SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 7, 2005 20:34:34 GMT -5
No one here wants him to go pro, and I doubt anyone thinks it'd be a good idea for him to do so right now. But let's not take this occassion to start bashing our best offensive player and a guy who has played his heart out through some pretty trying times at Georgetown. That's all I'm saying. That's a very reasonable position. I don't see anything wrong with a young man assessing what his options are, how he is seen by those in his chosen profession, and what his opportunities are... either now, or later. The guess here is that he'll return -- because it will be a better decision for him. But there's no reason he should rely on our opinion. Let him check it out on his own. The fact that he did not sign with an agent is very telling.
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Post by FairfaxHoya on Apr 7, 2005 20:46:33 GMT -5
I would only wish him the best if he left, but this one seems short-sighted to me. Next year the Hoyas will probably be on tv twice as often, which will really allow him to show his skills to the scouts.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 7, 2005 20:52:55 GMT -5
Oh come on people, he's not leaving. He's just getting a look from scouts. I'm not even concerned in the least. If he opens a few eyes in camps this year, next year he can get some press and hopefully work his way into the second round.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Apr 8, 2005 1:10:22 GMT -5
I'd also add that with his size/length, the scouts will be sure to tell him "you should be a lockdown defensive player" and from what I've seen he along with rest of CBB has miles to go on that end of court.
I'm all for this as a measuring stick and hearing some feedback from outside of GU Staff, but key is how you take to it--both positive and negative and if you are committed to being a leader on court for the TEAM and not just preoccupied with making your NBA Stock rise. If the latter is case, then he should leave because I'd rather have GU be focused on winning Big East and getting to NCAA's then one guy who's got a different agenda.
Not going to worry about this and wish him luck. If he returns, I hope this experience will motivate him to take his game up a level in all areas, and if not, hope he makes it.
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hoyahoyasaxa
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Apr 8, 2005 7:43:57 GMT -5
When will we know for sure whether or not he is staying or going?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 8, 2005 7:54:23 GMT -5
I think he would be stupid if he didn't test the waters. Why not? Just as long as he stays out, I think it gives him a better feel for where he'll be at next year and I would hope he has told JTIII the same.
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hoyadrummer
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Post by hoyadrummer on Apr 8, 2005 7:56:26 GMT -5
There is a date, usually around June 14, when players have to decide one way or the other. That gives Brandon plenty of time to get some exsposure in front of the scouts.
Do first round picks get guaranteed contracts? I thought only lottery picks got guaranteed contracts. Brandon is no lottery pick this year, next year, who knows?
I am certain he will come back, not only because he has to improve some, but because the team is on the rise, and he will get much more TV time, etc next year.
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Apr 8, 2005 8:14:17 GMT -5
There is a date, usually around June 14, when players have to decide one way or the other. That gives Brandon plenty of time to get some exsposure in front of the scouts. Do first round picks get guaranteed contracts? I thought only lottery picks got guaranteed contracts. Brandon is no lottery pick this year, next year, who knows? I am certain he will come back, not only because he has to improve some, but because the team is on the rise, and he will get much more TV time, etc next year. According to today's Washington Post story, prospective draftees have until June 21 to decide whether they are going to pull out of the draft. Also, it was my understanding that unlike, say, the NFL all NBA players' contracts are guaranteed. I really hope, actually expect, that we'll have BB back next year. Not only does he have some parts of his game that need work, but he could substantially improve his stock and $$$ potential next season. Increasing his scoring average, making first team all Big East, vying for Big East POY and getting All American recognition are certainly goals that are within his reach. Come back, BB, we need you and you need us!
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 8, 2005 8:23:22 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the withdrawl date is 10 days before the draft. Since the draft is usually around the 24th or the 27th, you're probably close with your June 14th estimate.
And yea, all first rounders get guaranteed deals, the value of which is set by the NBA beforehand. Thus, if you get a guarantee from some team in the first round, most guys decide to stay in the draft.
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hoyadrummer
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Post by hoyadrummer on Apr 8, 2005 8:45:56 GMT -5
Also, it was my understanding that unlike, say, the NFL all NBA players' contracts are guaranteed. While all NBA contracts are guaranteed, not all players drafted are guaranteed to get contracts. Thanks to RB for the info about the first rounders. Do you know what the value of the contract for the last guy drafted in round one is? I know that the last guy in the lottery only gets $3.5 million over three seasons - just about enough to live on for the rest of your life provided that you don't waste it. I can't imagine that a promise of say $2 million over 3 years would make BB jump.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 8, 2005 9:02:09 GMT -5
I see this for what I beleive it to be - a public relations move for Brandon Bowman. He is trying to position himself for the 2006 draft. He needs to get himself on the scout's radar and have teams watching him throughout next season. Also, he will gather some opinions about his game's weaknesses and have the opportunity to show how he can improve those areas. However, if one of the late 1st round teams offer him a guarantee, he should go with no hard feelings. A guaranteed 3 year $2+Mil is worth delaying a college degree or risking an injury.
