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Post by rockhoya on Nov 30, 2014 9:18:35 GMT -5
Paul will make believers pretty soon this won't even be a discussion in 1-2 years. All I know is ill take what a freshman Paul White gives to this team over what a freshman KA would've given us. Better defender and better offensive threat.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 30, 2014 9:44:20 GMT -5
Comparing aspects of a young player's game to those of well-known veterans is a time honored tradition. It does not imply the person making the comparison is also suggesting the young player is as good as, or better than, the vet.
Regardless of which players are brought to mind by our youngsters, Paul White and his buddies Ike, LJ and Tre are a super exciting group of freshmen who will ensure we have successful Hoya teams for as long as they are on the hilltop. Six games into his college career, we can already see that Paul White has a high hoops IQ, poise, determination, a good handle and shot, and passing skills. The longer he remains a Hoya, the better his game will become, and he will be an outstanding college player who likely will have a bright future at the next level too. And if Trey Mourning develops the way we hope he will, even better!
Personally, I will be happy to simply enjoy White's contributions to a lot of Hoya Ws over the next few seasons. HOYA SAXA!!
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 30, 2014 10:37:01 GMT -5
White is much, much more Otto than he is Kyle Anderson. Agreed. Anderson was a big time playmaker, White on the other hand can handle the ball, is a good facilitator who can do a bit of everything with an elite mid-range game (description even sounds like Otto).
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 30, 2014 10:45:53 GMT -5
Comparing aspects of a young player's game to those of well-known veterans is a time honored tradition. It does not imply the person making the comparison is also suggesting the young player is as good as, or better than, the vet. Regardless of which players are brought to mind by our youngsters, Paul White and his buddies Ike, LJ and Tre are a super exciting group of freshmen who will ensure we have successful Hoya teams for as long as they are on the hilltop. Six games into his college career, we can already see that Paul White has a high hoops IQ, poise, determination, a good handle and shot, and passing skills. The longer he remains a Hoya, the better his game will become, and he will be an outstanding college player who likely will have a bright future at the next level too. And if Trey Mourning develops the way we hope he will, even better! Personally, I will be happy to simply enjoy White's contributions to a lot of Hoya Ws over the next few seasons. HOYA SAXA!!A voice of reason! Thanks sirsaxa. During the Butler game, there was a point where Bilas took turns gushing over White and Copeland as those two took over for the struggling Hoyas and started making big play after big play. It reminded me of when we last played ucla (where we held KA scoreless) and whit and porter took over. At one point Vitale exclaims, "Whittington-Porter, Whittington-Porter, Whittington-Porter....get used to it folks!!". Don't think we are too far off from hearing that with Ike and White.
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Post by krukster201 on Nov 30, 2014 11:03:29 GMT -5
Kyle has always been a PG .. In 8th - 9th grade when the Hoyas began recruiting Kyle he was a PG. His growth spurt was rapid and by the time his original school (Paterson Cath. , NJ) closed and he decided to go to St. Anthony's and reached 6'8. Since he was younger and much shorter , he has always been a PG. Slo-Mo adapted to his growth , but has always maintain a wicked handle. White is a good handler , no question ... But not like Kyle and that's ok. When it's all said and done , I feel Paul will be a better all around player.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Nov 30, 2014 11:39:11 GMT -5
some ppl drank here too much hoya blue... comparing white to KA already... really? :0 when white becomes the best player in the BE and becomes a first round pick in the NBA, then come back again to sell your hoya blue plz. discussion closed about KA vs. white White is a fine player - very skilled and has high bballIQ. but let's not go too far just yet after seein 6 games of him. The discussion is, and was, about their handle. Try reading the posts before responding to them. shoulda read my post right above yours
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Post by tashoya on Nov 30, 2014 11:59:55 GMT -5
It's so nice to see a Editeding contest about how good a player is and not how bad one is for a change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 12:09:50 GMT -5
