ksf42001
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Post by ksf42001 on May 19, 2017 13:48:35 GMT -5
Something I'm actually qualified to respond about (not that I let that keep me from responding on other topics). This article is very disingenuous. NC is getting way more than $6.1 for Hurricane Matthew. This is related to Community Development Block Grant - Disaster Recovery (CDBG-DR) funding. NC was previously allocated $198M in CDBG-DR funding late last year. NC then asked for an additional $900M after performing an unmet needs assessment. Congress approved an additional $400M in CDBG-DR funding in the most recent spending bill, but made that funding available to all jurisdictions that received funding in previous 2015/16 allocation. That covers places affected by Matthew, Joaquin, Louisiana 2016 flooding, Texas 2015 flooding (2 events), WV 2016 flooding, so there's a lot of mouths to feed here. The exact breakdown of who gets what of that $400M hasn't even been released yet (at least not last week when I last checked), but I guess NC was so disgusted when given early guidance, they decided to make their feelings public. Honestly, I think NC should feel happy they even got $6.1M from their request. They're still early in their recovery and haven't even spent any of their original $198M, while a number of the other disasters are either bigger or much older, so there's better info what what remains. The CDBG-DR portion of their recovery is still in its early stages, and they should be focused on maximizing their FEMA Public Assistance and Individual Assistance (which will end up being $1B+ i'd assume), among other federal funding streams.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 14:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 19:05:15 GMT -5
FP notes: "Details Trump spilled likely came from a source that was also useful on Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and its Hezbollah proxies...
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Post by SSHoya on May 21, 2017 10:48:37 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 21, 2017 12:14:49 GMT -5
Trump promised to make the US great again, just not secure.
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Post by Filo on May 21, 2017 13:00:15 GMT -5
SS - maybe I am thinking too much along the lines of fictional spy stuff and not the real world, but what are the chances that the Israelis actually had anything out there that was sensitive enough to jeopardize assets? I mean, I cannot believe that they would have trusted Trump enough to share really sensitive info at this point. The entire episode is just a complete embarrassment, in any event. There is so much that is indefensible about Trump, it's to the point that you have to prioritize the outrage.
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Post by SSHoya on May 21, 2017 17:17:25 GMT -5
SS - maybe I am thinking too much along the lines of fictional spy stuff and not the real world, but what are the chances that the Israelis actually had anything out there that was sensitive enough to jeopardize assets? I mean, I cannot believe that they would have trusted Trump enough to share really sensitive info at this point. The entire episode is just a complete embarrassment, in any event. There is so much that is indefensible about Trump, it's to the point that you have to prioritize the outrage. Yes, in my opinion Israeli intelligence has the capability (as does the Jordanian intelligence service) that enables either of them to have sensitive assets on the ground in Syria. Both Israel and Jordan have native Arabic speakers who are also culturally fluent. 20% of Israelis are Israeli-Arab. When I was stationed in the Northern Sinai, the Israelis also reportedly had good relationships with certain Bedouin tribes who were often sources of information for the Israel Defense Forces who would tip off Israel about Egyptian Army movements in the Sinai before our peacekeeping force had identified those movements which may have been in violation of the security arrangements under the Peace Treaty. There are approximately 250,000 Bedouins in Syria. Moreover, the Israeli source has surely been in Syria months prior to Trump's victory and probably known to the USIC already. Thus, it's not that Israeli intelligence trusted Trump, it ostensibly trusted the USIC, who in turn conveyed the intel to Trump (see my comments on this below). If you doubt Mossad's capability this was an historic intelligence coup: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_CohenAlso, as an indication of the Mossad's capability, it had successfully recruited Egyptian President Gamel Abdul Nasser's son prior to the Yom Kippur War in 1973 who warned Golda Meir that an attack was coming but Meir, for whatever reason, ignored it. If you recall, once Trump won the Republican nomination, the USIC had qualms about giving full intel briefs to candidate Trump. Amid reports that some intelligence officials have deep reservations about sharing sensitive information with Trump, Clapper said that “it is not up to the administration and not up to me personally to decide on the suitability of presidential candidates. The American electorate is deciding on the suitability of the next commander in chief.” www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/candidates-poised-for-classified-briefings-despite-spy-agency-worries-over-trump/2016/07/28/865cd686-5500-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html?utm_term=.d7b165220b0cSadly, those