I wish him well and expect him to come back on a mission to improve certain areas of his game - defense and creating his own shot off the dribble.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 8, 2005 9:05:31 GMT -5
The last pick of the first round gets annual salaries of $696,300, $748,500 and $800,700 in their first three seasons, all of which is guaranteed money. This is based on 2004 data I believe, so the numbers may be adjusted a bit for this year.
It's not a ton of money for an NBA player, but its enough for most guys to skip senior year. A lot of times players prefer to fall to the first pick of the second round, because if they do and manage to prove themselves in camp, they can negotiate a better deal than the last pick in the first round.
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Post by chinatownfanclub on Apr 8, 2005 9:08:28 GMT -5
don't see BB as being an NBA now or in the future. there are hundreds of guys who play the 3 with similar games to his and a better jump shot and/or post game. people can talk all they want about "testing the waters," but let's not forget that he can't being screwing around all during april and may if we want him to be eligible for next year. i look at the john gilchrist situation and just hope that we don't have that develop next year if BB decides to return.
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Post by HoyaAlbany on Apr 8, 2005 9:08:55 GMT -5
i agree with the consensus, this is just an exploration and we will see BB back next year - but did we even have a clue that this might happen??
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 8, 2005 9:11:30 GMT -5
As an FYI, according to the NBA Collective Bargaining agreement, last year's final 1st round pick #29 would earn: 1st Year - $696,300 2nd Year - $748,500 3rd Year - $800,700 4th Year - team option 80.5% raise over 3rd year, or around $1,445,263 5th Year - team option 50% raise or $2,167,895 The first 3 years are guaranteed $2.25M. If teams pick up all the options the rookie contract for the last pick in the first round is worth $5.86M. Here is the link for other picks: members.cox.net/lmcoon/scale.htmBased on this, I would encourage Brandon to leave if he could get a San Antonio, Phoenix or Miami to guarantee to pick him.
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YB
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Post by YB on Apr 8, 2005 9:21:43 GMT -5
Obviously I want BB to stay as well, and I think he'd be better served by staying. He and DJ stay, they have a great chance to do something really special next year. There is no publicity like going deep inot the NCAA tourney, and they have a real chance at that next year.
I'm not being critical to him, I'm saying he's a good player and the extra year of improving in a good team under 3 will do wonders for him AND his draft position.
I understand his position, I'm just saying he would be helped by coming back in all likelihood. That, and the NBE will be pretty close to the NBA in quality of play!
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Apr 8, 2005 9:40:07 GMT -5
Don't forget the Gilbert Arenas lesson. If Brandon really does think he'll make a halfway decent pro, he may be better off getting drafted in the second round, and not stuck with a first round contract that will commit him up to five years. Arenas, a second round pick, made more in his third year in the league than anybody picked ahead of him. He was a free agent while all the first rounders were locked in to deals they had to sign as rookies.
I don't think any of us believe that Bowman is going to be a high priced NBA free agent three years from now, but agents will tell kids lots of things. Just because he hasn't signed with an agent doesn't mean they won't be talking to him.
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Post by 1803 on Apr 8, 2005 10:01:15 GMT -5
I wish him the best of luck at the camps, and he will have a chance to open some eyes. Obviously I would like to see him back in a Hoya uniform, and I suspect we will. This kind of news used to be the death knell, but more and more guys are taking the opportunity, then returning to school. Look no further than Jameer Nelson who went to the camps as a junior, returned to school, led his team to Number 1 and several national player of the year awards, and got picked in the first round by Orlando where he is getting some good run.
Good luck to Brandon, I hope he makes the decision that is best for him and his family.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 8, 2005 10:10:28 GMT -5
As most on this board, I hope he stays. I was relieved to hear that he didn't hire an agent. To do so now would have been the bad BB. I think this is the first year that he has really had some national attention and he probably has to build on that to get his name in front the NBA types. If he can get the consistency that we hope for, I think he can play at the next level. Only not next year.
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Post by FOTP on Apr 8, 2005 10:20:17 GMT -5
My biggest fear in all of this is that Brandon goes back home to LA after the season and listens to the wrong people and is out of the comfort zone of JTIII.
Now that he put his hat in the ring every agent and runner will be ALL over him telling him lies about when he will go in the draft etc.
I hope he stays near Georgetown so he can get good advice.
The other point is he needs to be VERY careful with receipts and paying his own expenses. Remember the NCAA doesn't act quickly on anything so you need to have everything VERY well documented. LAwrence Roberts missed a couple of games last year for this exact reason.
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