rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 5, 2015 10:38:25 GMT -5
Exactly. Seems as if the staff and players are doing their part in improving the quality of the fan base one poster at a time. I can't believe that guy was really a GU fan, makes me feel a little embarrassed for our fanbase, I guess there will always be a few bad apples though... I know sky, and questioning whether he was "really a GU fan" is off base. That said, everyone is entitled to their opinions and sky is no different in that regard. I wasn't questioning whether or not he was a fan, more that he was respresentative of what we all hope a GU fan should be. Sounds like a great guy though if his last straw was the players being allowed to voice they're own opinions about a very serious issue that they have to deal with on a daily basis in this country. That was sarcasm. That's not what true fandom is supposed to be about. Like some other poster alluded to above, these are student-athletes with opinions, amibitions, and fears just like the rest of us, they're not robots that are playing for the sole purpose of providing entertainment to folk who cant even empathize with some of the very serious struggles they face in society. My point is that the GU basketball program has always been, and I hope will continue to be, about things much bigger than basketball. III is grooming these men to be the best possible version of themselves, not just people who only care about how nice their handle or jump shot looks. GU is bigger than that and it's just surpRising hearing such an opinion from someone who has claimed to be a fan of the program for so long. Obviously he's following the wrong team.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jun 5, 2015 12:03:47 GMT -5
Two tips I can give you for improving your enjoyment of season tickets:
1) Don't eat at Verizon Center. There are a ton of decent to good restaurants within a couple of blocks and even for noon Saturday starts you can get a nice brunch at Matchbox and still be in plenty of time for the opening tip. 2) Consider joining us in the upper deck. Seriously. If cost is of any concern to you please consider that my seat in the center section of the 400 level cost me $13/game last season. Yep, that's about the cost of a movie ticket. The sightlines are terrific and in some ways the view is better than being down close. Believe me I can see when a guard is releasing after a shot to start a fast break before 90% of you in the 100s can. (I know, being down close is way cool but my point is being up high is a lot better than you might think). And did I mention it costs $13/game?
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 5, 2015 12:57:31 GMT -5
I've been a season ticket holder for over 20 years, excluding the last year of Esherick, but I've decided not to renew. If you don't care, stop reading and don't reply. But I thought some people might be interested to know why and whether my decision is an indication of things to come. Also, I am not renewing my season tickets but I will continue to attend some games home and away and make my donation to the program and support the Hoyas. I'd like to thank DHall and congratulate him on over 20 years as a season ticket holder. That's awesome. Fans like him are priceless. Moreover, he is going to stay an avid fan of the program and will continue to attend games - not as many, but will be there for the big ones I'm guessing. He explained his reasons why he no longer wants to shell out the big bucks for the best seats. OK, that's his value proposition. How many of the posters who have been criticizing his decision and his thought process have spent as much $$ on Hoya tickets over the last 20 years? Sure, it's great when we can get as many fans to games as possible. DHall has done his share. Continue to go to games when you can, watch the rest (or most) on TV. Hoyatalk is a great gathering place for all kinds of Hoya fans.... and DHall has proven his loyalty over the past couple of decades. Good for him. You can be just as avid a fan without buying season tickets every year.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Jun 5, 2015 13:57:17 GMT -5
I know sky, and questioning whether he was "really a GU fan" is off base. That said, everyone is entitled to their opinions and sky is no different in that regard. I wasn't questioning whether or not he was a fan, more that he was respresentative of what we all hope a GU fan should be. Sounds like a great guy though if his last straw was the players being allowed to voice they're own opinions about a very serious issue that they have to deal with on a daily basis in this country. That was sarcasm. That's not what true fandom is supposed to be about. Like some other poster alluded to above, these are student-athletes with opinions, amibitions, and fears just like the rest of us, they're not robots that are playing for the sole purpose of providing entertainment to folk who cant even empathize with some of the very serious struggles they face in society. My point is that the GU basketball program has always been, and I hope will continue to be, about things much bigger than basketball. III is grooming these men to be the best possible version of themselves, not just people who only care about how nice their handle or jump shot looks. GU is bigger than that and it's just surpRising hearing such an opinion from someone who has claimed to be a fan of the program for so long. Obviously he's following the wrong team. I have followed the Hoyas all around he country, from Milwaukee, to Maui, to Minn, to Providence, to Orlando, TO Charleston. MY POINT WAS: I WAS OFFENED THAT they wore the shirts representing Georgetown on national TV and that MIGHT NOT BE AN OPINION THE UNIVESRSITY WOULD LIKR TO PROJECT. That represents III lack of institutional control of the players he is charged with mentoring. That was not the only reason that I haven't renewed, just threw it in the mix to represent U's old dudes"
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 5, 2015 14:03:16 GMT -5
I don't think III lacks institutional control. I think instead he actually agreed with the idea of the student-athletes expressing their personal beliefs on that one matter.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 5, 2015 14:16:19 GMT -5
I have followed the Hoyas all around he country, from Milwaukee, to Maui, to Minn, to Providence, to Orlando, TO Charleston. MY POINT WAS: I WAS OFFENED THAT they wore the shirts representing Georgetown on national TV and that MIGHT NOT BE AN OPINION THE UNIVESRSITY WOULD LIKR TO PROJECT. That represents III lack of institutional control of the players he is charged with mentoring. That was not the only reason that I haven't renewed, just threw it in the mix to represent U's old dudes" Except your point is completely and totally wrong because the University touted it all over the place as something they did want to promote. Example : alumni.georgetown.edu/newsevents/newsevents_634.html
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 5, 2015 14:27:09 GMT -5
I don't think III lacks institutional control. I think instead he actually agreed with the idea of the student-athletes expressing their personal beliefs on that one matter. This. The players were not boycotting a game, or organizing a demonstration. The University promotes and encourages all students to be active, expressive parts of their communities. Players don't lose that status by bouncing a basketball.