qualms have come true. Yes, the Israelis had also warned the USIC about intel sharing with a person so erratic as Trump but once he became President, Clapper is correct. It is difficult to suggest that the USIC should have withheld information to a President Trump (as opposed to a candidate Trump) as that would have held up the USIC as being if not disloyal towards the sitting President it could be viewed as manipulating the intel provided the sitting President. The relationship is fraught as it is now. (CIA officers and employees were seething after his disgraceful performance in front of the CIA Memorial Wall at Langley). What remains mysterious to me is H.R. McMasters's statement that Trump didn't know the source/method of the intel which he disclosed to the Russians. To me, it raises the question of the type/quality of the briefing given to Trump and whether Trump understood the import of the briefing. While Trump could have been briefed on the substance of the code word classified intel without being apprised of the source(s) and method(s) of its collection, would not the briefing indicated that it was NOT to be shared with the Russians or anyone else for that matter? Perhaps he was told that but blurted it out anyway, because he is who he is -- a braggart who wanted to show his Russian friends what great intel he had. Finally, the Israelis shared the intel with the USIC, not Trump specifically. It was up to the USIC to control its use and dissemination. I obviously have no specific knowledge of what Israeli assets may have been present in Syria and may be at risk because of Trump but IMO it is not implausible at all. And it's sad to see General McMaster carrying Trump's water like this: www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/05/21/mcmaster-does-not-deny-details-of-trumps-discussion-with-russian-officials/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_mcmaster-1130am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f1b94f6af66d
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Post by EasyEd on May 21, 2017 18:43:33 GMT -5
Pretty good speech by Trump today. Now if he could only shape up (or replace) his White House staff.
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Post by Filo on May 22, 2017 8:26:14 GMT -5
SS - maybe I am thinking too much along the lines of fictional spy stuff and not the real world, but what are the chances that the Israelis actually had anything out there that was sensitive enough to jeopardize assets? I mean, I cannot believe that they would have trusted Trump enough to share really sensitive info at this point. The entire episode is just a complete embarrassment, in any event. There is so much that is indefensible about Trump, it's to the point that you have to prioritize the outrage. Yes, in my opinion Israeli intelligence has the capability (as does the Jordanian intelligence service) that enables either of them to have sensitive assets on the ground in Syria. Both Israel and Jordan have native Arabic speakers who are also culturally fluent. 20% of Israelis are Israeli-Arab. When I was stationed in the Northern Sinai, the Israelis also reportedly had good relationships with certain Bedouin tribes who were often sources of information for the Israel Defense Forces who would tip off Israel about Egyptian Army movements in the Sinai before our peacekeeping force had identified those movements which may have been in violation of the security arrangements under the Peace Treaty. There are approximately 250,000 Bedouins in Syria. Moreover, the Israeli source has surely been in Syria months prior to Trump's victory and probably known to the USIC already. Thus, it's not that Israeli intelligence trusted Trump, it ostensibly trusted the USIC, who in turn conveyed the intel to Trump (see my comments on this below). If you doubt Mossad's capability this was an historic intelligence coup: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_CohenAlso, as an indication of the Mossad's capability, it had successfully recruited Egyptian President Gamel Abdul Nasser's son prior to the Yom Kippur War in 1973 who warned Golda Meir that an attack was coming but Meir, for whatever reason, ignored it. If you recall, once Trump won the Republican nomination, the USIC had qualms about giving full intel briefs to candidate Trump. Amid reports that some intelligence officials have deep reservations about sharing sensitive information with Trump, Clapper said that “it is not up to the administration and not up to me personally to decide on the suitability of presidential candidates. The American electorate is deciding on the suitability of the next commander in chief.” www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/candidates-poised-for-classified-briefings-despite-spy-agency-worries-over-trump/2016/07/28/865cd686-5500-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html?utm_term=.d7b165220b0cSadly, those qualms have come true. Yes, the Israelis had also warned the USIC about intel sharing with a person so erratic as Trump but once he became President, Clapper is correct. It is difficult to suggest that the USIC should have withheld information to a President Trump (as opposed to a candidate Trump) as that would have held up the USIC as being if not disloyal towards the sitting President it could be viewed as manipulating the intel provided the sitting President. The relationship is fraught as it is now. (CIA officers and employees