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Post by TC on Feb 13, 2015 14:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 13, 2015 14:37:04 GMT -5
From the article:
In 1978, none other than Pearl Bailey — the actress and singer who had enrolled at Georgetown in her 60s — sat behind the basket during one game, waving her arms to distract Holy Cross shooters.
I believe that this game was the game at which Pearl Bailey sang the National Anthem at McDonough, and accidentally turned off the microphone into which she was singing; McDonough fell completely silent so that all of us could hear her. Yes, she stayed for the entire game. That was back when beating Holy Cross was a very big deal on the Hilltop.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 13, 2015 15:44:30 GMT -5
Only losers go to ASU, especially the graduate CompSci program.
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 13, 2015 20:07:46 GMT -5
It's creative and if it works all the better.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 13, 2015 20:30:06 GMT -5
The Curtain of Distraction sounds like something that CONTROL would have come up with to accompany the Cone of Silence.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 14, 2015 10:27:20 GMT -5
Bad sportsmanship.
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Post by Filo on Feb 14, 2015 10:52:56 GMT -5
Easy Ed = Alexandria Arroyo ?
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 14, 2015 11:29:48 GMT -5
Georgetown, meanwhile, going with the opposite approach: just covering entire sections with actual curtains. No distraction there. Perhaps EasyEd, sportsman of the year, is behind it.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 14, 2015 19:29:58 GMT -5
Georgetown, meanwhile, going with the opposite approach: just covering entire sections with actual curtains. No distraction there. Perhaps EasyEd, sportsman of the year, is behind it. Strummer, do you think it's poor sportsmanship or not?
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 14, 2015 20:11:39 GMT -5
In all seriousness, please explain why it is bad sportsmanship.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 14, 2015 20:30:02 GMT -5
In all seriousness, please explain why it is bad sportsmanship. The first and third most popular NYT comments on the story share the sentiment. I have to imagine most fans of team sports who are under 70 years old disagree.
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Post by TC on Feb 14, 2015 22:42:31 GMT -5
I don't understand at all how it's poor sportsmanship. This is in essence home court advantage.
Poor sportsmanship is what the Cameron Crazies do - personal attacks on players, taunting dead grandmothers, etc - this is just plain fun.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 14, 2015 23:37:21 GMT -5
I get what Ed is saying but it's been par for the course for years. Poor sportsmanship is Greg Monroe getting called for a T on the bench in Cameron because it's Cameron and Duke. Personally, I think it's a fun way for the students to feel involved because it's so commonplace that, if a shooter is rattled, it's probably good for him in the long run. It probably helps him hit pressure FTs down the road. As long as it's not a personal attack of some sort, it's fair game. Not to mention, NBA arenas play music during possessions all of the time. Why? Because the fans like it. Is it stupid? A bit. But it engages fans.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 15, 2015 1:01:18 GMT -5
Georgetown, meanwhile, going with the opposite approach: just covering entire sections with actual curtains. No distraction there. Perhaps EasyEd, sportsman of the year, is behind it. Strummer, do you think it's poor sportsmanship or not? In thinking about how I'd answer, it occurred to me that I'm not sure "sportsmanship" applies to fans at all. When I think of one "exhibiting good/bad sportsmanship," I always think of people actually involved in competition—here, the athletes and the coaches. So I'm not sure I accept the premise that fans are held to the standards of "sportsmanship." (They should be held to standards decency before, during, and after games, but I see a difference between that and the ethical code of participants to the game itself.) Turning to whether I think the Curtain is unfair, obnoxious, or otherwise inappropriate—which is how I would characterize the behavior you probably consider poor sportsmanship from fans—I would say no, it's not objectively unfair, obnoxious, or inappropriate. If we were playing against them on the road, sure, I would sing a different tune. I'd likely make snide, sarcastic remarks about the people involved, and I would wish that it got them a technical. But is it the same as an athlete bending the rules, taking a cheap shot at another player, or gloating in a post-game interview? Absolutely not.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 15, 2015 13:44:56 GMT -5
In my opinion, games should be decided by whichever team wins where each is provided an equal opportunity to win. Anything done by one side that upsets that inequality, to me, is poor sportsmanship - even if it's fun for the students. I can understand that the younger generation may not agree since the bounds of right and wrong have, so to speak, stretched.
