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Post by proudhoya on Jan 30, 2014 9:17:15 GMT -5
He has taken a position as Defensive Coordinator.
With the program at a crossroads, it will be interesting to see who will take on the challenge.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 30, 2014 9:22:47 GMT -5
Kelly is going to work for Pete Lembo at Ball State as the DC.
He did his best at Georgetown, but it was not a fair fight.
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Post by Ro on Jan 30, 2014 9:53:01 GMT -5
Good luck to him. Here we are in a "be careful what you wish for" situation for most of the people who post on this board. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out, but I think it would be a pretty big mistake to not hand the program over to Sgarlata. He's worthy, deserving and I cannot possibly imagine finding anyone else who would be a better ambassador of Georgetown University values. He's been on the Hilltop for over 20 years now and he is the link that spans generations. There is really no need for a national search when he right man for the job is already in the building.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 30, 2014 11:22:25 GMT -5
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Post by alumni47 on Jan 30, 2014 13:47:08 GMT -5
Super nice guy, great coach... Feel sorry for the new recruits and players, he is a great coach to play for. Interesting to see if any talent goes to Ball State. HHHMMMMMMMMMM.. Recruits get out now !!!!!!!! We will be hearing the same old rebuilding crap again.
Division 3 Football here we come !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 30, 2014 14:04:11 GMT -5
Super nice guy, great coach... Feel sorry for the new recruits and players, he is a great coach to play for. Interesting to see if any talent goes to Ball State. HHHMMMMMMMMMM.. Recruits get out now !!!!!!!! We will be hearing the same old rebuilding crap again.
Division 3 Football here we come !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bahahahahahah. "Great coach to play for": Ask any former player whether they liked their HS coach or Kelly more. "Great coach": Just look at his record. When you can't do better than your counterpart at Bucknell, you're doing something wrong. The Kelly narrative from here on out was going to be immune to criticism anyway. If he failed in the next few years, it would be because he had no scholarships to work with (which would be true, but he had also failed up until this point, even considering the unique constraints of Georgetown football). If he left/was fired, and the next coach failed, his supporters (such as the random usernames that have popped up here for a few "hit and run" posts supporting him over the past few months) would say that the next guy was doing just as bad or worse than Kelly. This is a GREAT opportunity for Georgetown football at a crucial point in the program's history. Bring in a guy like Eli Drinkwitz (if we have the cash to do it) and let him do his thing.
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Post by alumni47 on Jan 30, 2014 15:17:59 GMT -5
PDOGG----I agree with alot of what you say and have said in the past. I believe there has always a problem with recruiting. If your parents have Money you too can play Division 1 Football. I believe the coaches put together a legit list of players and somewhere in that process it gets twisted ( with money/ Private schools / "who your daddy is", etc) And that I do blame on the Head Coach....
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Post by puppydog100 on Jan 31, 2014 9:50:01 GMT -5
My best wishes to Coach Kelly for his future success.
Kevin's leaving is not a surprise, as previously posted, I am surprised he stayed this long. He was dealt a bad hand by GU from day one. The search process for a new head coach, this late in the game, is going to be very, very difficult. Without a commitment from the administration and AD to build and fund the program, why would anyone want the job.
It's Sgarlata's job, if he wants it, by default.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 31, 2014 17:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by thebin on Feb 4, 2014 10:46:00 GMT -5
Good to know that in the official job listing we have made it clear we would prefer a football coach with a Masters. That's super important. And realistic.
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Post by hoya4ever on Feb 4, 2014 19:59:45 GMT -5
I think many of them get that as graduate assistants and many of them have it in education. I mean, I couldn't care less, but it's not as rare as people think.
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Post by alumni47 on Feb 7, 2014 7:14:07 GMT -5
When did Kelly know he was leaving ? Its a shame he knew during the official recruiting process. How much effort was really put in to this class(2014). Going after recruits we had no chance in getting. A lesson in Human Nature--- No one wants a team be successful after they leave. Everyone feels it, no one will say it. I guess it would be best to get an outsider to come in as a Head Coach with no official ties to GTOWN. Someone who has a pair !!!!!!
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Post by hoyahopeful on Feb 7, 2014 17:34:46 GMT -5
I have always felt that Coach Kelly was a perfect example of the Peter Principal. When he got the Georgetown job he had finally after 20+ years secured a position that was beyond his skill set. He knew football, but he did not have the executive skills, sales skills, motivation skills or charisma to be the CEO of a college football program. He was simply over his head from day #1 (and yes, I knew him from day #1). His new job is probably perfect for him - he does not have to be the "main man"...he's not good in that role. He will not have to worry about having the final authority or responsibility.
