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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 6, 2014 13:41:46 GMT -5
This need is lessened if Hayes is really ready, but I suspect there will be some matchups we don't want Hayes anywhere near. While I hope Hayes has improved enough to get more playing time, I do think that JT3 will trust Hopkins more than Hayes when defense matters or in tough situations. Hopkins' defense can also be pretty good (when he's not fouling), it's the offensive end where he gets himself into trouble. Hayes' size is nice, but given that the Big East isn't full of big centers, there are few matchups where Hayes' size will make a big difference if Hopkins' defense is better. The best situation would be for Hayes to have improved, which would give us more options. Either way, I think Hayes will play more than last year. Smith will not play more than 20-25 minutes most games, and with Hopkins' foul tendencies, he's pretty much guaranteed some time (but probably not a huge amount). But really, we only have 3 guys who can play center - Smith, Hopkins, and Hayes. In the past, JT3 had played Lubick there when he went small, but White and Copeland don't strike me as the types that would be filling in as a small center.
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Post by prhoya on Oct 6, 2014 14:44:43 GMT -5
But really, we only have 3 guys who can play center - Smith, Hopkins, and Hayes. In the past, JT3 had played Lubick there when he went small, but White and Copeland don't strike me as the types that would be filling in as a small center. In an emergency (whatever that is), they will have to fill in. See, John Caprio.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 6, 2014 15:40:31 GMT -5
While "emergency" situations like Caprio playing center might be fun in retrospect, that really did expose our weakness and lack of depth last year. I appreciate Caprio's dedication to the program, but we should never be in a position where a walk-on is forced to play in a game. Caprio also lost us that one game with the silly foul that might have been the difference between the NCAA's and NIT.
Luckily, with the new freshman, I think the odds of that happening are extremely low.
Edit: I know he was a scholarship player last year technically, but he was not recruited as such.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 6, 2014 15:45:51 GMT -5
While "emergency" situations like Caprio playing center might be fun in retrospect, that really did expose our weakness and lack of depth last year. I appreciate Caprio's dedication to the program, but we should never be in a position where a walk-on is forced to play in a game. Caprio also lost us that one game with the silly foul that might have been the difference between the NCAA's and NIT. Luckily, with the new freshman, I think the odds of that happening are extremely low. Edit: I know he was a scholarship player last year technically, but he was not recruited as such. Some of the team managers are on scholarship as well....doesn't mean we should play them. The fact that we were forced to go to Caprio tell you that we had very little off the bench. Very different story moving forward.
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Post by dungeon ball on Oct 6, 2014 16:05:08 GMT -5
While "emergency" situations like Caprio playing center might be fun in retrospect, that really did expose our weakness and lack of depth last year. I appreciate Caprio's dedication to the program, but we should never be in a position where a walk-on is forced to play in a game. Caprio also lost us that one game with the silly foul that might have been the difference between the NCAA's and NIT. Luckily, with the new freshman, I think the odds of that happening are extremely low. Edit: I know he was a scholarship player last year technically, but he was not recruited as such. To me, Caprio playing at the end of the Marquette game was JTIII's biggest coaching blunder of his time here. I know he didn't have a lot of good options at the time, but playing Cap in that situation was the worst one.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Oct 6, 2014 16:06:01 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Oct 6, 2014 16:16:55 GMT -5
While "emergency" situations like Caprio playing center might be fun in retrospect, that really did expose our weakness and lack of depth last year. I appreciate Caprio's dedication to the program, but we should never be in a position where a walk-on is forced to play in a game. Caprio also lost us that one game with the silly foul that might have been the difference between the NCAA's and NIT. Luckily, with the new freshman, I think the odds of that happening are extremely low. Edit: I know he was a scholarship player last year technically, but he was not recruited as such. We are a Smith injury/eligibility issue or whistle-happy ref crew away from another "big" predicament. The weakness/lack of depth is still there. So, Ike and White have to be ready to come in as C if they are absolutely needed and the other three bigs are not available or in foul trouble.
