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Post by SSHoya on May 26, 2017 20:41:49 GMT -5
But wait, there's more! U.S. President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and close adviser, Jared Kushner, had at least three previously undisclosed contacts with the Russian ambassador to the United States during and after the 2016 presidential campaign, seven current and former U.S. officials told Reuters. www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fbi-kushner-exclusive-idUSKBN18N018This makes liars out of Trump, Pence, et al who said there were NO contacts by the campaign with Russia.
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Post by tashoya on May 26, 2017 21:22:16 GMT -5
But wait, there's more! U.S. President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and close adviser, Jared Kushner, had at least three previously undisclosed contacts with the Russian ambassador to the United States during and after the 2016 presidential campaign, seven current and former U.S. officials told Reuters. www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fbi-kushner-exclusive-idUSKBN18N018This makes liars out of Trump, Pence, et al who said there were NO contacts by the campaign with Russia. And, yet, President Trump supporters nor the Republican party will give a rip. Cue the next round of excuses and President Obama nonsense.
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Post by SSHoya on May 27, 2017 5:07:49 GMT -5
But wait, there's more! U.S. President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and close adviser, Jared Kushner, had at least three previously undisclosed contacts with the Russian ambassador to the United States during and after the 2016 presidential campaign, seven current and former U.S. officials told Reuters. www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fbi-kushner-exclusive-idUSKBN18N018This makes liars out of Trump, Pence, et al who said there were NO contacts by the campaign with Russia. And, yet, President Trump supporters nor the Republican party will give a rip. Cue the next round of excuses and President Obama nonsense. I think the Special Counsel appointing order should be amended to expand Mueller's investigation into whether Trump and his advisers have any ties to Americans! Seriously, I had speculated earlier whether Trump and his advisers were witting or unwitting dupes for the Russians. At some point, you have to go with witting. Which gets you to the Espionage Act of 1917 with Flynn as the witting principal and perhaps manipulating the naive and unwitting Kushner or the ignorant Trump. If the FBI discovered this very same conduct for any American not named Kushner with such ties to a hostile foreign power I have no doubt that probable cause would exist to secure a FISA warrant to conduct electronic surveillance and physical search on Kushner as an agent of a foreign power. The FBI secured a FISA warrant on Carter Page and I'm speculating it did so with less factual predicate for PC than exists here.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 10:41:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 10:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on May 29, 2017 5:45:03 GMT -5
Had a chance to listen to some of Hillary's address at Wellesley.
Still living in Fantasyland, she described how Nixon was impeached (he wasn't) and forgot that her husband was.
Also talked about beating both Trump and Bernie.
What color is the sun in Chappaqua?
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Post by tashoya on May 29, 2017 9:55:37 GMT -5
A second source told the newspaper: “Every time we talk about a country, he remembered the things he had done. Scotland? He said he had opened a club. Ireland? He said it took him two and a half years to get a licence and that did not give him a very good image of the European Union. One feels that he wants a system where everything can be realised very quickly and without formalities.” The following is an older article about Trump's golf links in Scotland. I thought it may be of interest to any who may have missed it: www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/world/europe/donald-trump-scotland-wall.html?_r=0
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 11:17:22 GMT -5
Germany's FM says anyone w/ foreign policy like Trump's "is putting peace in Europe at risk". U.K. now sees "special relationship" with the U.S. as not so special bloom.bg/2qq5dXQFormer NATO envoy: "This seems to be the end of an era" of US global leadership hill.cm/3vt9TyK
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 29, 2017 16:37:51 GMT -5
Still living in Fantasyland, she described how Nixon was impeached (he wasn't) What color is the sun in Chappaqua? While the House never impeached Nixon, as we know he is one of only three Presidents against whom articles of impeachment were approved by the Judiciary Committee and recommended to the full House.
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Post by Elvado on May 29, 2017 17:20:24 GMT -5
Still living in Fantasyland, she described how Nixon was impeached (he wasn't) What color is the sun in Chappaqua? While the House never impeached Nixon, as we know he is one of only three Presidents against whom articles of impeachment were approved by the Judiciary Committee and recommended to the full House. So to recap, Nixon not impeached; Clinton impeached. We return you now to our regular programming...
