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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 12:47:26 GMT -5
McMaster also said Trump decided to share the intel at the spur of the moment... Our allies that share sensitive intelligence with us probably feel much better knowing POTUS didn't know he was sharing code word intelligence. Especially considering it was with an adversary, on a whim, to show how awesome he is... Which means there was no tactical decision to disclose which necessarily indicates that we did not adhere to our intelligence sharing agreement with the other intelligence service putting at risk not only the asset but the relationship with the other intelligence service. Of note, a telephone call from Trump to King Abdullah of Jordan was added to Trump's schedule today. Draw your own conclusion. If I'm Fettulah Gulen, I'd go to ground while Erdogan is visiting. Trump just might decide to extradite him on a whim. Times is reporting it was Israel.. Previously they were warned not to share sensitive info with Trump because he might share it with the Russians... Yes I just wrote that about a sitting President
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Post by SSHoya on May 16, 2017 12:58:34 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on May 16, 2017 13:23:12 GMT -5
Actually similar to McMaster's no questions statement to the press where he denied that no sources and methods were disclosed (the Post did not so allege) and that no ongoing military operation was disclosed (the Post did not allege that either). It's a classic non-denial denial. Sadly, Trump corrupts and taints seemingly everyone he comes in contact with. My apologies. I was unclear. The funny part was asking Ed for a reasonable explanation. He's said more than once in the past that he doesn't owe anyone an explanation of his thoughts. On a message board on which he's posting and participating. Perplexing. As always, thank you for the content and perspective. I have been amazed at the hyperventilating on this board and in the MSM since Trump was elected. It has been a constant stream of negatism without any semblance of objectivity. Look back over this thread and try to find acknowledgement of anything positive about Trump. You will not find it. Posters seem to scour the Washington Post and N.Y. Times and others similarly aligned, happily reporting everything negative. You seem to take delight in slamming Trump. Trump is our President, duly elected. Has Trump said and done things I would have objected to? Yes. Yes. Yes. Do I wish someone else were President? Yes. Yes. Yes. Contrast how the MSM and you treated President Obama. Did they or you scour everywhere gleefully looking for all things bad while ignoring everything good? What about the Iran nuclear deal? What about doing nothing in Syria while over 100,000 died? What about Lois Lerner? What about refusing to enforce immigration laws he swore to defend? What about lying to the public about Benghazi? I don't recall any of you gleefully reporting any of that. As for Trumps meeting with the Russians, he apparently made a mistake. His handling of the apparent mistake after the fact was bad. In fact he needs to tighten the ship on how his messages are delivered. Others have also released information that might bring harm to us or our allies but that does not excuse Trump.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 16, 2017 13:36:26 GMT -5
McMaster also said Trump decided to share the intel at the spur of the moment... Our allies that share sensitive intelligence with us probably feel much better knowing POTUS didn't know he was sharing code word intelligence. Especially considering it was with an adversary, on a whim, to show how awesome he is... Which means there was no tactical decision to disclose which necessarily indicates that we did not adhere to our intelligence sharing agreement with the other intelligence service putting at risk not only the asset but the relationship with the other intelligence service. Of note, a telephone call from Trump to King Abdullah of Jordan was added to Trump's schedule today. Draw your own conclusion. If I'm Fettulah Gulen, I'd go to ground while Erdogan is visiting. Trump just might decide to extradite him on a whim. Gulen's probably being put on a plane right now.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 16, 2017 13:39:57 GMT -5
Let's connect the dots. Israeli intelligence is disclosed by President Trump to Russia. Russia supports Iran and Hezbollah. . .neither of which recognizes Israeli sovereignty, and both of which are enemies of Israel. Russian passes the Israeli intelligence onto both Iran and Hezbollah. Any chance that the initiating source of the intelligence in Israel is still alive? The President just hosed one of this country's most dependable Middle Eastern allies.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 13:58:44 GMT -5
My apologies. I was unclear. The funny part was asking Ed for a reasonable explanation. He's said more than once in the past that he doesn't owe anyone an explanation of his thoughts. On a message board on which he's posting and participating. Perplexing. As always, thank you for the content and perspective. I have been amazed at the hyperventilating on this board and in the MSM since Trump was elected. It has been a constant stream of negatism without any semblance of objectivity. Look back over this thread and try to find acknowledgement of anything positive about Trump. You will not find it. Posters seem to scour the Washington Post and N.Y. Times and others similarly aligned, happily reporting everything negative. You seem to take delight in slamming Trump. Trump is our President, duly elected. Has Trump said and done things I would have objected to? Yes. Yes. Yes. Do I wish someone else were President? Yes. Yes. Yes. Contrast how the MSM and you treated President Obama. Did they or you scour everywhere gleefully looking for all things bad while ignoring everything good? What about the Iran nuclear deal? What about doing nothing in Syria while over 100,000 died? What about Lois Lerner? What about refusing to enforce immigration laws he swore to defend? What about lying to the public about Benghazi? I don't recall any of you gleefully reporting any of that. As for Trumps meeting with the Russians, he apparently made a mistake. His handling of the apparent mistake after the fact was bad. In fact he needs to tighten the ship on how his messages are delivered. Others have also released information that might bring harm to us or our allies but that does not excuse Trump. So, Republicans are the snowflakes now? After eight years of lobbing grenades at Obama, they can't handle their delicate Donald Trump being criticized. The same Trump who goes around calling people "Crooked Hillary" and "Little Marco" and "Pocahontas". Sorry - this is the divisive and disrespectful society that Fox News and Breitbart have been building for at least the past eight years (and that Trump exploited to win the election). You reap what you sow. And if there are a bunch of good things that Trump has done that we're all missing, let us know. Fox News can't even scare up any positive talking points for Trump. Last night, while this intel news was breaking, they were talking about liberals and the media "melting down" over Trump and about left-wing violence at protests in Berkeley and elsewhere.
