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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2015 23:39:40 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Mack said after the game he was glad the game didn't go to overtime because they would have probably lost by 15. He's exaggerating but I am confident if we had slightly more time, we would have won.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 13, 2015 23:40:51 GMT -5
Game turned when Jabril finally decided enough was enough and got his team fired up by refusing to back down to a bully. The others responded. Cope benefitted when Reynolds went to the bench, and by the time he got back, it was too late to shut Cope down. The press was a tremendous adjustment. I was Editeded when we just let St. John's run 30 seconds off the clock every possession in the 2nd half comfortably 2 weeks ago. We need to do anything we can to speed up the game when we get behind like that. The press didn't force direct turnovers, but it clearly rattled Xavier and threw their offense out of sync. Needed this result, even if it wasn't a win. Teaching point especially to the young guys that the game is never over and to continue competing even if things aren't going your way. The game turned when Ike hit a bunch of jumpers and they missed 5 FTs. The tech helped, but it wasn't like our guys weren't fighting and trying hard before. Well basically, it was more a case of you finally had a guy willing to take shots from areas of the floor he could hit them with regularity instead of guys who we really don't want taking shots hoisting up NBA 3's. When Cope goes into God mode, he is a scary, scary dude. |
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Post by Buckets on Mar 13, 2015 23:42:09 GMT -5
I am gagged!! They got out played out hustled and out coached until the tech.Its sad that the players have to rely on themselves to fire themselves up b/c the coach doesn't know how to do it come tourney time.Its like watching the movie ground hog day every year at this time.You know its coming but just don't want to believe it. Does being fired up make you hit shots? Didn't realize this is NBA jam. We have a very even keeled coach, which leads to a very even keeled team. Did you even see Mack vs JTIII near the end? One was practically sh*ting himself, which one was that? It may not be what everyone wants and is looking for but that is his style. Be honest It would be really cool if college ball was NBA Jam right! |
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 13, 2015 23:42:55 GMT -5
Here's what just happened, and amazingly it can all be explained without discussion of effort, #want, bad coaching, etc. In fact, I wager if you took every possession and removed whether the shot went in, it'd be hard to tell which one was from which part of the game. - We start off dominating behind a very active and effective Josh Smith. I didn't think he could do it. He did.
- After that, we miss every single open shot we take. Open threes, yes, but also several layups by people not named Josh. It's clear to Xavier that both Trawick and DSR are off early. They collapse their zone on Smith (who also goes out with foul trouble). We get plenty of open shots. We miss basically all of them, even our All BE POY. Trawick tries to force it, but know he can't hit from outside, so he's easy pickings.
- On the other side of the ball, Stainbrook and their outside shooters make their shots. This isn't luck -- all credit to them, but they aren't better shots than what we were getting. But they sink them. The early effectiveness from three keeps us from helping down in Stianbrook, who is sinking tough shots left and right.
- This basically continues until after there are less than 10 minutes left.
- Suddenly, we start making shots. And just like that, things open up. Because it's a lot harder to defend when you have to defend past the circle.
- On the other side of the ball, they begin to help us, not only with the tech but with missing a bunch of FTs. Which only seems fair because some of those calls were really ticky tack.
- At the end of the game, if we had executed on the wide open DSR three or the alley oop, I think we end up winning. After missing a bunch of FTs, they finally start making all of them. We come up just short, even with a bad game from DSR.