I have maintained for years that Georgetown should seek a young, energetic coach who has not yet earned enough credit to get a big job in a bigger program. He would be someone who would have the energy to get past all of the obstacles at Georgetown and sell two things: the school and himself. Sure, if he succeeds, Georgetown loses him in a couple of years. But by then he will have groomed some top assistants and he would have begun to greatly improve the reputation of the program such that they could attract a quality replacement.
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Post by puppydog100 on Feb 7, 2014 20:24:54 GMT -5
Hoyahopeful, the Georgetown football model is designed to fail. No head coach will be successful without the resources to field a competitive team.
There is limited monetary support from the university; and no significant alumni support or organization. I cannot imagine anyone taking this job thinking it's a stepping stone to something bigger and better.
"Having the energy to get past all the obstacles at Georgetown." What does that mean, going toe to toe with the administration and AD? Are we looking for a head football coach or someone who is an expert in crisis management?
In the past two months there has been no positive news from the football program. The only news to report has been a player transfer, and assistant leaving for greener pastures, the resignation of the head coach, and a new recruit deciding to go elsewhere.
What we need is leadership and direction, and that comes from the university and the AD. The silence is deafening.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 9, 2014 0:21:11 GMT -5
Hoyahopeful, the Georgetown football model is designed to fail. No head coach will be successful without the resources to field a competitive team. There is limited monetary support from the university; and no significant alumni support or organization. I cannot imagine anyone taking this job thinking it's a stepping stone to something bigger and better. Coach Patenaude was able to do that.
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Post by puppydog100 on Feb 9, 2014 16:44:19 GMT -5
Problem With Dog, Patenaude was previously affiliated with a program that closed up shop, Hofstra. You are making an assumption that if he was offered the GU job he would have accepted it.
Patenaude took the OC job at Georgetown because he was available. He lasted one season, then went off to greener pastures.
I doubt he would have accepted the GU job after his one year experience with the Hoyas, and with the full knowledge of GU's lack of support for the program. He was already down that road.
Let's see whether the AD picks up the phone and calls Petenaude and asks him to come in for a chat. My guess, he would say thanks, but no thanks.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 9, 2014 23:00:43 GMT -5
Problem With Dog, Patenaude was previously affiliated with a program that closed up shop, Hofstra. You are making an assumption that if he was offered the GU job he would have accepted it. Patenaude took the OC job at Georgetown because he was available. He lasted one season, then went off to greener pastures. I doubt he would have accepted the GU job after his one year experience with the Hoyas, and with the full knowledge of GU's lack of support for the program. He was already down that road. Let's see whether the AD picks up the phone and calls Petenaude and asks him to come in for a chat. My guess, he would say thanks, but no thanks. Still, he was able to turn Georgetown into a better job. He also showed you could succeed with the talent we had. Kelly demonstrated you could take most of that same talent and run it into the ground.
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Post by puppydog100 on Feb 11, 2014 9:34:24 GMT -5
Patenaude already has had two experiences with football programs that were discontinued, Hofstra, and as Head Coach at the University of New Haven. After two successful seasons, the New Haven program was discontinued. I doubt he would consider signing on with another program on life support.
Problem with Dog, you state that the OC at Coastal Carolina is a better job than head coach at Georgetown, that's a sad commentary on the GU head coaching position.
My guess, the next Head Coach at Georgetown will be Rob Sgarlata. He knows the program, understands the limitations, and will be a good caretaker without making waves or demands on the administration. The perfect candidate.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 11, 2014 21:20:19 GMT -5
Patenaude already has had two experiences with football programs that were discontinued, Hofstra, and as Head Coach at the University of New Haven. After two successful seasons, the New Haven program was discontinued. I doubt he would consider signing on with another program on life support. Problem with Dog, you state that the OC at Coastal Carolina is a better job than head coach at Georgetown, that's a sad commentary on the GU head coaching position. My guess, the next Head Coach at Georgetown will be Rob Sgarlata. He knows the program, understands the limitations, and will be a good caretaker without making waves or demands on the administration. The perfect candidate. I did not say that at all. I said that he used Georgetown to move up. I also didn't suggest we hire him as the head man. Sgarlata would be almost as bad of a choice as Kelly was. Besides being a Georgetown alum, he has done nothing as a coach to demonstrate that he's particularly good.
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Post by deacon on Feb 12, 2014 15:05:17 GMT -5
Does anyone know of a timetable to hire a new coach?
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