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Post by prhoya on Oct 7, 2014 6:57:15 GMT -5
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Post by bigelephant on Oct 7, 2014 7:58:35 GMT -5
Well everybody has more than exellent and valid points. I am going by past history and gut feel. I think Bowen is probably the weak link in my lineup. But don't you think that the coaches will be cognizant of Bowen's return for a 5th year. I fully expect the starting lineup to change sooner than later. But whomever he starts may continue until the first loss which then gives JTIII the opportunity to play the strongest players at the start. There are factors in naming the initial starting team beyond who are the 5 best players.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Oct 7, 2014 8:41:10 GMT -5
I am fine with starting Bowen and Hopkins until other players beat them out (if that happens).
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 7, 2014 11:22:36 GMT -5
I can't see it. I don't think Bowen starts.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 7, 2014 11:52:33 GMT -5
I am fine with starting Bowen and Hopkins until other players beat them out (if that happens). Who isn't fine with that? I think we all just think they are going to be bea out quickly. You have NBA talent competing with experienced role players. Talent will win.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 7, 2014 12:09:30 GMT -5
Bowen may not start but people should not undervalue what he can contribute to this team. He is long and athletic. He is quick and willing to crash the boards. His outside shot is not a major plus, but I think that the focal point is too much on scoring. Big John's teams were filled with players who excelled in one or two areas and yet performed valuable roles and became important pieces of the bigger picture. Besides, this year's team will be a collection of question marks.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 7, 2014 15:18:28 GMT -5
Bowen may not start but people should not undervalue what he can contribute to this team. He is long and athletic. He is quick and willing to crash the boards. His outside shot is not a major plus, but I think that the focal point is too much on scoring. Big John's teams were filled with players who excelled in one or two areas and yet performed valuable roles and became important pieces of the bigger picture. Besides, this year's team will be a collection of question marks. I think Bowen is a fine player. I just think that Peak and Copeland are going to be very, very good.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 7, 2014 16:05:45 GMT -5
Bowen definitely has a valuable role on this team, but I think it is mostly coming off the bench and doing the little things, particularly using his speed and athleticism on defense, for some offense in fastbreak situations, and some rebounding.
Even if Bowen starts (I don't think he will), it's hard to see him getting more than 15 minutes a game or so. He's still a valuable asset and I am glad he came back, but there's no way he will see starter minutes, even if he's a technically starter.
I really think the odd man out could be Cameron if he has not seen improvement over the summer, particularly on his main skill, 3 point shooting. Given his performance last year, it's hard to believe that Peak, Copeland, and White will not eclipse him. My feeling is that he will get a chance early on, and if he doesn't prove himself, he'll be riding the bench most of the year.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Oct 7, 2014 16:40:11 GMT -5
I also think that Bowen is a good player, very athletic. I have said it before, it's almost like he needs more time on the court to get into a groove. When he plays sparingly, he tends to overthink, fumble, and miss on his shots. It is frustrating. he's probably frustrated. Bu it is what it is with Bowen. I love his commitment to georgetown.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 7, 2014 17:55:13 GMT -5
I also think that Bowen is a good player, very athletic. I have said it before, it's almost like he needs more time on the court to get into a groove. When he plays sparingly, he tends to overthink, fumble, and miss on his shots. It is frustrating. he's probably frustrated. Bu it is what it is with Bowen. I love his commitment to georgetown. Well said.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 7, 2014 18:19:04 GMT -5
bowen great hops good d hnmmmmmmmm hustle got me thinking here justsaying go hoyas DEPTH yup DEPTH go hoyas
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Post by centercourt400s on Oct 23, 2014 16:17:18 GMT -5
Day one starters:
DSR Trawick Bowen Hopkins Smith
You have to admit that Bowen has improved every year and last year seemed like the biggest jump yet to me. For the first time he was trusted to play steady minutes and be frequently in the game during important moments. I think he takes another step forward this season, his basketball IQ catching up further to his athleticism and his experience in the system winning out (initially) over the potential of the freshmen.
I can't decide if Copeland or Peak will get the most minutes of the freshmen. I'm thinking that it depends on which one is fitting in better in defensive sets. Both guys impressed offensively when I saw them during Kenner and Peak looked kind of like a force of nature. I'm guessing that starting day 1 is going to more dependent on defense however and I doubt either of them are going to be better than Bowen or Trawick, at least early in the year.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 23, 2014 18:20:57 GMT -5
Centercourt, I hope you are wrong on the starting five. We need the freshmen from day one.
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