People compared White to Otto and he went 3rd in the Draft.. Ike to Green and he went Lotto as well. I don’t understand why you think it is so Blasphemous for some posters to compare White to KA if they see similarities in his game when those other comparisons were made while those guys were still in HS. b/c we have only seen 6 games of White. i mean people were saying Peak was the next coming of Dwayne Wade after 4 games and now they don't even mention him because he had poor showings last 2 games. if white continues to improve throughout the season and somehow carries us beyond first weeknd of the NCAA tournament, mayb we can start comparing him to green, KA. but it's too early. as of only speaking of ball handling skills, KA is vastly superior to white ; KA was UCLA's PG and he will play that position in the pros as well. Whereas White has not even been given such assignment by JT3. And I doubt he will in our system. He will only play the 3 and 4 positions while he is with us. Sorry Cosmo but none of that matters. Young players get compared to older player ALL THE TIME…. People were calling Malik Newman the next Iverson when he was a Freshman in HS. Ray Smith the next Paul George in High School. There’s 0 harm done. It seems like you just love to be negative, can’t recall the last time you posted anything good about Hoya Basketball.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 30, 2014 12:10:07 GMT -5
Comparing aspects of a young player's game to those of well-known veterans is a time honored tradition. It does not imply the person making the comparison is also suggesting the young player is as good as, or better than, the vet. Regardless of which players are brought to mind by our youngsters, Paul White and his buddies Ike, LJ and Tre are a super exciting group of freshmen who will ensure we have successful Hoya teams for as long as they are on the hilltop. Six games into his college career, we can already see that Paul White has a high hoops IQ, poise, determination, a good handle and shot, and passing skills. The longer he remains a Hoya, the better his game will become, and he will be an outstanding college player who likely will have a bright future at the next level too. And if Trey Mourning develops the way we hope he will, even better! Personally, I will be happy to simply enjoy White's contributions to a lot of Hoya Ws over the next few seasons. HOYA SAXA!!A voice of reason! Thanks sirsaxa. During the Butler game, there was a point where Bilas took turns gushing over White and Copeland as those two took over for the struggling Hoyas and started making big play after big play. It reminded me of when we last played ucla (where we held KA scoreless) and whit and porter took over. At one point Vitale exclaims, "Whittington-Porter, Whittington-Porter, Whittington-Porter....get used to it folks!!". Don't think we are too far off from hearing that with Ike and White. THANKS, it's amazing how often a thread on a Hoya player gets high jacked to discuss a non- Hoya. Bilas mentioned that White was a teammate of Okafor and that they played on championship team, but did not mention that Peak at one point also played on that team. I wonder how many of these BB gurus actually watch some of these HS players or do they just rely on the reports from bloggers on ESPN and other sites. Anyone who watched more than one game Okafor played in had to notice White. I did not see but three complete games on ESPN, and mind your was looking especially for White during the games, but you could not help but see that he was a significant component to that team. Okafor was great but he was not the glue of that team, it was White. When I first saw video of Copeland I too started to salivate about his impact on the HOYAS. We saw glimpses of the potential impact this kid will have on the HOYAS. All this kid needs is about 20 more lbs of muscle and he will be a dominant player. I still believe Peak will be better at the 2 guard position than small forward. We have not mentioned Mourning on most of these discussions but Ronnie Thompson said that he had the work ethic of his dad and was working hard at his game so watch out next year. I know many are apprehensive about next year but if Govan is as advertised and Derrickson can spell him at center when HOYAS go small the potential for the Hoyas is off the chart.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 30, 2014 12:23:07 GMT -5
The discussion is, and was, about their handle. Try reading the posts before responding to them. shoulda read my post right above yours That was after the post where you contributed to the derailing of the discussion though, which also happens to be the post where you responded to and criticized posters for something they weren't doing (saying that Paul White was equal to or better than KA, overall).