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Post by TC on May 16, 2017 14:19:11 GMT -5
Ed is basically gaslighting us.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 14:22:04 GMT -5
Oof...
Also don't know if anyone has TASS in their cable package but Russian State tv is reporting the content of what Trump told the Russians....
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 15:01:27 GMT -5
The revelation that Trump had shared that intelligence with Russian officials was Israel's "worst fears confirmed," said one of the intelligence officers. "We have an arrangement with America which is unique to the world of intelligence sharing. We do not have this relationship with any other country," said the officer, who spoke to BuzzFeed News on condition of anonymity as he was not granted permission to speak to the press. "There is a special understanding of security cooperation between our countries," they said. "To know that this intelligence is shared with others, without our prior knowledge? That is, for us, our worst fears confirmed." The officer previously spoke to BuzzFeed News in January, when he said that Israeli officials had specific concerns about what Trump would share with Russian officials. Israel, he added, routinely shared intelligence that included sources of information and asset names, he said — the type of information that could endanger the lives of those providing the raw intelligence. There has to be trust for this sort of arrangement. I cannot speak for Israel's entire security apparatus, but I would not trust a partner who shared intelligence without coordinating it with us first," said the officer. A second intelligence officer, who spoke to BuzzFeed News via encrypted app and also spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed that Israel had shared specific intelligence with the US regarding an active threat to US-bound planes. Speaking to BuzzFeed News via a military base in northern Israel, he said Israeli intelligence officers were "boiling mad and demanding answers" as to whether Israel's military would continue its current intelligence-sharing agreement with the US. www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/israeli-official-trump-sharing-intelligence-with-russia-is?utm_term=.bbrVNrr7N#.qpwwNeebN
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Post by SSHoya on May 16, 2017 15:05:45 GMT -5
Oof... Also don't know if anyone has TASS in their cable package but Russian State tv is reporting the content of what Trump told the Russians.... Unreal.... You can get RT over the air in the DC area. That's Flynn's favorite TV station. . .
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Post by SSHoya on May 16, 2017 15:20:40 GMT -5
Which means there was no tactical decision to disclose which necessarily indicates that we did not adhere to our intelligence sharing agreement with the other intelligence service putting at risk not only the asset but the relationship with the other intelligence service. Of note, a telephone call from Trump to King Abdullah of Jordan was added to Trump's schedule today. Draw your own conclusion. If I'm Fettulah Gulen, I'd go to ground while Erdogan is visiting. Trump just might decide to extradite him on a whim. Gulen's probably being put on a plane right now. Remember Flynn was secretly on Turkey's payroll (since he failed to register under FARA) wrote an opinion piece for one of the Capitol Hill newspapers arguing for the extradition of Gulen. Fortunately, all kidding aside, extradition is not likely to happen as I'm reasonably certain that the US has a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT) with Turkey which requires Turkey to provide evidence supporting its charges prior to any extradition. Career DOJ lawyers in the Office of International Affairs/Criminal Division would have to be satisfied that the evidence provided by Turkey in support of an extradition request meets an evidentiary standard. As far as I know, none exists that Gulen fomented the attempted coup last year.
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Post by EtomicB on May 16, 2017 16:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 17:39:19 GMT -5
www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/trump-comey-flynn-shutdown-238467Comey associate told me on phone minutes ago: "He would certainly comply with any subpoena or investigation." "It's very rich in detail and hopefully it will come out soon,” said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "There are other memos about his meetings too. He wrote down every word Trump said to him as soon as he could." Says he has memos of every conversation with Trump...