were seething after his disgraceful performance in front of the CIA Memorial Wall at Langley). What remains mysterious to me is H.R. McMasters's statement that Trump didn't know the source/method of the intel which he disclosed to the Russians. To me, it raises the question of the type/quality of the briefing given to Trump and whether Trump understood the import of the briefing. While Trump could have been briefed on the substance of the code word classified intel without being apprised of the source(s) and method(s) of its collection, would not the briefing indicated that it was NOT to be shared with the Russians or anyone else for that matter? Perhaps he was told that but blurted it out anyway, because he is who he is -- a braggart who wanted to show his Russian friends what great intel he had. Finally, the Israelis shared the intel with the USIC, not Trump specifically. It was up to the USIC to control its use and dissemination. I obviously have no specific knowledge of what Israeli assets may have been present in Syria and may be at risk because of Trump but IMO it is not implausible at all. And it's sad to see General McMaster carrying Trump's water like this: www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/05/21/mcmaster-does-not-deny-details-of-trumps-discussion-with-russian-officials/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_mcmaster-1130am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f1b94f6af66dThanks for the response. Unfortunately, my question was poorly worded. I have no doubt that Israel has the capabilities. What I meant to ask was, aren't the chances pretty high that the Israelis are savvy enough and wary enough of Trump that they would not be sharing any information with him that would jeopardize their assets on the ground. Was wondering if they have been testing Trump and, no surprise, he failed spectacularly.
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Post by SSHoya on May 22, 2017 9:09:08 GMT -5
Yes, in my opinion Israeli intelligence has the capability (as does the Jordanian intelligence service) that enables either of them to have sensitive assets on the ground in Syria. Both Israel and Jordan have native Arabic speakers who are also culturally fluent. 20% of Israelis are Israeli-Arab. When I was stationed in the Northern Sinai, the Israelis also reportedly had good relationships with certain Bedouin tribes who were often sources of information for the Israel Defense Forces who would tip off Israel about Egyptian Army movements in the Sinai before our peacekeeping force had identified those movements which may have been in violation of the security arrangements under the Peace Treaty. There are approximately 250,000 Bedouins in Syria. Moreover, the Israeli source has surely been in Syria months prior to Trump's victory and probably known to the USIC already. Thus, it's not that Israeli intelligence trusted Trump, it ostensibly trusted the USIC, who in turn conveyed the intel to Trump (see my comments on this below). If you doubt Mossad's capability this was an historic intelligence coup: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_CohenAlso, as an indication of the Mossad's capability, it had successfully recruited Egyptian President Gamel Abdul Nasser's son prior to the Yom Kippur War in 1973 who warned Golda Meir that an attack was coming but Meir, for whatever reason, ignored it. If you recall, once Trump won the Republican nomination, the USIC had qualms about giving full intel briefs to candidate Trump. Amid reports that some intelligence officials have deep reservations about sharing sensitive information with Trump, Clapper said that “it is not up to the administration and not up to me personally to decide on the suitability of presidential candidates. The American electorate is deciding on the suitability of the next commander in chief.” www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/candidates-poised-for-classified-briefings-despite-spy-agency-worries-over-trump/2016/07/28/865cd686-5500-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html?utm_term=.d7b165220b0cSadly, those qualms have come true. Yes, the Israelis had also warned the USIC about intel sharing with a person so erratic as Trump but once he became President, Clapper is correct. It is difficult to suggest that the USIC should have withheld information to a President Trump (as opposed to a candidate Trump) as that would have held up the USIC as being if not disloyal towards the sitting President it could be viewed as manipulating the intel provided the sitting President. The relationship is fraught as it is now. (CIA officers and employees were seething after his disgraceful performance in front of the CIA Memorial Wall at Langley). What remains mysterious to me is H.R. McMasters's statement that Trump didn't know the source/method of the intel which he disclosed to the Russians. To me, it raises the question of the type/quality of the briefing given to Trump and whether Trump understood the import of the briefing. While Trump could have been briefed on the substance of the code word classified intel without being apprised of the source(s) and method(s) of its collection, would not the briefing indicated that it was NOT to be shared with the Russians or anyone else for that matter? Perhaps he was told that but blurted it out anyway, because he is who he is -- a braggart who wanted to show his Russian friends what great intel he had. Finally, the Israelis shared the intel