Streaky shooting teams like us do this. Any team is easy to defend when you don't have to defend the perimeter. And we're hard to defend when we make shots. It's not rocket science and there's no need to dig into people's character. If there was a coaching mistake to my mind it was probably too much time with teams that had no chance of scoring, but I understand the thought -- when you can't make a shot try to generate turnovers. I just disagree. This team will go entirely on shooting. It doesn't get a ton of great shots, like some of our teams, but it gets enough to be a Sweet Sixteen team. We just miss too many open shots and we really don't make a lot of difficult shots (DSR excluded). When you make 'em, the whole offense opens up. When you don't, people stop defending whole parts of the court. I agree with most of this except our first half shooting wasn't just caused by missing open shots. We were taking bad shots, even though they were open. They were rushed, they were taken without making the defense move, and they were taken without having anyone even around to possibly rebound. I think this team is a good shooting team when they move the ball and take smart shots. The problem is, they really haven't figured it out offensively and it looks like they won't this year. The first half and the first half of the second half they just were doing a terrible job moving the defense and getting the right guys in the right places to score. The reason more shots were falling in the second half vs the first half was the type of shot guys were getting because the defense actually had to move to guard them. But other than that, I agree with you. The bad shots were from about the 18 min mark til 8 min mark of the second half. First half shots were fine. |
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 13, 2015 23:43:12 GMT -5
Biggest play of the game game was Bluiett hitting that three to put them up 9 and stave off the run a bit. I thought we could have collapsed after that but we fought back. The game really wasn't great, but that furious rally was impressive. I really, really hope that can carry over in some way to next week.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 13, 2015 23:43:38 GMT -5
Here's what just happened, and amazingly it can all be explained without discussion of effort, #want, bad coaching, etc. In fact, I wager if you took every possession and removed whether the shot went in, it'd be hard to tell which one was from which part of the game. - We start off dominating behind a very active and effective Josh Smith. I didn't think he could do it. He did.
- After that, we miss every single open shot we take. Open threes, yes, but also several layups by people not named Josh. It's clear to Xavier that both Trawick and DSR are off early. They collapse their zone on Smith (who also goes out with foul trouble). We get plenty of open shots. We miss basically all of them, even our All BE POY. Trawick tries to force it, but know he can't hit from outside, so he's easy pickings.
- On the other side of the ball, Stainbrook and their outside shooters make their shots. This isn't luck -- all credit to them, but they aren't better shots than what we were getting. But they sink them. The early effectiveness from three keeps us from helping down in Stianbrook, who is sinking tough shots left and right.
- This basically continues until after there are less than 10 minutes left.
- Suddenly, we start making shots. And just like that, things open up. Because it's a lot harder to defend when you have to defend past the circle.
- On the other side of the ball, they begin to help us, not only with the tech but with missing a bunch of FTs. Which only seems fair because some of those calls were really ticky tack.
- At the end of the game, if we had executed on the wide open DSR three or the alley oop, I think we end up winning. After missing a bunch of FTs, they finally start making all of them. We come up just short, even with a bad game from DSR.
Streaky shooting teams like us do this. Any team is easy to defend when you don't have to defend the perimeter. And we're hard to defend when we make shots. It's not rocket science and there's no need to dig into people's character. If there was a coaching mistake to my mind it was probably too much time with teams that had no chance of scoring, but I understand the thought -- when you can't make a shot try to generate turnovers. I just disagree. This team will go entirely on shooting. It doesn't get a ton of great shots, like some of our teams, but it gets enough to be a Sweet Sixteen team. We just miss too many open shots and we really don't make a lot of difficult shots (DSR excluded). When you make 'em, the whole offense opens up. When you don't, people stop defending whole parts of the court. I agree with most of this except our first half shooting wasn't just caused by missing open shots. We were taking bad shots, even though they were open. They were rushed, they were taken without making the defense move, and they were taken without having anyone even around to possibly rebound. I think this team is a good shooting team when they move the ball and take smart shots. The problem is, they really haven't figured it out offensively and it looks like they won't this year. The first half and the first half of the second half they just were doing a terrible job moving the defense and getting the right guys in the right places to score. The reason more shots were falling in the second half vs the first half was the type of shot guys were getting because the defense actually had to move to guard them. But other than that, I agree with you. I (obviously) disagree. We took a few bad shots, and you always will. But we missed easy lay-ups. We missed wide open threes. DSR missed shots he made last night all game. Ike missed two of the baseline shots that would spark the comeback. And we didn't really attack any different -- we executed better. Shots went in, and there were a few plays that the passes were snappier than before. Yes, we had the long Tre attempt and a couple of Hopkinses. We had Jabril forcing it a bit, but a) in the run those got called as fouls and b) those were partially doomed because we had already missed the open shots. There were dumb shots. But there weren't a lot of them. Just a lot of missed shots. I just hope next week we make em early and often. |
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 13, 2015 23:43:32 GMT -5
Maybe it was the tech, maybe it was the press that made them realize how bad the section had got but one thing was for sure you could tell the guys especially Ike just started shooting and not thinking about it.
