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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 20, 2016 11:34:01 GMT -5
I neglected to mention what I think has been a crucial upgrade: Coach Slo. Bingo. A great reassessment of the staff by the man in charge.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 12:08:38 GMT -5
BUMP Another year of poor PG play from a JT3 team. You can't win without a true PG. It was poor guard play all around, not PG. Peak, DSR, and Tre took it lightly. Yep, you can't win without a true point guard!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 12:13:00 GMT -5
Wasn't aware that the test of a good college guard is where he was drafted in the NBA. These are four year players who are candidates for league POY as upperclassmen. What could you possibly have against that? The fact that Chris Wright was a couple inches too short or Markel was a mediocre athlete or DSR isn't much of a leaper effects their draft position but as a person who wants to see the Hoyas win games, so what? If they weren't those things, they would have left after a year or two anyway. We're doing fine recruiting guards. We could do better, but to say we have an inability to recruit point guards is just silly beyond belief looking at the level of point guard play we've had under JT3. WRONG!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2017 12:14:54 GMT -5
We handled the pressure in the backcourt. One "five second" violation, which may or may not have been a legit call. Otherwise, the problem was in the front court, once we crossed the center stripe. That's where the sloppy play took over. This dissection of "poor point guard" recruitment and play is really straining to find a negative, on a day when we should be basking in the warmth and glory of a win which few pundits foresaw. Struggling to find a negative...um no. I am sorry, but we had a 25 point lead that went away because our guards couldn't handle the pressure of getting the ball in bounds across the stripe and into the hands of others in position to be successful......and every single player on scholarship who could qualify as a guard was on the floor. A Big Sky team put more pressure on us than our talent could handle. That is sad. Maybe we need fewer 6'8" swingmen and more guys with a handle and some composure. a TRUE point guard will know when he's bringing the ball up if there's a press to post a big man at center court or the foul line to help get the ball upcourt.
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Post by tullamore2 on Mar 11, 2017 20:14:48 GMT -5
Bump!!!
I started this thread 2 years ago and stand by it.
JT3 can't recruit point guards.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 11, 2017 20:18:51 GMT -5
Bump!!! I started this thread 2 years ago and stand by it. JT3 can't recruit point guards. What were your thoughts when he signed on?
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Post by tullamore2 on Mar 11, 2017 20:37:14 GMT -5
Bump!!! I started this thread 2 years ago and stand by it. JT3 can't recruit point guards. What were your thoughts when he signed on? I thought wow.....maybe I was wrong but after tonight, JT3 once again....proved he is incompetent bringing point guards to Georgetown. 3 things that we all can count on: Death, taxes & JT3 inability to get PG's to come play at Georgetown.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 11, 2017 20:43:42 GMT -5
We obviously don't know exactly what Tremont is thinking but this makes sense on the surface. He was recruited on the premise the offense would change and he was quoted as seeing what he needed to see right before he committed. And then he watches as JT3 totally scraps any changes and goes back to the old offense. If that's what he based his decision off of, this is totally on JT3.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 11, 2017 20:54:04 GMT -5
We obviously don't know exactly what Tremont is thinking but this makes sense on the surface. He was recruited on the premise the offense would change and he was quoted as seeing what he needed to see right before he committed. And then he watches as JT3 totally scraps any changes and goes back to the old offense. If that's what he based his decision off of, this is totally on JT3. He was also quoted as saying he could play in any system & that his HS team played a Princeton type system.. JT3 & the team are partly to blame but the administration gets the bulk of the blame for staying silent over the past 2-3 weeks..
