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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Mar 31, 2005 12:55:34 GMT -5
Wow. I miss the board for 24 hours in the off season and this tuns into a lightening rod.
PE Jr went to my old high school (Marietta), and I had a chance to see him play some when he was the co-star of the team (along with Dale Ellis's son). For the record, he played at 3 schools, not 5. And to be fair, the reason he left New York was because of a custody dispute between his mother and father. And the reason he transferred once he got to Georgia was because he landed in a school that wasn't doing him any favors. It was small and not that great in terms of basketball or academics.
So yeah, the kid transferred alot in high school, but can you really hold it against him given his parental situation? And for somebody who clearly has NBA aspirations and could potentially develop into such a player in the right program, can you blame him for leaving IU?
Interestingly, GTech versus Gtown would basically come down to Mom (in Georgia) versus Dad (Hoyas connection).
Ewing had a lot of passion when he was on the court, which could perhaps explain his fouls and lack of PT at Indiana. I remember he fouled out at a very bad juncture in the state tournament his last year in HS. But he leaves it all on the floor, which is something you have to admire, especially if someone can help him learn how to avoid the cheap fouls. I'd like the fit if the scholly doesn't hurt us next season.
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Post by Jack on Mar 31, 2005 13:12:34 GMT -5
Am I wrong, or did he not transfer again from Marietta to a school in the DC area?
If the choice is between DJ for next year or Ewing for the two years after that, my vote is decidedly for DJ.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Mar 31, 2005 13:16:30 GMT -5
Am I wrong, or did he not transfer again from Marietta to a school in the DC area? If the choice is between DJ for next year or Ewing for the two years after that, my vote is decidedly for DJ. I agree. DJ IS a Hoya and has been dedicated to the program. PE Jr.'s Dad was the best Hoya ever however chose (I'm assuming we would have offered) not to attend GU initially. My loyalty goes 100% to DJ if it came down to that.
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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Mar 31, 2005 13:24:42 GMT -5
Ah, now that you mention it... you are right. But even that was because of a stupid situation beyond his control. He didn't play bball in New York, where he went to private school for 2 years. When he came to school in Georgia, they made him start as a sophomore instead of as a junior, as I understood it because the standards at his original school were so low.
He played high school ball at the small GA school for one year, then went to Marietta thinking he was going to be able to play out the rest of his high school career there. But the Georgia High School Association wouldn't let him play his senior year because he'd already been in HS a total of 4 years. Lest he sit out another year and let his skills flounder, he did in fact transfer again.
Everything about his high school situation I think can be directly traced back to moving in with his mother. Given how some kids float from school to school these days I can see how all this could set off red flags, but I see PE Jr as being on the receiving end of a really crappy situation rather than someone trying to manipulate the system.
I see the Indiana transfer as completely separate.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Mar 31, 2005 22:10:04 GMT -5
What position would PE Jr. play in our offense? If he's looking for more playing time I'm not so sure GU would be the best fit. From what people have said above, it doesn't sound like he can play the 3 -- he doesn't shoot the ball well enough. So he'd have to play the 4. Currently that position is occupied by Brandon Bowman/Jeff Green, depending on which lineup is out on the floor.
If Roy continues to develop or we pick up another big man, wouldn't JTIII play Jeff in the PF slot all the time? Even if he doesn't, we'll be STACKED with forwards by the time PE Jr is eligible. Sead, Izzo, Guibunda, and Spann could all challenge him for playing time. (Though given the limited amount of playing time some of these guys have seen, whether they are real competition is questionable.)
It looks like there would be some competition for Pat at Georgia Tech, too. Isma'il Muhammad is graduating, as is another forward, but there are two current freshmen who got decent playing time this season, and I don't know who they've got coming in.
So this may come down to which coach can promise the most playing time. Can JTIII promise that? With an up-and-coming team like ours it doesn't seem such promises can be made unless the player is a real blue chip -- every Hoya should have to fight for playing time.
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Post by Jack on Mar 31, 2005 22:39:46 GMT -5
Austin, did you really just write Izzo?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 1, 2005 0:20:32 GMT -5
Haha...Come on, I hear Izzo has been working on a devastating sky hook for next season.
That's what happens when you go through the roster looking for all the forwards without thinking.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 1, 2005 12:49:56 GMT -5
Just to add a little background, Rivals.com's final rankings of players in PE Jr's senior year had him listed as the #97 best player at 6'8, 215. Before anyone gets crazy... this is an information only post... make of it what you will.
It also says he had offers from GU, DePaul and TX, in addition to IU of course.