I agree early we got good shots and missed and they hit some tough shots but during that run the guys were just playing basketball and not overthinking. As someone who played basketball that is the way you have to play. You can't think about your motion you just have to trust your stroke. If any of you are golfers it's the same idea. I think III sometimes has these guys thinking too much about running offense and making the optimal play instead of just playing basketball. I think the press accomplished the same thing on D. In most games we play we have the better talent on he floor but slowing the game down and reigning these guys in makes the talent difference not matter as much.
Simple math tells you if you are better the more possesions/chances you have to be better the better the chance you win.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 13, 2015 23:45:10 GMT -5
Four things happened: Xavier tightened up. Copeland and White finally dialed up the intensity to postseason level. We finally hit a few of the threes they were giving us. That made them extend farther out and left openings in the zone for Copeland. The key take-away here is that if Copeland and White are now ready to match the intensity of DSR, Trawick, and Hopkins, we could make a run in the tournament. If by intensity, you mean "executed better" I'm with you. I didn't see effort dive. I saw shots miss. Copeland wasn't just making shots, he was making plays. He was more aggressively looking for the ball and White was getting it to him. |
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Post by WVHoyasfan on Mar 13, 2015 23:45:30 GMT -5
I am gagged!! They got out played out hustled and out coached until the tech.Its sad that the players have to rely on themselves to fire themselves up b/c the coach doesn't know how to do it come tourney time.Its like watching the movie ground hog day every year at this time.You know its coming but just don't want to believe it. Does being fired up make you hit shots? Didn't realize this is NBA jam. We have a very even keeled coach, which leads to a very even keeled team. Did you even see Mack vs JTIII near the end? One was practically sh*ting himself, which one was that? It may not be what everyone wants and is looking for but that is his style. Well his style isn't working and is never going to work!!! He got out coached so bad it wasn't funny.He wasn't the reason the team started playing better.. It was the players the ones that got mad and buckled down and played some ball.The style that JT3 has doesn't get you anywhere and he has proved that every season.HE NEEDS TO GET MAD!!! Get in those kids faces and quit acting like the pope. |
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Post by beenaround on Mar 13, 2015 23:46:04 GMT -5
I did not feel the team played with great intensity for large portions of the game. Obviously, the kids are giving every ounce of effort. But, when you are getting whipped on the glass, allowing guys to drive past you, and looking afraid to take shots, I call that a lack of intensity. Late in the game, there was a palpable difference beyond just the ball going in. We pressed and trapped and caused some turnovers and suddenly we stopped the offensive rebounds. The players are not robots, and intensity and confidence ebb and flow, even though they obviously want to win badly the entire 40 minutes.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 13, 2015 23:47:51 GMT -5
The game turned when Ike hit a bunch of jumpers and they missed 5 FTs. The tech helped, but it wasn't like our guys weren't fighting and trying hard before. Well basically, it was more a case of you finally had a guy willing to take shots from areas of the floor he could hit them with regularity instead of guys who we really don't want taking shots hoisting up NBA 3's. When Cope goes into God mode, he is a scary, scary dude. But when we weren't scoring he had at least two attempts I can remember from that baseline spot in the zone ... and he missed. Which meant nothing else opened up. I mean, at some point, it's just execution. I suppose the technically could have somehow inspired Ike to focus more on his form or something or put more energy or whatever. It's entirely possible. Maybe even probable. But I think there's a line, too, that's very fine there. Slightly better D, a slight wrong flick of the wrist when shooting, etc., and I don't know the comeback happens. That's all. The thing I dislike is when people put it to character. The fans quit a lot. I've seen no quit in this team. You don't make shots sheerly through effort. It doesn't work that way. And I don't think Ike just didn't want those baskets enough in the first half. Maybe he just didn't square up quite enough or the defender was an inch closer... |
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Post by This Just In on Mar 13, 2015 23:47:46 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:
1. The Hoyas were outscored by Xavier's bench 21-8
2. All Hoya starters scored except for LJ Peak, it may be time to consider bringing him off the bench next for the NCAA Tourney.
