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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 9, 2014 13:36:24 GMT -5
Just checking back in. Apathy for sure in the football program. Just look at the # of posts per game and volume of interest for anything through the years. Football needs a shot in the arm in the form of new investment for stadium, an indication we are willing to compete with the Patriot League, etc. but not sure that is coming. Let me save you the suspense: it's not. I don't know why posters in this thread think if they ask the same question over and over that the answer will be different.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 10, 2014 16:36:26 GMT -5
Let me save you the suspense: it's not. Like many things at Georgetown, it's not that simple. The issues of program investment and conference commitment are different issues. Remember, Bob Benson spent a lot of human capital to get the MSF going and it failed him; conversely, Kevin Kelly exhibited a hands-off approach and that's why the MSF of 2014 is the same as the MSF of 2006. Coach Sgarlata has to figure out what works for him and make that case to the constituents. It may not be that simply in terms of execution, but it pretty much is in terms of ultimate outcome. It's not that attention, effort, leadership, etc. don't matter at all - they do... to a point. If Rob Sgarlata were a master orator, perhaps he could wring more dollars from the money tree or win over some converts to the MSF cause, resulting in a slightly expedited timetable. But, to a remarkable degree, the hands of the football coach at Georgetown are really tied when it comes to many key decisions involving the program. Rob Sgarlata understands this - he's been here longer than anyone. That was one of the main attractions to hiring him - he understands the underlying realities at Georgetown and is willing to live with them. Bob Benson was operating in a different environment, and he was able to...eventually...get the MSF as far as 'Phase 1.' To what extent his departure, and the arrivals of Bernard Muir and Kevin Kelly, derailed progress I do not know. Presumably at least some. What I do know is that after the financial crash of Fall 2008, there was zero chance of the MSF being a top University priority, and the football program became viewed as even more of a historical ornament than it already was. The issues of program investment and conference commitment may be different issues, but the institutional culture that predestines their answers is the same. Let me save you the suspense: it's not. I don't know why posters in this thread think if they ask the same question over and over that the answer will be different. In fairness, had I not been able to make a thorough study of contemporary Georgetown institutional culture from the inside, over the course of 5 years as a full-time employee, I might find the answer mystifying and inexplicable as well. It all makes perfect sense... according to Georgetown's internal operative logic. But to understand that logic, one really has to be suffused with it. I've tried to lay out some of its key assumptions and reference points here, but I suppose that on some level, it's really difficult to understand without having lived it day-in and day-out. And I held jobs that had almost nothing to do with athletics!
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Post by thebin on Dec 15, 2014 11:58:31 GMT -5
I think Lee Reed and I have different interpretations of the term "very near future." Especially since we're very unlikely to hear anything heading into the last 2 weeks of the year.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 15, 2014 20:53:56 GMT -5
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Post by bogie on Dec 16, 2014 1:54:39 GMT -5
Other PL programs have scholarships funded by the school, which generally aren't endowed. They're not funded year to year by alumni. Actually, they are endowed. PL alums provide a substantial amount of the scholarship money available to students in all sports through annual endowments and through booster club fundraising. The football head coaches at most PL schools are endowed as well. Most "Core Five" PL football facilities have the luxury of having been constructed long ago but modern renovations have been funded through alumni donations. How else would these schools accomplish this?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 16, 2014 2:28:00 GMT -5
Other PL programs have scholarships funded by the school, which generally aren't endowed. They're not funded year to year by alumni. Actually, they are endowed. PL alums provide a substantial amount of the scholarship money available to students in all sports through annual endowments and through booster club fundraising. The football head coaches at most PL schools are endowed as well. Most "Core Five" PL football facilities have the luxury of having been constructed long ago but modern renovations have been funded through alumni donations. How else would these schools accomplish this? You realize I was referring to individually endowed scholarships and not general university endowments, right? I mean, I know you went to Lafayette and all, but come on.