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Post by ksf42001 on Feb 15, 2015 14:20:19 GMT -5
In my opinion, games should be decided by whichever team wins where each is provided an equal opportunity to win. Anything done by one side that upsets that inequality, to me, is poor sportsmanship - even if it's fun for the students. I can understand that the younger generation may not agree since the bounds of right and wrong have, so to speak, stretched. Where's the line then? By your definition, the home team crowd yelling at a football game so that the away team has difficulty hearing their QB would be poor sportsmanship.
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2015 16:01:23 GMT -5
In my opinion, games should be decided by whichever team wins where each is provided an equal opportunity to win. Anything done by one side that upsets that inequality, to me, is poor sportsmanship - even if it's fun for the students. I can understand that the younger generation may not agree since the bounds of right and wrong have, so to speak, stretched. Students waving their arms under the baskets to distract shooters is generally accepted practice at every college and probably has been since Ed was hanging peach baskets on poles with Dr. James Naismith. So I'm not sure your point flies whatsoever - it's generally accepted practice to try and distract the free throw shooters and this is just : - more effective (see statistics) - original - more creative - not relying on personal insults (a.k.a Cameron Crazies) - not really using any outside element (piped in noise, constructed sound, waving outside objects) - the curtain relies on surprise and humor
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 15, 2015 18:58:22 GMT -5
Anything done by one side that upsets that inequality, to me, is poor sportsmanship While it is short and clean I think this position falls apart on itself. Where does it stop? Is music played during breaks ok? Clapping? Sleeping in your own bed because you are in your hometown?
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 15, 2015 19:14:41 GMT -5
In my opinion, games should be decided by whichever team wins where each is provided an equal opportunity to win. Anything done by one side that upsets that inequality, to me, is poor sportsmanship - even if it's fun for the students. I can understand that the younger generation may not agree since the bounds of right and wrong have, so to speak, stretched. Students waving their arms under the baskets to distract shooters is generally accepted practice at every college and probably has been since Ed was hanging peach baskets on poles with Dr. James Naismith. So I'm not sure your point flies whatsoever - it's generally accepted practice to try and distract the free throw shooters and this is just : - more effective (see statistics) - original - more creative - not relying on personal insults (a.k.a Cameron Crazies) - not really using any outside element (piped in noise, constructed sound, waving outside objects) - the curtain relies on surprise and humor Your post might have been more effective if you had skipped the comment on my age.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 15, 2015 19:54:46 GMT -5
Strummer, do you think it's poor sportsmanship or not? In thinking about how I'd answer, it occurred to me that I'm not sure "sportsmanship" applies to fans at all. When I think of one "exhibiting good/bad sportsmanship," I always think of people actually involved in competition—here, the athletes and the coaches. So I'm not sure I accept the premise that fans are held to the standards of "sportsmanship." (They should be held to standards decency before, during, and after games, but I see a difference between that and the ethical code of participants to the game itself.) Turning to whether I think the Curtain is unfair, obnoxious, or otherwise inappropriate—which is how I would characterize the behavior you probably consider poor sportsmanship from fans—I would say no, it's not objectively unfair, obnoxious, or inappropriate. If we were playing against them on the road, sure, I would sing a different tune. I'd likely make snide, sarcastic remarks about the people involved, and I would wish that it got them a technical. But is it the same as an athlete bending the rules, taking a cheap shot at another player, or gloating in a post-game interview? Absolutely not. Interesting points. I would agree with your characterization of "sportsmanship" as being exclusive to the actual participants. Ed, I understand what you're saying about equality but that's not realistic as all teams have home fans that go to games to cheer for "their" team. I'm curious as to where the line is for you and what you'd like to see made different.
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