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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 14:04:21 GMT -5
M. Hopkins 4 Pts, 6 Reb, 3 Ast, 2 Stl, 2 Blk Not bad production....we didn't show the number times he was blocked or his turnovers. My count was blocked twice with 2 turnovers. It also doesn’t show the balls he kept alive or the altered shots as well. He’s been pretty dominant on the defensive side of the ball for the last 2 games. I’m probably the worst person to discuss this with though because I don’t really care about his offensive stats that’s not where I expect his impact to come from. IMO he was the best player on the floor in the 1st half, and he is our best interior defender and rebounder by far
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 13, 2014 14:08:11 GMT -5
Not bad production....we didn't show the number times he was blocked or his turnovers. My count was blocked twice with 2 turnovers. Been pretty dominant on the defensive side of the ball for the last 2 games. It also doesn’t show the balls he kept alive or the altered shots as well. I’m probably the worst person to discuss this with though because I don’t really care about his offensive stats that’s not where I expect his impact to come from. IMO he was the best player on the floor in the 1st half, and he is our best interior defender and rebounder by far Hop did have a very good game. My point is that we should consider his 'net' stats and not his 'gross' stats
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Post by hoyacane11 on Dec 13, 2014 14:08:49 GMT -5
I guess it's a matter of preference. With the talent and depth we have, I don't think we should be worrying about ball control. Yes they will have more possessions, but we will be creating easy baskets, and getting teams out of their comfort zone. I'm not advocating doing this for half the game or anything like that, but we need to sprinkle pressure in from time to time. The turnovers we have are mostly from Hop and Smith in the half court set. We're not turning it over when we run. Also we wouldn't do anything artificially. We have had plenty of needless turnovers from our smalls and mids this year, and some of them when trying to run. I don't disagree that we should run when we can. I just think there are other things we are working on. Understood, but like I said, I'm speaking more about turning up the pressure on defense to create more easy scoring opportunities, and make the opposing team uncomfortable. I don't mean we should just be running willy nilly. Our running would come from creating turnovers. Most of the time when our smalls and mids turned the ball over, it was because of pressure from the other team. That's what we need to do as well. Even token full or quarter court pressure will create turnovers, it doesn't have to be an all out press. Trapping in the half court set can help as well. I just get tired of seeing us allow every single team to just walk the ball up the court, and run what they want without even attempting to make them uncomfortable. jmo
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 13, 2014 14:08:51 GMT -5
Our bench scored a ton of points. This is a real difference from many of our previous teams. Also, we dominated on the boards.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Dec 13, 2014 14:10:32 GMT -5
I know, but he needs to evolve some. How has he looked in the tourney lately?? He has evolved a ton, just not toward the press. How many NBA teams press? Im sure there are statistical reasons why pressing could be non-advantageous. Who cares what the NBA does bruh? This is college, and there are quite a few differences in the two games. "Evolved a ton"? You can't be serious.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 13, 2014 14:12:33 GMT -5
We have had plenty of needless turnovers from our smalls and mids this year, and some of them when trying to run. I don't disagree that we should run when we can. I just think there are other things we are working on. Understood, but like I said, I'm speaking more about turning up the pressure on defense to create more easy scoring opportunities, and make the opposing team uncomfortable. I don't mean we should just be running willy nilly. Our running would come from creating turnovers. Most of the time when our smalls and mids turned the ball over, it was because of pressure from the other team. That's what we need to do as well. Even token full or quarter court pressure will create turnovers, it doesn't have to be an all out press. Trapping in the half court set can help as well. I just get tired of seeing us allow every single team to just walk the ball up the court, and run what they want without even attempting to make them uncomfortable. jmo
I heard that. Would be nice to see more pressure. Maybe he's saving it for conference.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 13, 2014 14:13:35 GMT -5
Good news!!!!!! Mutomobo has a 12 and 13 year sons who are 6'3 and 6'4. SIgn them up. Consider it done!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 14:15:40 GMT -5
Been pretty dominant on the defensive side of the ball for the last 2 games. It also doesn’t show the balls he kept alive or the altered shots as well. I’m probably the worst person to discuss this with though because I don’t really care about his offensive stats that’s not where I expect his impact to come from. IMO he was the best player on the floor in the 1st half, and he is our best interior defender and rebounder by far Hop did have a very good game. My point is that we should consider his 'net' stats and not his 'gross' stats I think you have to look at how the pieces fit together, that’s the most important thing. He fills a need
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 13, 2014 14:16:13 GMT -5
Happy overall with the win, but getting a little concerned about DSR's outside shot not falling. As I noted earlier, he is being consistently short on the front rim, and that can only be attributable to not getting the legs into the shot. Yes, we can still beat a team like Radford without DSR scoring, but the conference schedule is not far off, and the Hoyas need DSR to be DSR.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 14:23:13 GMT -5
Dsr 4-24 in his last 2 games.. Ouch
Doing everything else well thought still rebounding and assisting at a high rate...
