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Post by hoyafan23 on Feb 28, 2014 1:20:12 GMT -5
CENTER
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 28, 2014 1:26:17 GMT -5
Ditto...we need a big in the worst possible way. And not another project, a serviceable back to the basket big.
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Post by birdman on Feb 28, 2014 12:03:31 GMT -5
Ditto...we need a big in the worst possible way. And not another project, a serviceable back to the basket big. Of. The. Rose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 12:15:30 GMT -5
PG….
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 28, 2014 12:26:07 GMT -5
\It is a need - but behind the need for a big. Still have good hopes for Hayes, but no way to know how much he gives us next year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 12:38:19 GMT -5
\It is a need - but behind the need for a big. Still have good hopes for Hayes, but no way to know how much he gives us next year. Hopkins, Hayes, Copeland, White, Moses, Smith. That’s a lot of players 6’9 and above. Looking at the conference moving forward there’s not a lot of good centers in this league you have to worry about. Only one I see is the Xavier kid, and maybe Ochefu if he develops an offensive game. DSR running the point trying to score 20 and facilitate for others is not an ideal situation and were very thin at the Guard spot. If DSR struggles next year running the point who do you turn 2?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 28, 2014 12:57:43 GMT -5
\It is a need - but behind the need for a big. Still have good hopes for Hayes, but no way to know how much he gives us next year. Hopkins, Hayes, Copeland, White, Moses, Smith. That’s a lot of players 6’9 and above. Looking at the conference moving forward there’s not a lot of good centers in this league you have to worry about. Only one I see is the Xavier kid, and maybe Ochefu if he develops an offensive game. DSR running the point trying to score 20 and facilitate for others is not an ideal situation and were very thin at the Guard spot. If DSR struggles next year running the point who do you turn 2? Campbell? A DSR/Trawick combo? Moses should not be back next year, I think last night clinched it. We certainly cannot count on Smith, Hopkins has been a cipher for 2 years, and even though Bradley contributed last night, there are no certainties as to what he will give us. As for Copeland and White, they are not 5's, plus who knows for certain how much they give us down low? We have big bodies, but as we have seen this year, you have to have some actual talent down low to succeed. We have 2 outstanding guards, but we are facing a Wednesday BET game.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 28, 2014 12:58:54 GMT -5
Tre Campbell. That’s who we turn to. Look, next season DSR, Tre, Jabril and Paul White will be able to bring up the ball if push comes to shove.
As for the so-called serviceable big man with a post game, that type ain’t easy to find. Especially this late in the season. Should we gamble and potentially waste a scholarship on some dude who may not see playing time at all next season until he figures out III’s system?
If Josh Smith is returning just make sure he graduates during this coming summer so there won’t be nearly as much of a threat of him being an academic casualty during the regular season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 13:08:36 GMT -5
Hopkins, Hayes, Copeland, White, Moses, Smith. That’s a lot of players 6’9 and above. Looking at the conference moving forward there’s not a lot of good centers in this league you have to worry about. Only one I see is the Xavier kid, and maybe Ochefu if he develops an offensive game. DSR running the point trying to score 20 and facilitate for others is not an ideal situation and were very thin at the Guard spot. If DSR struggles next year running the point who do you turn 2? Campbell? A DSR/Trawick combo? Moses should not be back next year, I think last night clinched it. We certainly cannot count on Smith, Hopkins has been a cipher for 2 years, and even though Bradley contributed last night, there are no certainties as to what he will give us. As for Copeland and White, they are not 5's, plus who knows for certain how much they give us down low? We have big bodies, but as we have seen this year, you have to have some actual talent down low to succeed. We have 2 outstanding guards, but we are facing a Wednesday BET game. DSR Trawick aren’t PG’s it cuts both ways… Doesn’t matter who you have down low if you can’t get them the ball and I don’t think it’s the best thing to have our best scorer trying to break presses and facilitate for others while playing a relatively new position for himself. If DSR struggles or get’s into foul trouble where do you go?
