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Jul 27, 2015 9:13:41 GMT -5
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Jul 28, 2015 12:19:55 GMT -5
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Jul 28, 2015 14:46:07 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Jul 28, 2015 14:46:07 GMT -5
I hated him but that was at least partly because of how good he was and one team for which he played. Well deserved.
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Jul 28, 2015 15:44:46 GMT -5
Post by DanMcQ on Jul 28, 2015 15:44:46 GMT -5
Best pitcher I ever saw in person (multiple times).
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jul 28, 2015 19:25:18 GMT -5
Best pitcher I ever saw in person (multiple times). Same here. Saw him many times at Fenway. One of the few times everyone would get a beer or go to the bathroom while the Redsox were batting, because you wouldn't dare miss him throw a pitch.
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Jul 28, 2015 19:35:36 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Jul 28, 2015 19:35:36 GMT -5
Pedro was awesome. Without a doubt the worst trade the Dodgers made in my lifetime.
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Jul 29, 2015 15:41:21 GMT -5
Post by njhoya78 on Jul 29, 2015 15:41:21 GMT -5
In fairness, Pedro's diminutive size (especially compared to his brother Ramon) and anticipated likelihood of injury, plus the ability to acquire a proven second baseman in Delino DeShields, made the trade seem worthwhile at the time. Looks real bad in the rearview mirror.
Can you imagine if the Expos had been financially able to retain both Pedro and Randy Johnson?
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Jul 29, 2015 19:47:18 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Jul 29, 2015 19:47:18 GMT -5
In fairness, Pedro's diminutive size (especially compared to his brother Ramon) and anticipated likelihood of injury, plus the ability to acquire a proven second baseman in Delino DeShields, made the trade seem worthwhile at the time. Looks real bad in the rearview mirror. Can you imagine if the Expos had been financially able to retain both Pedro and Randy Johnson? Yep, this is true. I don't recall that anyone was wringing their hands over the deal at the time it was made. Just turned out abominably, and people realized it within a year.
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Jul 30, 2015 13:41:43 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Jul 30, 2015 13:41:43 GMT -5
Best pitcher I ever saw in person (multiple times). I guess you never saw Seaver or Gibson live...
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Post by kchoya on Jul 30, 2015 14:00:04 GMT -5
Best pitcher I ever saw in person (multiple times). I guess you never saw Seaver or Gibson live... Dang. How old do you think Dan is?
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Jul 30, 2015 14:15:26 GMT -5
Post by DanMcQ on Jul 30, 2015 14:15:26 GMT -5
Best pitcher I ever saw in person (multiple times). I guess you never saw Seaver or Gibson live... Saw Seaver in person and Gibson on TV. I'll give you Gibson, but didn't see him in person.
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Jul 30, 2015 14:51:13 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Jul 30, 2015 14:51:13 GMT -5
I guess you never saw Seaver or Gibson live... Saw Seaver in person and Gibson on TV. I'll give you Gibson, but didn't see him in person. Pedro while electrifying and exciting could not hold Seaver or Gibson's jock. Look at the innings pitched, complete games stats. They were men on the mound. And when they threw at people, they were getting in the box.
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Jul 30, 2015 15:02:02 GMT -5
Post by Filo on Jul 30, 2015 15:02:02 GMT -5
Ehh, I am a huge Mets and Seaver fan, and hate the Sox (and Yankees!), but see no reason to rain on this parade with comparisons. Like TAS, I wasn't a fan primarily bc of the teams he was on, but Pedro was absolutely great, and good dude to boot.
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Jul 30, 2015 15:10:52 GMT -5
Post by DanMcQ on Jul 30, 2015 15:10:52 GMT -5
Saw Seaver in person and Gibson on TV. I'll give you Gibson, but didn't see him in person. Pedro while electrifying and exciting could not hold Seaver or Gibson's jock. Look at the innings pitched, complete games stats. They were men on the mound. And when they threw at people, they were getting in the box. Blah blah blah blah blah. I love them all. I like Pedro best via the (my) eye test. I didn't set out to make this a chest-out stat nerd pi$$ing match. I said the best pitcher I ever saw in person.
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Jul 30, 2015 15:10:59 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Jul 30, 2015 15:10:59 GMT -5
Saw Seaver in person and Gibson on TV. I'll give you Gibson, but didn't see him in person. Pedro while electrifying and exciting could not hold Seaver or Gibson's jock. Look at the innings pitched, complete games stats. They were men on the mound. And when they threw at people, they were getting in the box. Pedro was just as good as Gibson and Seaver. Pointing to innings pitched and complete games only serves to highlight the difference between pitching in the 60's and pitching today. If Gibson and Seaver pitched today, they wouldn't have nearly the number of innings of complete games.
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Jul 30, 2015 15:15:18 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Jul 30, 2015 15:15:18 GMT -5
Which is why they wee better. They did do it.
I was merely pointing out two pitchers I believed Dan might have seen live that I think wee superior to Pedro.
However, given our ages and the lack of inter league play while Seaver and Gibson pitched, maybe he did not see them.
Pedro was great. The were better.
My opinion only.
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Jul 30, 2015 16:17:38 GMT -5
Post by njhoya78 on Jul 30, 2015 16:17:38 GMT -5
I'm with Elvado on this one.
While it may well be that, had Seaver and Gibson pitched in today's era, their innings totals and compete games would have been reduced, I don't think that Pedro could have amassed the inning totals that Seaver and Gibson did. Remember that they were pitching in the days of four man rotations, rather than the five man rotations of which Pedro was a member; less rest and significantly more innings.
I would have liked to have seen a manager try to tell Bob Gibson that he was done after six or seven innings.
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Jul 30, 2015 16:38:20 GMT -5
Post by aleutianhoya on Jul 30, 2015 16:38:20 GMT -5
I'm with Elvado on this one. While it may well be that, had Seaver and Gibson pitched in today's era, their innings totals and compete games would have been reduced, I don't think that Pedro could have amassed the inning totals that Seaver and Gibson did. Remember that they were pitching in the days of four man rotations, rather than the five man rotations of which Pedro was a member; less rest and significantly more innings. I would have liked to have seen a manager try to tell Bob Gibson that he was done after six or seven innings. Let's not forget that Gibson pitched during a time in which pitchers were dominant whereas Pedro was absolutely dominant during a period in which batters were historically dominant. That's certainly something in Pedro's favor. I do think pitching in the modern era helped Pedro to the extent that he did frequently have minor (and at times major) arm ailments that in an earlier era may have been ignored and exacerbated. So his career may well have been short circuited thirty years earlier. I think the far better comp for Pedro is someone like a Koufax. Utterly dominant for a relatively short period of time. It's also true that he pitched with undeniable panache (Gibson did as well, although in a different way). I can't think of a great pitcher today (Cueto?) that is similar in that regard.
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