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Post by EtomicB on Mar 11, 2014 21:10:35 GMT -5
Well that certainly sounds like the NCAA. Wasting years of eligibility for situations completely out of the player's control. What a joke. That's just terrible for the kid. Usually when a coach is fired, the university does committed players the courtesy of releasing them from their LOIs. I suspect that will happen here and Graham won't have to wait a year and will be eligible immediately. I just read a post from E. Bossi on Rivals who thinks the time for a release has passed already for Graham due to the fact he was originally a 2013 prospect who reclassified. I just looked it up and he committed to App State in September of 2012 to begin playing for them in the 2013-14 season. So he needed to get the release from App State sometime before this season started.. In essence he is looked at like he played for them this year and now must transfer to another school which as we know requires him to sit out a year.. You're right Snowplow it's a bad rule..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 21:22:54 GMT -5
Usually when a coach is fired, the university does committed players the courtesy of releasing them from their LOIs. I suspect that will happen here and Graham won't have to wait a year and will be eligible immediately. I just read a post from E. Bossi on Rivals who thinks the time for a release has passed already for Graham due to the fact he was originally a 2013 prospect who reclassified. I just looked it up and he committed to App State in September of 2012 to begin playing for them in the 2013-14 season. So he needed to get the release from App State before sometime before this season started.. In essence he is looked at like he played for them this year and now must transfer to another school which as we know requires him to sit out a year.. You're right Snowplow it's a bad rule.. That's right, I forgot he was a post-graduate student. It is a dumb rule and I feel bad for him because college coaches have the freedom to leave at a moment's notice. I'm not advocating for free agency or anything, but players should have some increased flexibility too because the penalties are quite draconian right now. But I will say that a big reason of doing a PG year is to get better at your sport at a new school with better competition and showcase yourself for recruiting purposes. If Graham had any inclination that he wanted to go elsewhere or that he might improve past the mid-major level he shouldnt have signed his LOI. Otherwise why reclassify and do a PG year? I have trouble believing he was gonna lose his offer if he had waited six months, but maybe he woulda-- I don't know the details of his recruitment.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 11, 2014 21:41:32 GMT -5
I don't understand why we should be content wit just Tre'. i'm not even talking from a competion standpoint, but from a depth standpoint; I f the graham kid wants to come then what? Plus they could go head to head in practice. You can never have too many guards in my opinion. pitt and cincy always have a plethora. exactly. you can have all of the "long, athletic, versatile" players you want. but you need more than 3 good guards on your team in my opinion. and this team gets beat every year in the post season by guards that aren't like GU's guards (who are mainly shooters).
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 11, 2014 21:48:09 GMT -5
Louisville has taken 3 centers in the 2014 class.. And...what? Not all things are equal at different programs. Lousiville also has a coach who has before been known to play with larger rotations than III. Pitino puts out newbies on the floor early and often even if they don't know the system yet. You know what, if GU runs a press a lot next year, will need another guard. Maybe they consider Riyan Williams and David Allen options there. Who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 23:51:42 GMT -5
Adam Finkelstein @adamfinkelstein Feb 6 He isn't permitted to talk to college coaches or be in the ESPN 100 but Devonte Graham is one of the best left in '14 ow.ly/tlE4b Eric Bossi @ebosshoops Jan 19 Devonte Graham gets better each and every time I see him. Brewster Prep PG has developed into a legit top 100 player. Evan Daniels @evandaniels Feb 16 Top five available players in 2014 are Myles Turner, JaQuan Lyle, Devonte Graham, Kobie Eubanks & Jarvis Garrett. So maybe I'm missing something here...but if he's not permitted to talk to college coaches, how is he supposed to choose a school? Until he gets his release he can’t. App State said they would re-evaluate his situation when the new coach is hired. The speculation is at that time he would be released and cleared to talk to other schools
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 12, 2014 19:32:42 GMT -5
Since he can't help the team next year, will we still have any interest in him? Or would we rather have one or more guards starting in 2015 who have a full four years of eligibility?
My inclination would be to use the scholarship for a 5th year senior if there's one out there that can help us, and not reduce our scholarships for 2015 on a player who can't help us in 2014.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Mar 12, 2014 23:01:39 GMT -5
For those of you that think we should be done with the '14 class....that's exactly what I am now hearing. Maybe we need to rethink that.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 12, 2014 23:25:05 GMT -5
For those of you that think we should be done with the '14 class....that's exactly what I am now hearing. Maybe we need to rethink that. I'm begging them to rethink this.. We're always hearing how hungry & aggressive the "new" staff is but seeing them stop recruiting so early makes me think otherwise..