By way of reference, other listings that year included: #77 Matt Causey 5'11, 170 #66 Darian Townes 6'9, 215 #62 Hassan Fofana 6'9, 250 #58 Will Sheridan 6'8, 240 #5 Charlie Villanueva 6'9, 215 #2 Luol Deng 6'8, 217
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Apr 1, 2005 15:10:46 GMT -5
All those rankings and ratings and weird formulas you guys are coming with means nothing. Anyone who seen him play when transferred to the area as a HS player knows this kid can play. Not only was he the best player on a stacked team, but that team played some highly touted sqauds nationally that year, and Ewing Jr. took it to some of the so called top players in the country. Anyone who has watched him play can also tell you that athletically he puts anyone on the current G'Town roster to shame, including Green. He won both of IUs DC's with 540 windmills. This is the same guy who at the Capital Classic, had Lebron James and Shannon Brown come out of the locker room hours before their game and stare in amazement at what he was doing in the warm ups.
Indiana simply was the wrong place for him. Imagine being a wing player in HS and then going to a program where you're expected to be a totally different player. He's not a garbage man, rebound and block shots type of guy. The best way to describe Ewing Jr. as a HS player and at Nike camp, would be a poor mans Brandon Bowman. He's alot more versatile than what people think of him. People see him as some utility, athletic big man. Thats not his game at all.
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Post by coachmcguirk on Apr 1, 2005 15:32:21 GMT -5
I agree. DJ IS a Hoya and has been dedicated to the program. PE Jr.'s Dad was the best Hoya ever however chose (I'm assuming we would have offered) not to attend GU initially. My loyalty goes 100% to DJ if it came down to that. At the risk of taking this thread wildly off-topic, for my money the best Hoya ever was Reggie Williams. What he did with Reggie & the Miracles tips the balance -- no other Hoya could have taken that team to within one game of the final four, Patrick included (check his sophomore year). Here it comes . . .
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 1, 2005 15:39:16 GMT -5
Why you %#Q@&)E!!! How could you say that! You don't know $#*&@*@&%!! er... April Fools?
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 1, 2005 18:13:46 GMT -5
When you talk about Georgetown Basketball and playing at the college level, the story begins and ends with Patrick - everyone else is on another level - some at a very, very high level - but Patrick is all by himself.
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Apr 1, 2005 19:47:28 GMT -5
When you talk about Georgetown Basketball and playing at the college level, the story begins and ends with Patrick - everyone else is on another level - some at a very, very high level - but Patrick is all by himself. Are you trying to tell me that Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje(that right?) was not as good as the lousy Patrick Ewing? Shame on you!(its still April 1st right?)
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 1, 2005 20:37:31 GMT -5
I'd rather have had 2 years of KG (or Chris Webber even) than the 4 we got from Patrick. Ewing was ok, and he obviously helped the program, but his college career couldn't hold a candle to Webber or KG, who, if he'd been of age when Patrick was (i.e. had to go to college), would have DOMINATED Ewing.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 1, 2005 21:41:21 GMT -5
I'd rather have had 2 years of KG (or Chris Webber even) than the 4 we got from Patrick. Ewing was ok, and he obviously helped the program, but his college career couldn't hold a candle to Webber or KG, who, if he'd been of age when Patrick was (i.e. had to go to college), would have DOMINATED Ewing. I'm going to assume this is just more April Foolishness.
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 1, 2005 21:57:57 GMT -5
I'd rather have had 2 years of KG (or Chris Webber even) than the 4 we got from Patrick. Ewing was ok, and he obviously helped the program, but his college career couldn't hold a candle to Webber or KG, who, if he'd been of age when Patrick was (i.e. had to go to college), would have DOMINATED Ewing. I'm so mad I can't even talk right now. WHAT!? HE'S A WITCH! Burn'em!
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 1, 2005 22:17:24 GMT -5
TBird, you better be joking man, Im not passing to you in our intramural game tomorrow! haha
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 1, 2005 22:22:12 GMT -5
I'd rather have had 2 years of KG (or Chris Webber even) than the 4 we got from Patrick. Ewing was ok, and he obviously helped the program, but his college career couldn't hold a candle to Webber or KG, who, if he'd been of age when Patrick was (i.e. had to go to college), would have DOMINATED Ewing. ;D ;D ;D Good joke, TBird. Now, tell us what you really think.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 2, 2005 15:16:40 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D Good joke, TBird. Now, tell us what you really think. Thanks. I was hoping for a the_way type rant, but whatever. And you gotta go w/ Patrick, obviously, as the best Hoya. We had a thread about this earlier, back around when Bowman scored his 1000th point. Though, I don't know enough about Hoya history to be an authority.
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