with the USIC, not Trump specifically. It was up to the USIC to control its use and dissemination. I obviously have no specific knowledge of what Israeli assets may have been present in Syria and may be at risk because of Trump but IMO it is not implausible at all. And it's sad to see General McMaster carrying Trump's water like this: www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/05/21/mcmaster-does-not-deny-details-of-trumps-discussion-with-russian-officials/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_mcmaster-1130am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f1b94f6af66dThanks for the response. Unfortunately, my question was poorly worded. I have no doubt that Israel has the capabilities. What I meant to ask was, aren't the chances pretty high that the Israelis are savvy enough and wary enough of Trump that they would not be sharing any information with him that would jeopardize their assets on the ground. Was wondering if they have been testing Trump and, no surprise, he failed spectacularly. I guess that's possible but I wouldn't put it at "pretty high." If Israeli intelligence was testing Trump, it could have put out some disinformation to determine if he would leak it. As far as it appears, the code word intel is real and the subsequent change in aviation security posture would be too high a price to impose on allies for disinformation to test Trump. My gut tells me that this was a real disclosure. And ultimately, the responsibility lies with the nature of the briefing given to him and whether Trump understood it.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 10:21:56 GMT -5
Pres. Trump in Jerusalem on Russian meeting: "I never mentioned the word or the name Israel. Never mentioned it during that conversation."
Well, now he did. Thx for clearing that up POTUS... Lol...
It also looks like McMaster lied when he said Trump didn't know the source of the intel.
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AP Source: Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
TRUMP—Sept. 2016: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"
The man our President trusted with our nations top secrets is pleading the 5th 4 months in...
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Post by badgerhoya on May 22, 2017 11:31:52 GMT -5
Pretty good speech by Trump today. Now if he could only shape up (or replace) his White House staff. Amazing what happens when you use a teleprompter.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 13:24:20 GMT -5
Pretty good speech by Trump today. Now if he could only shape up (or replace) his White House staff. Amazing what happens when you use a teleprompter. Too bad he didn't have the balls to use the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism" in the speech. I thought that's what we were calling it now. You know, not being politically correct like that pantywaist Obama.
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Post by tashoya on May 22, 2017 14:22:20 GMT -5
Amazing what happens when you use a teleprompter. Too bad he didn't have the balls to use the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism" in the speech. I thought that's what we were calling it now. You know, not being politically correct like that pantywaist Obama. To be fair, that's far from the only thing he's said about Muslims or Islam that he wouldn't dare repeat on his trip. I suppose we should be thankful for that at least.
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Post by SSHoya on May 22, 2017 14:35:41 GMT -5
Too bad he didn't have the balls to use the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism" in the speech. I thought that's what we were calling it now. You know, not being politically correct like that pantywaist Obama. To be fair, that's far from the only thing he's said about Muslims or Islam that he wouldn't dare repeat on his trip. I suppose we should be thankful for that at least. McMaster is opposed to the use of the term "radical Islamic terrorism." In fact, McMaster himself has urged the president to refrain from using the phrase, arguing that violent extremists, such as ISIS militants, push a perverse view of Islam and that the phrase "radical Islamic terror" ultimately hinders U.S. goals, according to CNN. thehill.com/policy/national-security/334409-mcmaster-suggests-trump-wont-say-radical-islamic-terrorism-in-speech
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 22, 2017 16:13:23 GMT -5
President Trump reapproved Obama's Iran nuclear deal, which candidate Trump savagely trashed. McMaster urges him not to use the phrase "radical Islamic terror", advice which he thus far has wisely heeded. Trump is following the Obama playbook...
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 22, 2017 16:38:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 16:43:20 GMT -5
To be fair this Administrations email practices have been top notch as promised....
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Post by hoyarooter on May 22, 2017 17:15:48 GMT -5
President Trump reapproved Obama's Iran nuclear deal, which candidate Trump savagely trashed. McMaster urges him not to use the phrase "radical Islamic terror", advice which he thus far has wisely heeded. Trump is following the Obama playbook... I hear that Trump was actually born in Uganda. Pass it on.
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Post by SSHoya on May 22, 2017 17:39:38 GMT -5
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