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 30, 2014 12:59:02 GMT -5
People compared White to Otto and he went 3rd in the Draft.. Ike to Green and he went Lotto as well. I don’t understand why you think it is so Blasphemous for some posters to compare White to KA if they see similarities in his game when those other comparisons were made while those guys were still in HS. b/c we have only seen 6 games of White. i mean people were saying Peak was the next coming of Dwayne Wade after 4 games and now they don't even mention him because he had poor showings last 2 games. if white continues to improve throughout the season and somehow carries us beyond first weeknd of the NCAA tournament, mayb we can start comparing him to green, KA. but it's too early. as of only speaking of ball handling skills, KA is vastly superior to white ; KA was UCLA's PG and he will play that position in the pros as well. Whereas White has not even been given such assignment by JT3. And I doubt he will in our system. He will only play the 3 and 4 positions while he is with us. Yes, but Kyle Anderson wasn't so hot his freshman year. He shot a putrid 41%, 21% from 3, 3.5 assists, 2 turnovers. The only place where he was elite was 8.6 rebounds. His sophomore season he lit it up. So comparing a 2 year sophomore Kyle Anderson to a barely freshman 6 game Paul White is not fair. The better comparison might be freshman Kyle Anderson vs freshman Paul White. I believe he may play alot of 1 next year based on us missing out on elite guards for next years recruiting class and if DSR leaves. It's a way to get him in the lineup without sacrificing minutes for Govan, Derrickson/Trey Mourning, Copeland/Cameron, Peak. Gives us alot of size and length too which is always favorable in college. His lack of speed for a point guard defensively can be masked in a zone like with Whittington up top.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 30, 2014 12:59:05 GMT -5
Kyle has always been a PG .. In 8th - 9th grade when the Hoyas began recruiting Kyle he was a PG. His growth spurt was rapid and by the time his original school (Paterson Cath. , NJ) closed and he decided to go to St. Anthony's and reached 6'8. Since he was younger and much shorter , he has always been a PG. Slo-Mo adapted to his growth , but has always maintain a wicked handle. White is a good handler , no question ... But not like Kyle and that's ok. When it's all said and done , I feel Paul will be a better all around player. That I agree with. Kyle was a first round pick. Paul has a chance to be a lottery pick
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 30, 2014 13:02:24 GMT -5
b/c we have only seen 6 games of White. i mean people were saying Peak was the next coming of Dwayne Wade after 4 games and now they don't even mention him because he had poor showings last 2 games. if white continues to improve throughout the season and somehow carries us beyond first weeknd of the NCAA tournament, mayb we can start comparing him to green, KA. but it's too early. as of only speaking of ball handling skills, KA is vastly superior to white ; KA was UCLA's PG and he will play that position in the pros as well. Whereas White has not even been given such assignment by JT3. And I doubt he will in our system. He will only play the 3 and 4 positions while he is with us. Yes, but Kyle Anderson wasn't so hot his freshman year. He shot a putrid 41%, 21% from 3, 3.5 assists, 2 turnovers. The only place where he was elite was 8.6 rebounds. His sophomore season he lit it up. So comparing a 2 year sophomore Kyle Anderson to a barely freshman 6 game Paul White is not fair. The better comparison might be freshman Kyle Anderson vs freshman Paul White. I believe he may play alot of 1 next year based on us missing out on elite guards for next years recruiting class and if DSR leaves. It's a way to get him in the lineup without sacrificing minutes for Govan, Derrickson/Trey Mourning, Copeland/Cameron, Peak. Gives us alot of size and length too which is always favorable in college. His lack of speed for a point guard defensively can be masked in a zone like with Whittington up top. Kyle wasn't great his freshman season because Shabazz Muhammad wouldn't let go of the basketball and Larry Drew ran the point. So Kyle was kind of a man without a country that year Those two moved on when he was a sophomore and Kyle turned in an All-American season playing the point full-time
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Post by sleepy on Nov 30, 2014 13:26:20 GMT -5
White is much, much more Otto than he is Kyle Anderson. I'm not really sure that's true. Besides the midrange shot, I'm not sure their games are all that similar. Otto was really athletic, and excellent rebounder and a great shooter and defender. White isn't all that athletic, is a bad rebounder so far, a great passer with a good handle. Otto, on the other hand, had a sketchy handle and was a pretty weak passer. In a way they are like mirror images of each other. Both really good but their strengths are the other ones weaknesses. The only real similarities are their smarts and midrange.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 30, 2014 13:41:47 GMT -5
