Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 17, 2015 23:58:01 GMT -5
I would also be more then happy with Jones as well! If we get any one of the 4 guards were currently on to pair up with Mosely, I'll be happy.
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Post by JWallsTreBalls on Sept 19, 2015 8:19:56 GMT -5
Indiana
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 19, 2015 8:20:24 GMT -5
Jones to Indiana
Curtis Jones going with the Hoosiers The four-star guard, and No. 55 player in the ESPN 100 for 2016, committed to the school Saturday, he told ESPN. Jones chose the Hoosiers over offers from Georgetown, California and Oklahoma State, deciding to go with "the tradition of Indiana, along with Coach [Tom] Crean's plan for me to develop over time."
Next....
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Sept 19, 2015 8:34:44 GMT -5
Gotta be frustrating for the staff. Seems like this kid was Hoosier-bound for a while but the staff still had to put the time and effort in. Guess it is all part of the recruiting game, but man what a waste.
I get the choice for PT and all, but the kid and his parents have to realize that there is a very good chance that Creepy Crean will not be there at some point over the next few years.
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BeantownHoya
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Post by BeantownHoya on Sept 19, 2015 8:36:50 GMT -5
Crap...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 19, 2015 8:37:09 GMT -5
Should help us with Brown.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 19, 2015 8:57:01 GMT -5
Staff knew it was at uphill battle at the end but kept at it. Tough one. We need LJ peak to blow up and make the league.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 19, 2015 9:22:25 GMT -5
Staff knew it was at uphill battle at the end but kept at it. Tough one. We need LJ peak to blow up and make the league. This.....plus Whit and Kaleb would make 3 guards in the league and would kill the narrative about GTown guards......
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Sept 19, 2015 9:22:37 GMT -5
Should help us with Brown. I thought Jones was closer to coming here than Brown, but who really knows with recruiting. Let's get (positively) surprised!
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Sept 19, 2015 9:25:47 GMT -5
Staff knew it was at uphill battle at the end but kept at it. Tough one. We need LJ peak to blow up and make the league. This.....plus Whit and Kaleb would make 3 guards in the league and would kill the narrative about GTown guards...... Kaleb? DSR.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 9:49:11 GMT -5
Brown looks like he's going to wait until Spring imo....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 10:11:40 GMT -5
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Sept 19, 2015 10:19:31 GMT -5
Staff knew it was at uphill battle at the end but kept at it. Tough one. We need LJ peak to blow up and make the league. This.....plus Whit and Kaleb would make 3 guards in the league and would kill the narrative about GTown guards...... Just having someone (hopefully/barely) on a roster isn't going to kill any narratives. If LJ blows up this year and goes lottery, then we can talk. But if he gets drafted in the latter part of the second round and bounces around the D-League, then nothing has changed. We need someone like LJ, Tre or maybe even Jagan to do what Otto did.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Sept 19, 2015 10:20:25 GMT -5
Staff knew it was at uphill battle at the end but kept at it. Tough one. We need LJ peak to blow up and make the league. This.....plus Whit and Kaleb would make 3 guards in the league and would kill the narrative about GTown guards...... Lol. There is going to be some serious teeth gnashing on here and elsewhere in Hoyaland if we don't land any of our 3 prime guard targets. We haven't landed a Top 100 prototype 1 or 2 since DSR. That's pretty terrible but can't fault the Staff...they are working their butts off. We just don't put guards in the league and have to face off against blue blood programs in better conferences. Still, that shouldn't prevent us from nabbing a top guard from time to time...I'm somewhat perplexed and pretty disappointed. Granted hat disappointment will abate of we pull a rabbit out of a hat and land seventh or brown.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 19, 2015 10:38:51 GMT -5
At least staff has clarity on this while Norvell is on campus. Gotta think they will push for a commitment before Norvell trips to Oregon. Woods and Brown too much of a longshot at this point to wait around any longer.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 19, 2015 10:44:45 GMT -5
There are programs with coaches who doesn't have much if any track record with developing elite power forwards and centers and then one day that coach successfully recruit an elite power forward and or an elite center. It isn't always about who you produced in the NBA as much a sit is about recruiting great players and then using them effectively.