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 19:58:30 GMT -5
Curious...
Has anybody come up with a good reason as to why the Presidents Son in Law was trying to set up up covert communications with the Russians, inside the Russian Embassy, in order to avoid detection from US government agencies, and behind the back of the American people yet?
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Post by Elvado on May 29, 2017 20:17:34 GMT -5
Curious... Has anybody come up with a good reason as to why the Presidents Son in Law was trying to set up up covert communications with the Russians, inside the Russian Embassy, in order to avoid detection from US government agencies, and behind the back of the American people yet? No. And no one ever will. If this is true, he should join his Daddy as a convict.
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Post by SSHoya on May 30, 2017 5:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on May 30, 2017 7:23:30 GMT -5
This is going to sound like a joke but I don't mean it to be one. What sort of "derogatory" information would it take at this point for it to matter at all to President Trump's supporters?
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Post by Filo on May 30, 2017 7:49:10 GMT -5
This is going to sound like a joke but I don't mean it to be one. What sort of "derogatory" information would it take at this point for it to matter at all to President Trump's supporters? Trump said it best during the campaign - to paraphrase, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and still wouldn't lose his supporters' votes. The man is an absolute embarrassment, and he is beginning to do irreparable harm to this nation's standing in the international community. It is becoming so distressing that such a large portion of this country will completely ignore his incompetence and the unethical / illegal activity rampant in his administration. I am not being overly dramatic when I say that I am extremely concerned about the future of this country. Throw in the absolute partisanship on both sides of the aisle, and I really worry about what my children will be facing.
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Post by SSHoya on May 30, 2017 8:01:40 GMT -5
This is going to sound like a joke but I don't mean it to be one. What sort of "derogatory" information would it take at this point for it to matter at all to President Trump's supporters? I have to keep reminding myself that only 35-40% of Americans actually support Trump. Perhaps if he shot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, that might do the trick? At the risk of sounding like an elitist SFS alum, I'd hazard to guess most Trump supporters give very little thought to US foreign policy and fail to recognize that Trump in 4 months has managed to do grave damage to the Pax Americana that has been the stabilizing force in world affairs since WW II and the Marshall Plan. Instead, he cozies up to Russians (yukking it up with them in the Oval Office) yet goes to NATO and acts as the ugly American in a boorish and vulgar manner. In essence, he has forfeited America's leadership role in the world for liberal democratic values and freedom. The irony is that the Republicans who constantly criticized Obama for "leading from behind" remain silent. Trump has simply abdicated American leadership in the world and very few Republicans say a word. I find him antithetical to democratic values. The more serious question is when will the Republicans on the Hill actually realize what damage Trump is doing to the country. They are as spineless and feckless as they appear to be. Even from the naked self interest of the GOP, do they really think he is still useful in accomplishing their agenda?
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Post by hoyarooter on May 30, 2017 20:33:32 GMT -5
Donald Trump = OJ. OJ could have slit Nicole and Ron's throats in the middle of 5th Avenue and wouldn't have been convicted, either. If the Donald did that, he would claim that it didn't really happen and was fake news, and his fans would just nod their heads and say, yep, yep, he's our man.