White is much, much more Otto than he is Kyle Anderson. I'm not really sure that's true. Besides the midrange shot, I'm not sure their games are all that similar. Otto was really athletic, and excellent rebounder and a great shooter and defender. White isn't all that athletic, is a bad rebounder so far, a great passer with a good handle. Otto, on the other hand, had a sketchy handle and was a pretty weak passer. In a way they are like mirror images of each other. Both really good but their strengths are the other ones weaknesses. The only real similarities are their smarts and midrange. Yes, Otto was a rebounding machine. 28 rebounds in the state championship game. He has a nose for the ball and a natural knack for rebounding. He's always in the right position to snag the boards and even at the pro level he continues to rebound well for the minutes he's given. Paul White is a very poor rebounder at the 3 and 4. He doesn't have that instinct for it, and he also doesn't get off the floor as quickly as Otto. Otto has a very fast first and second jump. It just doesn't seem like Paul White jumps much at all. Otto also has a long 7-1 wing span. Not sure what Paul White's wing span is. The one area that Paul White will improve rebounding wise is on boxing out. Othella will quickly teach him that. They are different types of shooters too. White has more arc and a feathery touch, the form of more of a pure shooter. It doesn't seem like he jumps much or has a quick release when guarded but I haven't seen enough of him to make any definite assessment. Otto's shot relies more on elevating/jumping and alot of spin. Otto gets his shot off very quickly and at the college level could jump up and shoot over people which made it almost impossible to guard from midrange.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 30, 2014 14:31:58 GMT -5
Yes, but Kyle Anderson wasn't so hot his freshman year. He shot a putrid 41%, 21% from 3, 3.5 assists, 2 turnovers. The only place where he was elite was 8.6 rebounds. His sophomore season he lit it up. So comparing a 2 year sophomore Kyle Anderson to a barely freshman 6 game Paul White is not fair. The better comparison might be freshman Kyle Anderson vs freshman Paul White. I believe he may play alot of 1 next year based on us missing out on elite guards for next years recruiting class and if DSR leaves. It's a way to get him in the lineup without sacrificing minutes for Govan, Derrickson/Trey Mourning, Copeland/Cameron, Peak. Gives us alot of size and length too which is always favorable in college. His lack of speed for a point guard defensively can be masked in a zone like with Whittington up top. Kyle wasn't great his freshman season because Shabazz Muhammad wouldn't let go of the basketball and Larry Drew ran the point. So Kyle was kind of a man without a country that year Those two moved on when he was a sophomore and Kyle turned in an All-American season playing the point full-time Is DSR chopped liver then?
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Nov 30, 2014 14:33:54 GMT -5
shoulda read my post right above yours That was after the post where you contributed to the derailing of the discussion though, which also happens to be the post where you responded to and criticized posters for something they weren't doing (saying that Paul White was equal to or better than KA, overall). was never criticizing any posters here - just calmin the hoya green down - def. think they legalized marijuana in DC
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Nov 30, 2014 14:37:25 GMT -5
b/c we have only seen 6 games of White. i mean people were saying Peak was the next coming of Dwayne Wade after 4 games and now they don't even mention him because he had poor showings last 2 games. if white continues to improve throughout the season and somehow carries us beyond first weeknd of the NCAA tournament, mayb we can start comparing him to green, KA. but it's too early. as of only speaking of ball handling skills, KA is vastly superior to white ; KA was UCLA's PG and he will play that position in the pros as well. Whereas White has not even been given such assignment by JT3. And I doubt he will in our system. He will only play the 3 and 4 positions while he is with us. Sorry Cosmo but none of that matters. Young players get compared to older player ALL THE TIME…. People were calling Malik Newman the next Iverson when he was a Freshman in HS. Ray Smith the next Paul George in High School. There’s 0 harm done. It seems like you just love to be negative, can’t recall the last time you posted anything good about Hoya Basketball. also can't remember the last time you did not put words into people's mouths. this was about comparin White to KA after 6 games of a season, and all i said was it was too early to compare those two, while clearly agreein with some people with sanity that KA def. has a better ball handlin skills than white. it's silly. that should not even be compared. white has a very good ball handlin skills AS A 6'9 AS SOMEONE PLAYING 3 OR 4 POSITION. but he is NOT a PG, nor will he ever be one for us.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Nov 30, 2014 14:39:44 GMT -5
about time Dan steps in btw
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 30, 2014 14:45:15 GMT -5
Kyle wasn't great his freshman season because Shabazz Muhammad wouldn't let go of the basketball and Larry Drew ran the point. So Kyle was kind of a man without a country that year Those two moved on when he was a sophomore and Kyle turned in an All-American season playing the point full-time Is DSR chopped liver then? Why would DSR be chopped liver? If DSR leaves for pro (NBA or Europe) after this year then there's a void at point guard, especially since we missed out on all the top PG prospects for next year.
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