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 28, 2014 13:27:48 GMT -5
\It is a need - but behind the need for a big. Still have good hopes for Hayes, but no way to know how much he gives us next year. Hopkins, Hayes, Copeland, White, Moses, Smith. That’s a lot of players 6’9 and above. Dog, cat, mouse, table...that's a lot of things with four legs. Any Kentucky Derby winners? The only centers on that list are Smith and Hayes. One is fat in ineligible and the other is still a project. We need someone who can score with his back to the basket consistently and guard the post against the biggest players in the league. That's a center. 6'9 or taller is the JTIII definition of a center apparently but that doesn't make it true.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 13:35:04 GMT -5
Hopkins, Hayes, Copeland, White, Moses, Smith. That’s a lot of players 6’9 and above. Dog, cat, mouse, table...that's a lot of things with four legs. Any Kentucky Derby winners? The only centers on that list are Smith and Hayes. One is fat in ineligible and the other is still a project. We need someone who can score with his back to the basket consistently and guard the post against the biggest players in the league. That's a center. 6'9 or taller is the JTIII definition of a center apparently but that doesn't make it true. Who are the Centers in our league next year who you’re afraid of? We may or may not have a good center but neither does 85% of the league. Josh even at current state is better than 80-90% of the centers in this league. If Dsr struggles, gets into foul trouble or injury where do you turn?
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 28, 2014 13:42:47 GMT -5
Dog, cat, mouse, table...that's a lot of things with four legs. Any Kentucky Derby winners? The only centers on that list are Smith and Hayes. One is fat in ineligible and the other is still a project. We need someone who can score with his back to the basket consistently and guard the post against the biggest players in the league. That's a center. 6'9 or taller is the JTIII definition of a center apparently but that doesn't make it true. Who are the Centers in our league next year who you’re afraid of? We may or may not have a good center but neither does 85% of the league. Josh even at current state is better than 80-90% of the centers in this league. If Dsr struggles, gets into foul trouble or injury where do you turn? The alternatives to DSR that people have listed are all better at playing PG than our various "centers" are at playing center. And while we can be really good next year, I just want a big that can be a good player by his sophomore year when we will more than likely have our best shot at a national title since 2007 if we have a real center to complement the rest of our roster. Also, a center is absolutely necessary to win against elite teams like UK/Kansas/Duke/etc and to win in the tournament. I don't really care if the rest of the Big East has one or not--we need a center to be a contender for a final four / national title.
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 28, 2014 14:01:32 GMT -5
Who are the Centers in our league next year who you’re afraid of? We may or may not have a good center but neither does 85% of the league. Josh even at current state is better than 80-90% of the centers in this league. If Dsr struggles, gets into foul trouble or injury where do you turn? The alternatives to DSR that people have listed are all better at playing PG than our various "centers" are at playing center. And while we can be really good next year, I just want a big that can be a good player by his sophomore year when we will more than likely have our best shot at a national title since 2007 if we have a real center to complement the rest of our roster. Also, a center is absolutely necessary to win against elite teams like UK/Kansas/Duke/etc and to win in the tournament. I don't really care if the rest of the Big East has one or not--we need a center to be a contender for a final four / national title. Honestly, even a guy like the Xavier stiff Stainbrook would be of benefit to this team. A big body, he can shoot the jump hook over either shoulder with consistancy, he's not going to wow you with any type of athleticism, but he has solid fundamentals and can score in the paint, probably to the tune of 10-12 points a night.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 14:07:49 GMT -5
The alternatives to DSR that people have listed are all better at playing PG than our various "centers" are at playing center. And while we can be really good next year, I just want a big that can be a good player by his sophomore year when we will more than likely have our best shot at a national title since 2007 if we have a real center to complement the rest of our roster. Also, a center is absolutely necessary to win against elite teams like UK/Kansas/Duke/etc and to win in the tournament. I don't really care if the rest of the Big East has one or not--we need a center to be a contender for a final four / national title. Honestly, even a guy like the Xavier stiff Stainbrook would be of benefit to this team. A big body, he can shoot the jump hook over either shoulder with consistancy, he's not going to wow you with any type of athleticism, but he has solid fundamentals and can score in the paint, probably to the tune of 10-12 points a night. The sad part is that Nate can make that over the shoulder hook shot with some regularity with either hand. But he either refuses to shoot it or the coaches dont emphasize going to him for an isolation in the post....