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Post by TC on Mar 11, 2017 21:18:31 GMT -5
We obviously don't know exactly what Tremont is thinking but this makes sense on the surface. He was recruited on the premise the offense would change and he was quoted as seeing what he needed to see right before he committed. And then he watches as JT3 totally scraps any changes and goes back to the old offense. If that's what he based his decision off of, this is totally on JT3. Except that's not what he said in his statement. His reason in the statement was obviously the perceived coaching instability.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 11, 2017 21:20:22 GMT -5
We obviously don't know exactly what Tremont is thinking but this makes sense on the surface. He was recruited on the premise the offense would change and he was quoted as seeing what he needed to see right before he committed. And then he watches as JT3 totally scraps any changes and goes back to the old offense. If that's what he based his decision off of, this is totally on JT3. He was also quoted as saying he could play in any system & that his HS team played a Princeton type system.. JT3 & the team are partly to blame but the administration gets the bulk of the blame for staying silent over the past 2-3 weeks.. How is staying silent an issue?
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 11, 2017 21:42:30 GMT -5
He was also quoted as saying he could play in any system & that his HS team played a Princeton type system.. JT3 & the team are partly to blame but the administration gets the bulk of the blame for staying silent over the past 2-3 weeks.. How is staying silent an issue? Because it allowed the turmoil around the program to fester.. This avalanche started with the loss to DePaul, in that time Gtown cancelled media time, refused to answer questions and ended the season on a 6 game losing streak.. This prompted a number of negative articles, blog postings ect.. Pops has taken a beating over the past 10-12 days, he's been made out to be a tyrant of sorts.. A lot of this could have been blunted by coming out & saying JT3 is our guy or we'll be moving on at the end of the season, staying silent was a mistake imo..
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Mar 12, 2017 15:29:41 GMT -5
I'm hoping that this is "Fake News"or just a case of the jitters! For myself I've been quiet all season long because I know my role, my role is plane and simple, I am a fan of the Hoya's! I am a fan of the legacy that Big John built at this university, I love the school and the team! I don't assume to know all the goings on behind closed doors and would never repeat it if I did (unless it was positive). I blame the fans for this setback, the fans for not supporting the university and the team. And what I mean by supporting the team, by keeping the negative comments to a limit. Every school will or has encountered ups and downs but these past few years have been the worst! IMO we air out far too many of what we like to call "JTIII's mis-steps in recruiting" but I also see a lot of the positives. There has been several kids that we could've gotten that would've brought NCAA sanctions against the team and completely killed all team chemistry. School me if I'm wrong but our offensive tempo has only moved as fast as our players ability. I've seen less of Hayes standing at the top of the key looking to pass the ball, I seen less three pointers going up because we're driving more to the board, so what am I missing other then points in transition. We can't play fast ball like Creighton if we don't have a Watson or a Waters. We can't open up passing lanes if we don't have lateral quickness and passing. Quickness is not trainable it takes conditioning and time, I ran track I know that much. At this point I only hope that JTIII has a back-up plan or he can get back in this kids ear, confidence is swaying but if we really want Waters as fans we need to make it vocal! Petition for Waters!!!!!!
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Post by hoyafan2014 on Mar 12, 2017 15:40:15 GMT -5
I'm hoping that this is "Fake News"or just a case of the jitters! For myself I've been quiet all season long because I know my role, my role is plane and simple, I am a fan of the Hoya's! I am a fan of the legacy that Big John built at this university, I love the school and the team! I don't assume to know all the goings on behind closed doors and would never repeat it if I did (unless it was positive). I blame the fans for this setback, the fans for not supporting the university and the team. And what I mean by supporting the team, by keeping the negative comments to a limit. Every school will or has encountered ups and downs but these past few years have been the worst! IMO we air out far too many of what we like to call "JTIII's mis-steps in recruiting" but I also see a lot of the positives. There has been several kids that we could've gotten that would've brought NCAA sanctions against the team and completely killed all team chemistry. School me if I'm wrong but our offensive tempo has only moved as fast as our players ability. I've seen less of Hayes standing at the top of the key looking to pass the ball, I seen less three pointers going up because we're driving more to the board, so what am I missing other then points in transition. We can't play fast ball like Creighton if we don't have a Watson or a Waters. We can't open up passing lanes if we don't have lateral quickness and passing. Quickness is not trainable it takes conditioning and time, I ran track I know that much. At this point I only hope that JTIII has a back-up plan or he can get back in this kids ear, confidence is swaying but it we really want Waters as fans we need to make it vocal! Petition for Waters!!!!!! Great Post! JTIII did successfully recruit 3 point guards (Wright, Starks, and now Waters). Our crazy fan base that still thinks that it is 1989 has really mucked things up at this point. There are probably many reasons on why this kid committed to Georgetown, but JTIII is the #1 reason. Does anybody think that he wants to come to Georgetown next year and hear that stuff while he is on the court. To quote a commenter on Casual Hoya, "Thanks Millenials".
