abortion is a severe sin against God and there can be no reasonable argument saying otherwise. There is no god. link
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Post by tashoya on Jun 13, 2017 22:35:45 GMT -5
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