3. Trawick and Copeland lead the way tonight with 19pts and 15pts respectively with honorable mention to DSR 11pt and Josh Smith 10pts.
4. After being down only 9pts, Xavier's lead ballooned to 21pts, the team could have folded but instead showed a lot heart by coming back after being down by 21pts
Final Grade: B (The team loss, but they showed true grit by coming back and having the game's outcome in doubt up till the final buzzer)
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2015 23:49:00 GMT -5
Does being fired up make you hit shots? Didn't realize this is NBA jam. We have a very even keeled coach, which leads to a very even keeled team. Did you even see Mack vs JTIII near the end? One was practically sh*ting himself, which one was that? It may not be what everyone wants and is looking for but that is his style. Well his style isn't working and is never going to work!!! He got out coached so bad it wasn't funny.He wasn't the reason the team started playing better.. It was the players the ones that got mad and buckled down and played some ball.The style that JT3 has doesn't get you anywhere and he has proved that every season.HE NEEDS TO GET MAD!!! Get in those kids faces and quit acting like the pope. So when the shots aren't falling it's JT3's fault, but when the same shots go in, it's because of the players? I didn't realize JT3 is the one shooting out there. |
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Post by sleepy on Mar 13, 2015 23:49:37 GMT -5
I agree with most of this except our first half shooting wasn't just caused by missing open shots. We were taking bad shots, even though they were open. They were rushed, they were taken without making the defense move, and they were taken without having anyone even around to possibly rebound. I think this team is a good shooting team when they move the ball and take smart shots. The problem is, they really haven't figured it out offensively and it looks like they won't this year. The first half and the first half of the second half they just were doing a terrible job moving the defense and getting the right guys in the right places to score. The reason more shots were falling in the second half vs the first half was the type of shot guys were getting because the defense actually had to move to guard them. But other than that, I agree with you. The bad shots were from about the 18 min mark til 8 min mark of the second half. First half shots were fine. I must disagree. After we went up 19-11 we just started chucking 3's incredibly early in the shot clock. If the shot you are taking with 30 seconds left in the clock with no one under the basket to rebound is going to be available with 3 seconds left, it's a bad shot. They were open, but they really weren't shots the guys that were taking them could make. Jabril needs to step into his 3 or already have his feet set. None of his shots in the first allowed him to do either. Campbell doesn't need to be shooting from 4 feet behind the line. DSR was taking shots he can't make too. It was just a messed of rush chaos with no ball movement. The only shot they missed that was a good shot that I can remember was Copeland on the baseline near the end of the first half. Open does not equal good. I was just really disappointed in the shot selection. |
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 13, 2015 23:50:03 GMT -5
I did not feel the team played with great intensity for large portions of the game. Obviously, the kids are giving every ounce of effort. But, when you are getting whipped on the glass, allowing guys to drive past you, and looking afraid to take shots, I call that a lack of intensity. Late in the game, there was a palpable difference beyond just the ball going in. We pressed and trapped and caused some turnovers and suddenly we stopped the offensive rebounds. The players are not robots, and intensity and confidence ebb and flow, even though they obviously want to win badly the entire 40 minutes. Having been there I will say this - the intensity was more sustained against creighton. We never flagged against them even when the chips were down. Didn't see the same intensity for certain stretches against Xavier, although we really turned it up in those last 7-8 mins. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 13, 2015 23:50:26 GMT -5