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Post by SSHoya on May 16, 2017 18:01:45 GMT -5
www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/trump-comey-flynn-shutdown-238467Comey associate told me on phone minutes ago: "He would certainly comply with any subpoena or investigation." "It's very rich in detail and hopefully it will come out soon,” said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "There are other memos about his meetings too. He wrote down every word Trump said to him as soon as he could." Says he has memos of every conversation with Trump... I would hazard to guess that most good lawyers compose memos to file regarding telcons, meetings, etc., contemporaneously with the telcon or meeting, or send emails confirming the telcon at or near the time of the conversation. Dealing with a guy like Trump, you'd be stupid not to. And Trump is so clueless as to not understand the import of even having this kind of conversation.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 16, 2017 18:21:42 GMT -5
My apologies. I was unclear. The funny part was asking Ed for a reasonable explanation. He's said more than once in the past that he doesn't owe anyone an explanation of his thoughts. On a message board on which he's posting and participating. Perplexing. As always, thank you for the content and perspective. I have been amazed at the hyperventilating on this board and in the MSM since Trump was elected. It has been a constant stream of negatism without any semblance of objectivity. Look back over this thread and try to find acknowledgement of anything positive about Trump. You will not find it. Posters seem to scour the Washington Post and N.Y. Times and others similarly aligned, happily reporting everything negative. You seem to take delight in slamming Trump. Trump is our President, duly elected. Has Trump said and done things I would have objected to? Yes. Yes. Yes. Do I wish someone else were President? Yes. Yes. Yes. Contrast how the MSM and you treated President Obama. Did they or you scour everywhere gleefully looking for all things bad while ignoring everything good? What about the Iran nuclear deal? What about doing nothing in Syria while over 100,000 died? What about Lois Lerner? What about refusing to enforce immigration laws he swore to defend? What about lying to the public about Benghazi? I don't recall any of you gleefully reporting any of that. As for Trumps meeting with the Russians, he apparently made a mistake. His handling of the apparent mistake after the fact was bad. In fact he needs to tighten the ship on how his messages are delivered. Others have also released information that might bring harm to us or our allies but that does not excuse Trump. I will say something positive about Trump. I maintained from day 1 of his presidency, and still believe (although I'm wavering), that Ted Cruz would have been worse. Much of what Trump has "accomplished" is pure Republican dogma. Little Marco, Lyin' Ted (that's truly a classic, considering the source) and the others would probably have done much the same. With the exception of attempting to rein in the CFPB, which has its heart in the right place but is totally out of control, I would agree with none of it, but that is what the electorate has delivered to us. But all of the garbage that has accompanied these accomplishments really shouldn't have to be part of the bargain. I take no pleasure in seeing a complete clown show having taken over the presidency. I do laugh at some of it, but with a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
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Post by prhoya on May 16, 2017 18:33:37 GMT -5
SS, your input is greatly appreciated.
Please pass the pop-corn.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 16, 2017 18:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on May 16, 2017 19:26:58 GMT -5
My apologies. I was unclear. The funny part was asking Ed for a reasonable explanation. He's said more than once in the past that he doesn't owe anyone an explanation of his thoughts. On a message board on which he's posting and participating. Perplexing. As always, thank you for the content and perspective. I have been amazed at the hyperventilating on this board and in the MSM since Trump was elected. It has been a constant stream of negatism without any semblance of objectivity. Look back over this thread and try to find acknowledgement of anything positive about Trump. You will not find it. Posters seem to scour the Washington Post and N.Y. Times and others similarly aligned, happily reporting everything negative. You seem to take delight in slamming Trump. Trump is our President, duly elected. Has Trump said and done things I would have objected to? Yes. Yes. Yes. Do I wish someone else were President? Yes. Yes. Yes. Contrast how the MSM and you treated President Obama. Did they or you scour everywhere gleefully looking for all things bad while ignoring everything good? What about the Iran nuclear deal? What about doing nothing in Syria while over 100,000 died? What about Lois Lerner? What about refusing to enforce immigration laws he swore to defend? What about lying to the public about Benghazi? I don't recall any of you gleefully reporting any of that. As for Trumps meeting with the Russians, he apparently made a mistake. His handling of the apparent mistake after the fact was bad. In fact he needs to tighten the ship on how his messages are delivered. Others have also released information that might bring harm to us or our allies but that does not excuse Trump. Apples and oranges are more closely related than President Trump and President Obama. One needn't "scour" sources for evidence of Trump's ineptitudes or failures. He does it for us nearly every day on Twitter. The negativism is there because, largely, it's warranted. What part of it has been unfair? What has he accomplished? You may be able to come up with something or two things of which you approve. But the failures? Holy crap. He's historically inept and, to make matters worse, continues on the bull-headed path of acting as though he's the brightest, most well-prepared person in the room whilst others laugh or cringe. If you can't find the sucker in the room, it's you. That should have been Trump's campaign slogan. Having said that, shots were taken at Obama for 8 straight years both on the issues and on ridiculous "hey look at this" kind of stuff. Heck, our current president took how long to concede the birth certificate thing? Regardless, that's part of the deal. At no time, however, did the previous president get so butt hurt by things said about him in the media that he called them fake or #sad or #bad or barred them in large numbers from doing their jobs whether he liked how they did them or not. With regard to the latest intelligence leak, you say Trump made a mistake? Really? That's your level of concern? Agree to disagree. By a WIDE margin. And, not for nothing, the President's answer to what happened contained no admission of having made a mistake. That doesn't worry you?
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Post by SSHoya on May 16, 2017 19:48:56 GMT -5
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Post by hoyatables on May 16, 2017 21:08:45 GMT -5
If the beginning of this thread started with "drip, drip, drip" I'd suggest we have now progressed to "flush, flush, flush"...
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