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Post by IDenj on Feb 28, 2014 14:17:28 GMT -5
You mean centre. Get it right...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 14:42:32 GMT -5
Who are the Centers in our league next year who you’re afraid of? We may or may not have a good center but neither does 85% of the league. Josh even at current state is better than 80-90% of the centers in this league. If Dsr struggles, gets into foul trouble or injury where do you turn? The alternatives to DSR that people have listed are all better at playing PG than our various "centers" are at playing center. And while we can be really good next year, I just want a big that can be a good player by his sophomore year when we will more than likely have our best shot at a national title since 2007 if we have a real center to complement the rest of our roster. Also, a center is absolutely necessary to win against elite teams like UK/Kansas/Duke/etc and to win in the tournament. I don't really care if the rest of the Big East has one or not--we need a center to be a contender for a final four / national title. What are those alternatives to DSR at point? IMO easier to play without a Center than without a PG, especially in College. I think you need both to contend for a final four in most occasions, but there have definitely been quite a few teams to reach FF without a solid center and every year. I think you absolutely need quality guard play though We’re talking about next year correct?
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 28, 2014 14:52:46 GMT -5
The alternatives to DSR that people have listed are all better at playing PG than our various "centers" are at playing center. And while we can be really good next year, I just want a big that can be a good player by his sophomore year when we will more than likely have our best shot at a national title since 2007 if we have a real center to complement the rest of our roster. Also, a center is absolutely necessary to win against elite teams like UK/Kansas/Duke/etc and to win in the tournament. I don't really care if the rest of the Big East has one or not--we need a center to be a contender for a final four / national title. What are those alternatives to DSR at point? IMO easier to play without a Center than without a PG, especially in College. I think you need both to contend for a final four in most occasions, but there have definitely been quite a few teams to reach FF without a solid center and every year. I think you absolutely need quality guard play though We’re talking about next year correct? Jabril and Tre are alternatives as PGs next year (and are going to do a better job playing PG next year than the current crew of centers is going to do playing center next year), and we can break the press with a team approach using Peak/White/Copeland, similar to what we did with Otto and w/ Monroe. Not to mention that we don't have to run our offense through our PG--we can run it through a wing like we did with Otto (and technically through a big, but hey, let's not do that next year). And the reason a big is the most important add for next year is that bigs (1) tend to develop more slowly; and (2) are more likely to get in foul trouble (especially the group of bigs, including Smith, that we currently have). Consequently, if we only had one schollie, I'd rather see it used on a big next year than a PG, especially b/c it means we'll have a sophomore center in 2015 rather than a freshman for the year we are most likely going to be in the best position to make a run at a national title (I mean, if we get Ivan Rabb in 2015, sure, we don't need a center as much in 2014, but is that something we want to count on?). Hayes is our only big guy on the roster in 2015, and that's the kind of hole that prevents a roster that's stacked at every other position from being a great team.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 28, 2014 14:55:59 GMT -5
What are those alternatives to DSR at point? IMO easier to play without a Center than without a PG, especially in College. I think you need both to contend for a final four in most occasions, but there have definitely been quite a few teams to reach FF without a solid center and every year. I think you absolutely need quality guard play though We’re talking about next year correct? Jabril and Tre are alternatives as PGs next year (and are going to do a better job playing PG next year than the current crew of centers is going to do playing center next year), and we can break the press with a team approach using Peak/White/Copeland, similar to what we did with Otto and w/ Monroe. Not to mention that we don't have to run our offense through our PG--we can run it through a wing like we did with Otto (and technically through a big, but hey, let's not do that next year). And the reason a big is the most important add for next year is that bigs (1) tend to develop more slowly; and (2) are more likely to get in foul trouble (especially the group of bigs, including Smith, that we currently have). Consequently, if we only had one schollie, I'd rather see it used on a big next year than a PG, especially b/c it means we'll have a sophomore center in 2015 rather than a freshman for the year we are most likely going to be in the best position to make a run at a national title (I mean, if we get Ivan Rabb in 2015, sure, we don't need a center as much in 2014, but is that something we want to count on?). Hayes is our only big guy on the roster in 2015, and that's the kind of hole that prevents a roster that's stacked at every other position from being a great team. Of course, I'd rather have a JaQuan Newton (I think that's his name) caliber of guard than a true project center like a Hayes or Bolden
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Post by vv83 on Feb 28, 2014 15:28:10 GMT -5
For next year - the odds of us adding a PG that is better than Tre Campbell at this point in the recruiting cycle are pretty slim. While the crop of available centers for next year is probably pretty slim too - If the idea is to add another recruit for next year who can help immediately, a center still seems to be clearly a greater need given the other centers we will have to choose from on the current roster.