Does being fired up make you hit shots? Didn't realize this is NBA jam. We have a very even keeled coach, which leads to a very even keeled team. Did you even see Mack vs JTIII near the end? One was practically sh*ting himself, which one was that? It may not be what everyone wants and is looking for but that is his style. Well his style isn't working and is never going to work!!! He got out coached so bad it wasn't funny.He wasn't the reason the team started playing better.. It was the players the ones that got mad and buckled down and played some ball.The style that JT3 has doesn't get you anywhere and he has proved that every season.HE NEEDS TO GET MAD!!! Get in those kids faces and quit acting like the pope. Are you hurting yourself with all this stretching? |
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 13, 2015 23:51:55 GMT -5
Four things happened: Xavier tightened up. Copeland and White finally dialed up the intensity to postseason level. We finally hit a few of the threes they were giving us. That made them extend farther out and left openings in the zone for Copeland. The key take-away here is that if Copeland and White are now ready to match the intensity of DSR, Trawick, and Hopkins, we could make a run in the tournament. If by intensity, you mean "executed better" I'm with you. I didn't see effort dive. I saw shots miss. they definitely executed better, but I also saw flashes of confidence and determination from them I don't always, and that could be the biggest positive takeaway if it carries over. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 13, 2015 23:52:08 GMT -5
Well basically, it was more a case of you finally had a guy willing to take shots from areas of the floor he could hit them with regularity instead of guys who we really don't want taking shots hoisting up NBA 3's. When Cope goes into God mode, he is a scary, scary dude. But when we weren't scoring he had at least two attempts I can remember from that baseline spot in the zone ... and he missed. Which meant nothing else opened up. I mean, at some point, it's just execution. I suppose the technically could have somehow inspired Ike to focus more on his form or something or put more energy or whatever. It's entirely possible. Maybe even probable. But I think there's a line, too, that's very fine there. Slightly better D, a slight wrong flick of the wrist when shooting, etc., and I don't know the comeback happens. That's all. The thing I dislike is when people put it to character. The fans quit a lot. I've seen no quit in this team. You don't make shots sheerly through effort. It doesn't work that way. And I don't think Ike just didn't want those baskets enough in the first half. Maybe he just didn't square up quite enough or the defender was an inch closer... I don't think the team ever quit or had a lack of effort (if you can find somewhere where I said that tonight, I will stand corrected). But they were clearly getting frustrated and the collective body language up until the T was poor. There was no emotion coming from anyone until Jabril got up off the ground and said enough is enough. |
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 13, 2015 23:52:24 GMT -5
Does being fired up make you hit shots? Didn't realize this is NBA jam. We have a very even keeled coach, which leads to a very even keeled team. Did you even see Mack vs JTIII near the end? One was practically sh*ting himself, which one was that? It may not be what everyone wants and is looking for but that is his style. Well his style isn't working and is never going to work!!! He got out coached so bad it wasn't funny.He wasn't the reason the team started playing better.. It was the players the ones that got mad and buckled down and played some ball.The style that JT3 has doesn't get you anywhere and he has proved that every season.HE NEEDS TO GET MAD!!! Get in those kids faces and quit acting like the pope. You realize it doesn't work that way right? Otherwise Bob Huggins, Frank Martin, and Bob Knight would be the winningest coaches in college basketball. Last I checked Knight was out of a job, Martin is struggling to get a down program going, and WVU and Huggybear are the same they've always been. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 23:55:03 GMT -5
At least my marriage will stay intact. If my wife woke up tomorrow to the news that I had booked an Amtrak ticket to New York while she was sleeping, I might have had to just stay in New York and start a new life there...
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