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kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Jun 5, 2015 15:02:23 GMT -5
I wasn't questioning whether or not he was a fan, more that he was respresentative of what we all hope a GU fan should be. Sounds like a great guy though if his last straw was the players being allowed to voice they're own opinions about a very serious issue that they have to deal with on a daily basis in this country. That was sarcasm. That's not what true fandom is supposed to be about. Like some other poster alluded to above, these are student-athletes with opinions, amibitions, and fears just like the rest of us, they're not robots that are playing for the sole purpose of providing entertainment to folk who cant even empathize with some of the very serious struggles they face in society. My point is that the GU basketball program has always been, and I hope will continue to be, about things much bigger than basketball. III is grooming these men to be the best possible version of themselves, not just people who only care about how nice their handle or jump shot looks. GU is bigger than that and it's just surpRising hearing such an opinion from someone who has claimed to be a fan of the program for so long. Obviously he's following the wrong team. I have followed the Hoyas all around he country, from Milwaukee, to Maui, to Minn, to Providence, to Orlando, TO Charleston. MY POINT WAS: I WAS OFFENED THAT they wore the shirts representing Georgetown on national TV and that MIGHT NOT BE AN OPINION THE UNIVESRSITY WOULD LIKR TO PROJECT. That represents III lack of institutional control of the players he is charged with mentoring. That was not the only reason that I haven't renewed, just threw it in the mix to represent U's old dudes" I'm offended at your inability to spell (and properly use the caps lock).
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Jun 5, 2015 15:29:49 GMT -5
"Lack of institutional control" says the Penn State fan. Enjoy the volleyball.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 5, 2015 16:28:29 GMT -5
"Lack of institutional control" says the Penn State fan. Enjoy the volleyball. Oh snap, counselor.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Jun 5, 2015 19:29:24 GMT -5
"Lack of institutional control" says the Penn State fan. Enjoy the volleyball. I was thinking of UNC. The girls won the national championship 6 out of the last 8 years.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 5, 2015 19:43:15 GMT -5
I think the operative question is what Georgetown does to reach out to what the Advancement folks call the "LYBUNTS" (last year, but not this year), or do they simply consider non-renewals as churn and little else. The (unstated, for obvious reasons) other main source of non-renewals is professional scalpers who have decided that they can no longer turn a profit by getting season tickets and reselling them all.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 7, 2015 12:57:17 GMT -5
im renewing mine GREAT Season coming up GREAT schedule yup great sos coming up this team will SURPRISE imo otto like copelan et al GO HOYAS cant wait AND tough preseason in italy AND marylan duke-vcu-wisconsin tourney CUSE oh my cant wait
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Jun 7, 2015 13:18:54 GMT -5
im renewing mine GREAT Season coming up GREAT schedule yup great sos coming up this team will SURPRISE imo otto like copelan et al GO HOYAS cant wait AND tough preseason in italy AND marylan duke-vcu-wisconsin tourney CUSE oh my cant wait Can I get some of what you are smoking?
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Post by kchoya on Jun 7, 2015 13:58:35 GMT -5
im renewing mine GREAT Season coming up GREAT schedule yup great sos coming up this team will SURPRISE imo otto like copelan et al GO HOYAS cant wait AND tough preseason in italy AND marylan duke-vcu-wisconsin tourney CUSE oh my cant wait Can I get some of what you are smoking? Did you "like" your own post?
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Post by drquigley on Jun 7, 2015 14:05:51 GMT -5
Except for the t-Shirt comments, this has been a valuable discussion. We all need to come to grips with the new Big East and how it is impacting the Verizon Center experience. No doubt about it that Creighton, Butler, and Xavier, while good programs and definitely the best we could probably come up with just don't generate the excitement and Verizon experience as Syracuse, UCONN, and N.D./Louisville/Pitt. Probably just the East Coast bias. I think over time Butler and Xavier rivalries will become much more intense and maybe will attract more fans to Verizon. But Creighton, in my mind, will always be a ho-hum who cares game. Omaha? Really? I think what made Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, and Uconn games so great was that many of us have friends and/or colleagues who went to these schools plus these schools had great alumni bases in the area. Unfortunately that's not true of the new additions. So et's see what happens with this years great Hoya team. BTW, I developed a big hate for Xavier this year and with a few more face punches by them I may learn to hate them as much as Syracuse.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 7, 2015 14:18:53 GMT -5
I do have to say, though, that Item #3 is the one that confuses me the most.