It is quite possible that by the time we get to february next year, a lot of the halfcourt offense will be running through Paul White at the high post. If you have not watched him yet, there are a couple of full games on-line, they are worth checking out. He is a very good passer, with a particular emphasis on making really quick, often aggressive decisions when he gets the ball. He shoots the foul line jumper very well, and at a long 6'9 he feeds the post over the defender extremely effectively. He can also put the ball on the floor and hit a mid lane floater from the high post. Once white gets comfortable with the speed/physicality of the college game (which may take some time), he is going to be a very good fit for our half court offense. In many ways, White may be the best fit for JTIII's offensive vision of anyone who has suited up for him at Georgetown. He really does remind you of Kyle Anderson - except he is taller, a bit more athletic, a better shooter (than a freshman Anderson - Kyle has shot real well this year), moves his feet on defense a bit better. Not as gifted a passer, but still very good; not as strong as sophomore anderson, not as good a rebounder. Remember how excited everyone was for Anderson as a potential hoya? We just may be getting a very similar talent in White.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 15:31:09 GMT -5
What are those alternatives to DSR at point? IMO easier to play without a Center than without a PG, especially in College. I think you need both to contend for a final four in most occasions, but there have definitely been quite a few teams to reach FF without a solid center and every year. I think you absolutely need quality guard play though We’re talking about next year correct? Jabril and Tre are alternatives as PGs next year (and are going to do a better job playing PG next year than the current crew of centers is going to do playing center next year), and we can break the press with a team approach using Peak/White/Copeland, similar to what we did with Otto and w/ Monroe. Not to mention that we don't have to run our offense through our PG--we can run it through a wing like we did with Otto (and technically through a big, but hey, let's not do that next year). And the reason a big is the most important add for next year is that bigs (1) tend to develop more slowly; and (2) are more likely to get in foul trouble (especially the group of bigs, including Smith, that we currently have). Consequently, if we only had one schollie, I'd rather see it used on a big next year than a PG, especially b/c it means we'll have a sophomore center in 2015 rather than a freshman for the year we are most likely going to be in the best position to make a run at a national title (I mean, if we get Ivan Rabb in 2015, sure, we don't need a center as much in 2014, but is that something we want to count on?). Hayes is our only big guy on the roster in 2015, and that's the kind of hole that prevents a roster that's stacked at every other position from being a great team. Those are shaky alternatives at best and even if you think those guys can do it, who are these facilitators on the wing that you can run offense through? If I’m 3 I’m trying to figure out how to get DSR to the 2 where I can have him finishing plays. Heck If things stay as is if I’m 3 I might even look at playing Paul at the 1 just because he can see over the top has a good handle and will have a bigger guy on him. Imo when you pressure Brill especially with smaller quick guards he’s coughing it up. Tre is 6’1 160 maybe and freshman usually don’t contribute first year much. Regarding the last part, that’s why I asked the question. I’m talking specifically about next years team. If your talking about this recruiting class than I totally agree. Would be nice, but not many options at all to do that. Mourning or DelaRosa unless by transfer or reclass maybe
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