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Post by tashoya on May 30, 2017 22:19:33 GMT -5
This is going to sound like a joke but I don't mean it to be one. What sort of "derogatory" information would it take at this point for it to matter at all to President Trump's supporters? I have to keep reminding myself that only 35-40% of Americans actually support Trump. Perhaps if he shot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, that might do the trick? At the risk of sounding like an elitist SFS alum, I'd hazard to guess most Trump supporters give very little thought to US foreign policy and fail to recognize that Trump in 4 months has managed to do grave damage to the Pax Americana that has been the stabilizing force in world affairs since WW II and the Marshall Plan. Instead, he cozies up to Russians (yukking it up with them in the Oval Office) yet goes to NATO and acts as the ugly American in a boorish and vulgar manner. In essence, he has forfeited America's leadership role in the world for liberal democratic values and freedom. The irony is that the Republicans who constantly criticized Obama for "leading from behind" remain silent. Trump has simply abdicated American leadership in the world and very few Republicans say a word. I find him antithetical to democratic values. The more serious question is when will the Republicans on the Hill actually realize what damage Trump is doing to the country. They are as spineless and feckless as they appear to be. Even from the naked self interest of the GOP, do they really think he is still useful in accomplishing their agenda? What I'm still not getting is that it seems that not only have many of President Trump's supporters not shown concern about his actions with regard to our allies and NATO, they seem to be proud of how he's been conducting himself and how he's representing our country. I understand there's anger and feelings of wanting to put America first. But he's feeding the anger. America first? Jeopardizing our diplomatic relationships and compromising our allies is putting America first? In what world view is that a positive thing? One that favors an isolationist oligarchy? It's certainly not American democracy. This is a man to be cheered or respected or trusted or looked to for leadership?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 6:05:44 GMT -5
I have to keep reminding myself that only 35-40% of Americans actually support Trump. Perhaps if he shot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, that might do the trick? At the risk of sounding like an elitist SFS alum, I'd hazard to guess most Trump supporters give very little thought to US foreign policy and fail to recognize that Trump in 4 months has managed to do grave damage to the Pax Americana that has been the stabilizing force in world affairs since WW II and the Marshall Plan. Instead, he cozies up to Russians (yukking it up with them in the Oval Office) yet goes to NATO and acts as the ugly American in a boorish and vulgar manner. In essence, he has forfeited America's leadership role in the world for liberal democratic values and freedom. The irony is that the Republicans who constantly criticized Obama for "leading from behind" remain silent. Trump has simply abdicated American leadership in the world and very few Republicans say a word. I find him antithetical to democratic values. The more serious question is when will the Republicans on the Hill actually realize what damage Trump is doing to the country. They are as spineless and feckless as they appear to be. Even from the naked self interest of the GOP, do they really think he is still useful in accomplishing their agenda? What I'm still not getting is that it seems that not only have many of President Trump's supporters not shown concern about his actions with regard to our allies and NATO, they seem to be proud of how he's been conducting himself and how he's representing our country. I understand there's anger and feelings of wanting to put America first. But he's feeding the anger. America first? Jeopardizing our diplomatic relationships and compromising our allies is putting America first? In what world view is that a positive thing? One that favors an isolationist oligarchy? It's certainly not American democracy. This is a man to be cheered or respected or trusted or looked to for leadership? The question is about Trump thus the examples below but this problem is obviously not limited to just the right. A couple thoughts: 1) Media safe spaces Event: Kushner covert channel news NYT: 3 reporters 12 sources Wapo: 3 reporters 9 sources Fox: 1 source who says it didn't happen written by an anonymous author. This story was the lead on their morning shows yesterday... www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/29/jared-kushner-didnt-suggest-russian-communications-channel-in-meeting-source-says.html_______ 2) Political Polarization From an article on Never Trumpers but found the last line relevant to the conversation Easy to support a deeply flawed person if you view the other side as your 1 enemy and that you are engaged in a rhetorical Civil War....Putin attacked our Democracy and he has been accepted and defended by the leader of the party. In Germany Trump attacked Merkel and her political opponent said this in the middle of an election year: Would be nice if we had more politicians with courage like this man in both parties. Seems to me that's how you put Germany first and win support from the other side. Trump is showing us in real time there's really no rules here and a lot of our political norms are guarded by the integrity of our elected officials.
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Post by SSHoya on May 31, 2017 15:50:47 GMT -5
By Thomas Ricks re: H.R. McMaster. Ricks is one of the best (IMO) chroniclers of recent military history and national security matters: During the presidential transition, when a friend called me to discuss whether he should accept a national security post in the Trump administration, I advised him to do so. My thinking was that the more mature, thoughtful people we had in the administration, the better. But over the last two weeks, I have come to think I was wrong. I no longer believe in the “adults in the room” theory of containing President Trump and the similarly erratic and ignorant people around him. The prime reason I have come to believe I was wrong was the experience of watching Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, Trump’s second national security adviser, make a series of statements. On the evening of Monday, May 15, he appeared before cameras at the White House to respond to a Washington Post article reporting that the president had shared sensitive intelligence about terrorism with Russian visitors. This information was sufficiently detailed, some intelligence officials feared, that it might enable interested parties to determine the source of that intelligence. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/28/general-mcmaster-step-downand-let-trump-be-trump-215199
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