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Post by bogie on Dec 16, 2014 4:04:58 GMT -5
You realize I was referring to individually endowed scholarships and not general university endowments, right? As was I. At Lafayette, in particular, the head coach is endowed by a dedicated private grant. Football scholarships are funded through the Maroon Club and through other private, endowed grants. That was the mandate (or perhaps challenge) of the "Division III" nay-sayers from a decade and a half ago. I'm glad we won that debate. My understanding is that a similar funding formula today exists throughout the PL's "Core Five."
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 16, 2014 14:04:36 GMT -5
As long as we're debating terminology, we should take care to distinguish between a truly endowed scholarship (i.e., a sum of money held in endowment to fund a particular cause out of the interest/earnings it accrues) and scholarships funded through ongoing, regular fundraising (i.e., current-use dollars).
Georgetown doesn't have a lot of endowed scholarships, period, because an endowed undergraduate scholarship costs about $1,000,000. Given their much smaller overall endowment (but not much lower tuition), I rather doubt that the "Core Five" have all that many endowed scholarships either. More likely, the majority of it is funded through annual giving.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 16, 2014 19:37:45 GMT -5
As long as we're debating terminology, we should take care to distinguish between a truly endowed scholarship (i.e., a sum of money held in endowment to fund a particular cause out of the interest/earnings it accrues) and scholarships funded through ongoing, regular fundraising (i.e., current-use dollars). Georgetown doesn't have a lot of endowed scholarships, period, because an endowed undergraduate scholarship costs about $1,000,000. Given their much smaller overall endowment (but not much lower tuition), I rather doubt that the "Core Five" have all that many endowed scholarships either. More likely, the majority of it is funded through annual giving. Thank you. Exactly my point. Even the Auburn's and LSU's of the world don't have truly endowed scholarships for their football players.
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Post by thebin on Jan 8, 2015 15:17:46 GMT -5
"We are updating our building plans for the Multi-Sport Field and hope to have some very exciting news to share in the very near future relative to the completion of that project."
Lee Reed, November 17, 2014.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 8, 2015 18:42:02 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 8, 2015 19:56:41 GMT -5
Donors (especially those who made a combined $11 million in commitments) do not think in such terms.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 8, 2015 21:03:21 GMT -5
Donors (especially those who made a combined $11 million in commitments) do not think in such terms. I've always wondered how much you have to give in order to get a courtesy status update from Lee Reed every X months. They should list it out on the Hoyas Unlimited donation list: $20,000 - Polo shirt, breakfast with the coaching staff, priority seating in Verizon, aaaaand... periodic emails from Lee saying "we're working on it."
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Post by thebin on Jan 9, 2015 16:06:34 GMT -5
"Near future" is in the eye of the beholder. To me "Very near future" means any day now. A few weeks TOPS. I guess I haven't learned my lesson. We need to develop a new framework for understanding time as it relates to Gtown's attempt to build a high school-sized stadium. Some sort of dog years conversion whereby it might be possible to spend 15 years making a 5K seat stadium. In that way, I suppose "very near future" could mean in the next couple of years.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 9, 2015 16:52:11 GMT -5
"Near future" is in the eye of the beholder. To me "Very near future" means any day now. A few weeks TOPS. I guess I haven't learned my lesson. We need to develop a new framework for understanding time as it relates to Gtown's attempt to build a high school-sized stadium. Some sort of dog years conversion whereby it might be possible to spend 15 years making a 5K seat stadium. In that way, I suppose "very near future" could mean in the next couple of years. Yes, a dog years to human years to Jesuit years conversion matrix would be excellent. The other point I should throw out, which did not originate with me (take that for what it's worth), is that there are small but important differences between the following three statements: "We are updating our building plans for the Multi-Sport Field and will have some very exciting news to share in the very near future relative to the completion of that project."
"We are updating our building plans for the Multi-Sport Field and should have some very exciting news to share in the very near future relative to the completion of that project."
"We are updating our building plans for the Multi-Sport Field and hope to have some very exciting news to share in the very near future relative to the completion of that project."This may be an instance where Lee was deliberate in his choice of words.
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Post by alumni47 on Feb 26, 2015 20:29:19 GMT -5
GROUNDHOG DAY
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