How is any of this worse under JTIII than it was under Pops or Esherick, during the heyday of Dhall season ticket ownership? Coaching salaries may not have been as crazy yet, but they were already higher than any other administrator, and Pops was basically given a lifetime sinecure.
(Brief aside here: a huge part of why college coaching salaries are so high is that the labor market for coaches extends into the professional ranks, where coaches all get paid in the millions. Where such a labor market does not exist - think lacrosse and field hockey coaches - the salaries are more reasonable. Regardless, inflated salaries do not inherently mean that the players on the team itself are professionals vs. amateurs.)
The standards for players that JTIII has established are unquestionably higher than those that his father and Esh had in place, so again, I fail to see what the cause of this sudden change of heart is. Josh Smith? He's a kid with obvious self-discipline/motivation issues, and even still, he likely could've gotten himself over the finish line if he wanted to. When he didn't meet standards, he didn't play, which is as it should be. As for "others I prefer not to name," it's kind of hard to argue in the abstract, but if you're referring to who I think you are, then I think it's a real stretch to say that JTIII should have known that said individual had the proclivities that he turned out to have. As opposed to someone like, say, AI, whom Pops took knowing his baggage full well. And, again, from the outside it looks like standards are being enforced and individuals who fail to meet them are no longer on the team, which is more than we can say for most other programs out there.
It may not be a purely "charitable/educational endeavor anymore" - was it ever? - but very few Hoyas will end up being lucky enough to have "professional basketball player" as the only job title they ever have. I think that Georgetown under JTIII does a pretty good job - better than under the previous two coaches, probably - in preparing players for that eventuality. A better job than Calhoun-factories out there that don't think twice about jettisoning players who have outlived their usefulness.
They're all fair critiques, they're just not in any way new. Or, I'd argue, any worse than they have been in the past.
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Post by birdman on Jun 7, 2015 16:30:32 GMT -5
Except for the t-Shirt comments, this has been a valuable discussion. We all need to come to grips with the new Big East and how it is impacting the Verizon Center experience. No doubt about it that Creighton, Butler, and Xavier, while good programs and definitely the best we could probably come up with just don't generate the excitement and Verizon experience as Syracuse, UCONN, and N.D./Louisville/Pitt. Probably just the East Coast bias. I think over time Butler and Xavier rivalries will become much more intense and maybe will attract more fans to Verizon. But Creighton, in my mind, will always be a ho-hum who cares game. Omaha? Really? I think what made Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, and Uconn games so great was that many of us have friends and/or colleagues who went to these schools plus these schools had great alumni bases in the area. Unfortunately that's not true of the new additions. So et's see what happens with this years great Hoya team. BTW, I developed a big hate for Xavier this year and with a few more face punches by them I may learn to hate them as much as Syracuse. I love comments like these. The "I propose that I wish that the 'old' Big East structure remained in place" position is a productive one and worthy of merit. "Fans" who aren't interested in watching our team play their opponents within the conference are fans of watching other teams play.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 7, 2015 16:37:05 GMT -5
Except for the t-Shirt comments, this has been a valuable discussion. We all need to come to grips with the new Big East and how it is impacting the Verizon Center experience. No doubt about it that Creighton, Butler, and Xavier, while good programs and definitely the best we could probably come up with just don't generate the excitement and Verizon experience as Syracuse, UCONN, and N.D./Louisville/Pitt. Probably just the East Coast bias. I think over time Butler and Xavier rivalries will become much more intense and maybe will attract more fans to Verizon. But Creighton, in my mind, will always be a ho-hum who cares game. Omaha? Really? I think what made Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, and Uconn games so great was that many of us have friends and/or colleagues who went to these schools plus these schools had great alumni bases in the area. Unfortunately that's not true of the new additions. So et's see what happens with this years great Hoya team. BTW, I developed a big hate for Xavier this year and with a few more face punches by them I may learn to hate them as much as Syracuse. I agree with the general point but when Creighton is good it's a great game. I'll take the Xavier-Cincy swap any day. III has shown he can schedule very well and it's clear he is scheduling to bring back some of those old rivalries. Don't sleep on St Johns - it was a great rivalry when the old Big East started and it feels like it will return to that level soon.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 7, 2015 16:37:22 GMT -5
i like the hoyas NUF SAID go hoyas good year coming yup and it IS about much more than just the bball THATS why its not a pro team yup.. eg Tyler Adams??
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