As so far as guards are concerned even if III draws in a five star talent tomorrow there is still the question of how he will utilize such a player. All I keep hearing and reading is about how the Hoyas run their offense through their big men, how the Hoyas will allow the forward to make the decisions on offense. Come to Georgetown and be the next Jeff Green!! This isn't just coming from III, much of this comes from Hoya fans on this board. To some elite guards though they may feel better off playing in a more traditional system that allows the guards to have their hands on the ball more often. Granted I think III has gotten better at emphasizing more on guard play but the perception may still be out there that our guards are not truly working on improving their skills.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 19, 2015 10:55:51 GMT -5
Look, JT3 has been here long enough that he's got a proven track record of not putting guards in the league. Extremely easy for a guy like Crean to recruit against. It's just a fact at this point. Looking at it from CuJo's perspective, do you want to play for the guy who produced DWade and Oladipo, or the guy who took Chris Wright and Austin Freeman from the McD's AA game to the D-League?
That said, there's at least a 10% chance that Crean gets canned if his team underachieves this year. His act has worn very thin among the IU faithful and recruits like CuJo aren't instant impact enough to keep Crean around if this year goes south. As such, staff would be wise to keep in touch with CuJo's peeps and retain good relationships there.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 19, 2015 11:16:27 GMT -5
There are programs with coaches who doesn't have much if any track record with developing elite power forwards and centers and then one day that coach successfully recruit an elite power forward and or an elite center. It isn't always about who you produced in the NBA as much a sit is about recruiting great players and then using them effectively. As so far as guards are concerned even if III draws in a five star talent tomorrow there is still the question of how he will utilize such a player. All I keep hearing and reading is about how the Hoyas run their offense through their big men, how the Hoyas will allow the forward to make the decisions on offense. Come to Georgetown and be the next Jeff Green!! This isn't just coming from III, much of this comes from Hoya fans on this board. To some elite guards though they may feel better off playing in a more traditional system that allows the guards to have their hands on the ball more often. Granted I think III has gotten better at emphasizing more on guard play but the perception may still be out there that our guards are not truly working on improving their skills. I don't see what's wrong with this philosophy at all, kids who are 6-7 & up are much more skilled nowadays so having a system that emphasizes this can't be viewed as a negative imo.. So what if the staff isn't able to land what folks on the board consider top(NBA) talent at the guard spot, they can still get kids who can compliment the top talent they're getting at the forward spots.. I say play to your strengths..
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dense
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Post by dense on Sept 19, 2015 14:15:15 GMT -5
Someone change the title
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 19, 2015 16:47:20 GMT -5
There are programs with coaches who doesn't have much if any track record with developing elite power forwards and centers and then one day that coach successfully recruit an elite power forward and or an elite center. It isn't always about who you produced in the NBA as much a sit is about recruiting great players and then using them effectively. As so far as guards are concerned even if III draws in a five star talent tomorrow there is still the question of how he will utilize such a player. All I keep hearing and reading is about how the Hoyas run their offense through their big men, how the Hoyas will allow the forward to make the decisions on offense. Come to Georgetown and be the next Jeff Green!! This isn't just coming from III, much of this comes from Hoya fans on this board. To some elite guards though they may feel better off playing in a more traditional system that allows the guards to have their hands on the ball more often. Granted I think III has gotten better at emphasizing more on guard play but the perception may still be out there that our guards are not truly working on improving their skills. I don't see what's wrong with this philosophy at all, kids who are 6-7 & up are much more skilled nowadays so having a system that emphasizes this can't be viewed as a negative imo.. So what if the staff isn't able to land what folks on the board consider top(NBA) talent at the guard spot, they can still get kids who can compliment the top talent they're getting at the forward spots.. I say play to your strengths.. I don't think you take the ball out of the guards' hands unless you have forwards and centers who can truly create. Otherwise too many times you have frontcourt players at the top of the key waiting for teammates to get open for backdoor passes or something like that. That's too much stagnation, that's too wasteful of the shotclock. This doesn't mean you don't give your frontcourt players opportunities if they do have the ability to create, but I have seen no evidence yet that the offense III runs becomes more efficient by handing the ball over to the guys in the frontcourt. If you have Scottie Pippen or Grant Hill types who could legitimately play the role of a point guard then by all means let the offense run through them. If you have a big that is just as comfortable on the perimeter as he is posting up on the block and can pass extremely well no matter where he is on the court then maybe he too is an ideal player to have the offense ran through. I'm not sure III has had such a player with the possible exception of Monroe. I'm not advocating eliminating entirely the Geens, Hibberts and Porters of the world from creating time to time. What I'm arguing is to not have that as the designated play to execute most times the Hoyas have the ball. It shouldn't be predetermined.
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