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 12, 2017 17:04:26 GMT -5
Struggling to find a negative...um no. I am sorry, but we had a 25 point lead that went away because our guards couldn't handle the pressure of getting the ball in bounds across the stripe and into the hands of others in position to be successful......and every single player on scholarship who could qualify as a guard was on the floor. A Big Sky team put more pressure on us than our talent could handle. That is sad. Maybe we need fewer 6'8" swingmen and more guys with a handle and some composure. a TRUE point guard will know when he's bringing the ball up if there's a press to post a big man at center court or the foul line to help get the ball upcourt. From what I understand is that JT3 doesn't specifically have a true pg running the offense. He wants 5 guys who can pass/shoot/dribble (positionless players on the floor). I think fans are being too caught up in having this true pg to run the offense if he himself doesn't incorporate that.
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Post by practice on Mar 12, 2017 17:11:06 GMT -5
a TRUE point guard will know when he's bringing the ball up if there's a press to post a big man at center court or the foul line to help get the ball upcourt. From what I understand is that JT3 doesn't specifically have a true pg running the offense. He wants 5 guys who can pass/shoot/dribble (positionless players on the floor). I think fans are being too caught up in having this true pg to run the offense if he himself doesn't incorporate that. Let's face it ... JT3's best passers have been Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert, Greg Monroe, Otto Porter, Henry Sims ... it's the high post position that makes all of those backdoor cut passes. It doesn't operate so well with Agau, Hayes and Govan trying to thread the needle. PG's in the Georgetown offensive are often regulated to bringing the ball up the court and initiating the offense. I think it's fair to say that Wright and Starks both thought that their talents weren't on full display during their careers. Waters dismissed those concerns year ... I believe he was fairly confident that adjustments would be made to highlight his skill set. This is a case, sadly, were JT3 did recruit a top point guard ...
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 12, 2017 21:19:50 GMT -5
From what I understand is that JT3 doesn't specifically have a true pg running the offense. He wants 5 guys who can pass/shoot/dribble (positionless players on the floor). I think fans are being too caught up in having this true pg to run the offense if he himself doesn't incorporate that. Let's face it ... JT3's best passers have been Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert, Greg Monroe, Otto Porter, Henry Sims ... it's the high post position that makes all of those backdoor cut passes. It doesn't operate so well with Agau, Hayes and Govan trying to thread the needle. PG's in the Georgetown offensive are often regulated to bringing the ball up the court and initiating the offense. I think it's fair to say that Wright and Starks both thought that their talents weren't on full display during their careers. Waters dismissed those concerns year ... I believe he was fairly confident that adjustments would be made to highlight his skill set. This is a case, sadly, were JT3 did recruit a top point guard ... What's amazing is that Coach K uses the same philosophy (positionless players) from an older article. collegebasketball.ap.org/article/positionless-basketball-taking-hold-college
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Post by saxa69 on Mar 27, 2017 7:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 27, 2017 8:20:53 GMT -5
Hopefully, the tide will shortly shift. The fact that our former coach is an alum and we have missed out on all their guards speaks volumes. Whatever it is we were selling PGs, they clearly were not buying it.
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Post by 95hoya on Mar 27, 2017 8:24:58 GMT -5
We were never in it for Hubb which is just strange and a reason a change was needed. Too many examples like him.
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