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 13, 2014 14:24:51 GMT -5
Hop did have a very good game. My point is that we should consider his 'net' stats and not his 'gross' stats I think you have to look at how the pieces fit together, that’s the most important thing. He fills a need He does.....a big need. I want the kid to succeed too. Unfortunately, on the offensive end some of the times he is blocked and turns it over are borderline comedic....for what otherwise is a very good player.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 14:28:16 GMT -5
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 13, 2014 14:51:38 GMT -5
Team played better than I expected coming off a big game. I enjoyed watching Bowen and Campbell pick the team up in the first half after Smith got foul #2. However, this game was a standout for Hopkins as much as Bowen. Hop's defense and rebounding cannot be overlooked. It is a big asset to the team. Still amazes me he can be blocked by the rim so often, but keep up the defense. Concerned about DSR. He is so uncomfortable on offense. I hope he can settle it down, get some help with the ball and start getting those shots up higher. JT3 needs to give him a day off, the shots look tired, flat and short right now.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 13, 2014 14:57:13 GMT -5
Eleven Hoyas played ten minutes or more in today's game; even Hayes broke into double digits. DSR was leader with 28 minutes played, and only five players played as much as 20 minutes. Only two players in double digits point-wise, but the bench scored 44 of the 79 points. Only five second-half turnovers. Again, very solid defensive effort from the boys. Hard to really gauge the offense off this one, because of the liberal substitution patterns employed today by JT3.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 13, 2014 14:57:16 GMT -5
So hopefully, the long term pipeline looks promising.
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Post by aristides on Dec 13, 2014 14:58:45 GMT -5
Best game I've seen Hop play. Box score doesn't come close to showing his impact on the floor. Loved Bowen's performance too. I just can't get too worried about DSR. He is too good a player to go in a slump for long.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 13, 2014 15:28:45 GMT -5
Sparse crowd at the Booth today, but luckily the Hoyas made it a stress-free game for virtually the entire afternoon. Team gave us everything I think we could have asked for: an early lead to get Cameron/Tre/Hayes some time to develop and gain some confidence (which each of them did), a chance for Bowen to show that his 3 minutes vs. KU was a mistake and that he can be a force on both ends of the floor as a high-energy guy coming off the bench, a bit of 3pt shooting confidence restored for Jabril, White/Copeland remaining active and aggressive, and a dominating defensive performance from Hop.
I struggle to recall the last time we had 5 different guys dunk in the same game against any competition. We are an above-the-rim team now! Loved the way guys were attacking the rim today.
DSR obviously was the glaring negative today in an otherwise great performance. The vastly improved depth and additional scoring options has bought him some time to shake off the slump without giving us too much worry against the cupcakes, but he looks like he could really use an energy boost. The legs just aren't there right now, and I don't know what the issue is.
Also, without the benefit of the doubt of replay, if Cameron really did get contacted in the face without a flagrant, then I am officially done with that rule. If it's the letter of law, it isn't being followed. If it's official's discretion, we are getting the short end every time. Either get rid of the rule altogether (unless you can prove intent to injure without a doubt) or call it every time.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 13, 2014 15:33:16 GMT -5
Coach is working on a lot of different combinations today. I think that is his focus more than tempo. Also remember that we desperately need to cut down on turnovers. Trying to artificially spped up your game does not usually help you work on valuing the ball. I guess it's a matter of preference. With the talent and depth we have, I don't think we should be worrying about ball control. Yes they will have more possessions, but we will be creating easy baskets, and getting teams out of their comfort zone. I'm not advocating doing this for half the game or anything like that, but we need to sprinkle pressure in from time to time. The turnovers we have are mostly from Hop and Smith in the half court set. We're not turning it over when we run. Also we wouldn't do anything artificially. I just think we could be sooo much better ad more explosive if we force tempo a little bit. We have the horses to do it. Keep in mind that this was the first game we even ran zone for any period of time. I don't know if we'll see any press this year. It definitely hasn't been JTIII's favorite tool. But I do feel safe in saying that he's going to get our man to man and zone in proper place first.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 13, 2014 15:35:33 GMT -5
He has evolved a ton, just not toward the press. How many NBA teams press? Im sure there are statistical reasons why pressing could be non-advantageous. Who cares what the NBA does bruh? This is college, and there are quite a few differences in the two games. "Evolved a ton"? You can't be serious. The reason why the NBA relevant is that reason why few college teams press successfully anymore. Teams are good at breaking it -- and if you don't have the top talent in that situation, you tend to lose the matchup. There's little point in being able to press Radford. You have to be able to press good teams. That's a lot harder.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 13, 2014 15:41:35 GMT -5
Also, without the benefit of the doubt of replay, if Cameron really did get contacted in the face without a flagrant, then I am officially done with that rule. If it's the letter of law, it isn't being followed. If it's official's discretion, we are getting the short end every time. Either get rid of the rule altogether (unless you can prove intent to injure without a doubt) or call it every time. +1.
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