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Mar 12, 2014 23:27:09 GMT -5
Maybe we need to rethink that. I'm begging them to rethink this.. We're always hearing how hungry & aggressive the "new" staff is but seeing them stop recruiting so early makes me think otherwise.. For God's sake, Matt Cimino would be an upgrade over all our bigs. At least he shoots the ball.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 12, 2014 23:35:11 GMT -5
I'm begging them to rethink this.. We're always hearing how hungry & aggressive the "new" staff is but seeing them stop recruiting so early makes me think otherwise.. For God's sake, Matt Cimino would be an upgrade over all our bigs. At least he shoots the ball. Exactly.. He could be G'town's Forrest Robinson.. This program should never be without a big who can shoot and I'm not talking 6-8 guys like Otto or Whit either..
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Post by Talos on Mar 13, 2014 10:01:43 GMT -5
Since he can't help the team next year, will we still have any interest in him? Or would we rather have one or more guards starting in 2015 who have a full four years of eligibility? My inclination would be to use the scholarship for a 5th year senior if there's one out there that can help us, and not reduce our scholarships for 2015 on a player who can't help us in 2014. This. We already have some very unbalanced classes with only 1 in 2013 and 4-5 in 2014. I would prefer a transfer guard who can play right away or a 5th year senior with a good handle. I'm concerned about DSR or a freshman Tre bringing up the ball against a good press.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 10:42:56 GMT -5
For God's sake, Matt Cimino would be an upgrade over all our bigs. At least he shoots the ball. Exactly.. He could be G'town's Forrest Robinson.. This program should never be without a big who can shoot and I'm not talking 6-8 guys like Otto or Whit either.. Watching Forrest last night made me think of Trey Mourning tbh..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 11:06:58 GMT -5
I doubt the staff would seriously consider Graham for a couple of reasons. The main one might be our relationship with Takeover. Wouldn’t be surprising if it ruffled some feather over there if we decided to recruit over one of their players in the same class. That being said in general I’m for adding high level talent regardless of the situation. if the kid can play and you think he could contribute at a high level you bring him in.
I don’t really care about balanced or unbalanced classes the reality is it’s rare all of those kids are going to stick together in the same class. Some go pro, some get injured, some don’t pan out and transfer no matter the size of class. 2011 we brought in 4 2 will graduate on time. 2012 (5) we have 2 left. 2013 (4) 3 left.
When I look at our teams since 2008 I see usually 3 really good players and then a huuuuuuge drop off in talent. We always have a couple studs and then a bunch of pups. Guys that you’re actually shocked to see make a good play sometimes getting 10-15 minutes a night. If a talented kid leaves your program after a 2 years because better players are ahead of him so be it. At least you had him 2 years and it’s better than having a guy who couldn’t get off the bench for 2 years do the same.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 13, 2014 11:13:11 GMT -5
I doubt the staff would seriously consider Graham for a couple of reasons. The main one might be our relationship with Takeover. Wouldn’t be surprising if it ruffled some feather over there if we decided to recruit over one of their players in the same class. That being said in general I’m for adding high level talent regardless of the situation. if the kid can play and you think he could contribute at a high level you bring him in. I don’t really care about balanced or unbalanced classes the reality is it’s rare all of those kids are going to stick together in the same class. Some go pro, some get injured, some don’t pan out and transfer no matter the size of class. 2011 we brought in 4 2 will graduate on time. 2012 (5) we have 2 left. 2013 (4) 3 left. When I look at our teams since 2008 I see usually 3 really good players and then a huuuuuuge drop off in talent. We always have a couple studs and then a bunch of pups. Guys that you’re actually shocked to see make a good play sometimes getting 10-15 minutes a night. If a talented kid leaves your program after a 2 years because better players are ahead of him so be it. At least you had him 2 years and it’s better than having a guy who couldn’t get off the bench for 2 years do the same. I agree 100% Yaboy !! The program needs additional talent as soon as possible..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 11:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 14, 2014 13:09:00 GMT -5
I'm all for recruiting Graham as long as we think he can contribute.
More talent, sooner. I'm bird in the hand right now because we have no depth and have a tendency towards thing classes. I like Tre, but he may not end up being that good. Or he may take time. Having Graham and Campbell make it much more likely that one of them is a strong contributor.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Mar 14, 2014 16:53:42 GMT -5
If you think about it we haven't really had a bad PG, we've been rather fortunate in that position. We could always do better but the PG's under JT3 have been solid.
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 14, 2014 17:25:06 GMT -5
If you think about it we haven't really had a bad PG, we've been rather fortunate in that position. We could always do better but the PG's under JT3 have been solid. Good point teddy Jon Wallace Chris Wright Markel Starks One could argue that has been the most solid position throughout JT3's tenure at GU
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Mar 14, 2014 17:44:02 GMT -5
Jason Clark wasn't too bad either. With Coach Harrington there I'm a little perplexed as to why our big's are so bad.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2014 18:57:32 GMT -5
Jason Clark wasn't too bad either. With Coach Harrington there I'm a little perplexed as to why our big's are so bad. Unfortunately, just because Harrington was a solid NBA player doesn't mean that he is a good coach. I'm not commenting on his abilities (I don't know) but so far we haven't seen many results.
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