SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 12, 2013 16:34:07 GMT -5
We have what is looking to be a pretty great class coming together for 2014. Copeland and Peak seem to be performing very well right now, and Campbell seems to be a real PG on a roster that's about to not have one (when Markel graduates at the end of the year).
Next year's team has an additional 0-3 open scholarships, even before transfers. Why the mystery?
* Moses Ayegba could possibly petition for another year. * Aaron Bowen is RS junior this year but possibly an academic senior. * Josh Smith may declare for the NBA.
Counting those 3, there may be up to six more openings available for 2015 (or five, if Whitt redshirts).
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So what do we have in 2014-2015.
Bigs: Hopkins (Sr), Smith (Sr)*, Ayegba (RS Sr)* Hayes (Jr)
Bigger Wings: Whit (Jr/Sr), Domingo (Jr), Cameron (So), Copeland (Fr)
Smaller Wings: Bowen (Sr)*, Trawick (Sr), Peak (Fr)
Combos: DSR (Jr)
Points: Campbell (Fr)
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NEEDS:
1) At least one big in 2014 and at least another in 2015. By the 2015-2016 season, only Hayes is here. But even by '14-15, we could be down to Hopkins and Hayes. Given the seemingly higher bust rate of big men -- or at least time to develop, the more the better.
After that, aren't you planning for 2015-2016? Even without Bowen, a guard rotation of DSR & Trawick with Peak and Campbell and Whitt* and others sliding over seems pretty solid. The three is incredibly well covered, and we've talked about the bigs.
2) So then a combo guard, right? DSR is a jr, and that leaves only Campbell to handle unless Peak can swing over.
3) We're on a lot of threes. We don't need more, but I'm also not sure it's a mistake. Some of these threes can swing to two; some may end up playing the four. Also, Copeland may not be long for the NCAA, he, then Peak seem like our current guys most likely to be able to jump.
So in the end, it's Bigs, Bigs, Bigs and a combo.
But I really don't want to see us waste another series of strong perimeter play with a weak or incomplete interior rotation. It's not strange that our best NCAA runs came with 4 NBA players on the frontline.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 12, 2013 18:40:14 GMT -5
Might be the year with more roster questions that JT3 has faced. Big + most talented player who wants to come + second most talented. But, the boring answer is TTS.
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 12, 2013 21:06:19 GMT -5
The only real NEED is a big guy (or 2), since Smith and Ayegba will be gone in 2015 at the latest and Hayes is still pretty much a complete unknown. I think III is going to play Trawick and Smith-Rivera both at point guard as needed, along with Campbell. I think they're definitely prioritizing a versatile forward ahead of another ballhandler at the moment (guys like Bentil, White and Cheatham ahead of a guy like Booth).
Overall we have decent roster balance on paper. I think for 2014 they're going to finish out with a big guy and a forward to pair with Copeland. For 2015 they're just going to try to form connections with talented players for the moment and reassess needs as this season unfolds.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 13, 2013 9:10:35 GMT -5
So who would people want? Given we have from 0-3 scholarships in 2014:
Bigs - Bentil Chukwu Lattin Elbert Robinson Turner
Big Wings - Cheatham Kasongo Looney Devin Robinson White
Small Wings - Bluett Oubre
Combos & Points - Booth Newton
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 10:52:18 GMT -5
So who would people want? Given we have from 0-3 scholarships in 2014: Bigs - Bentil Chukwu Lattin Elbert Robinson Turner Big Wings - Cheatham Kasongo Looney Devin Robinson White Small Wings - Bluett Oubre Combos & Points - Booth Newton 1)Turner 2)Robinson 3)Bentil 1) White 2) Robinson 3) Looney (He’s a tease and NYP doesn’t like a tease) 1) Oubre 2) Blueitt (Went for 40 in a game yesterday btw) 1) Newton (Not recruiting him anymore so not going to happen)
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Post by hoyadestroya87 on Jul 13, 2013 10:55:53 GMT -5
We'll sign none of these kids but: 1. Newton (pg), 2. Oubre, 3. Turner.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 13, 2013 11:22:57 GMT -5
Clearly over the next 2 classes we don't have a big need for wings big or small. Today we only have one spot open for next years class but we seem to be recruiting as if we have 2 open and yet we continue strong after wings like Paul White and i guess D Robinson. The need going forward should be for a 5 a 4 out of this class assuming a transfer and another pg and combo in 2015. frankly I'm a little concerned going into next year with a freshman point and our current 2 guards who will need to really tighten up their handle over what they have shown.
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 13, 2013 11:55:30 GMT -5
At the moment I like White the most. Think he'd be a very natural fit at the 4 spot for us. However if we goes to Zona I'd be very happy with Bentil who I think would also be a quality 4. And I like Cheatham's versatility a lot too, I think a Cheatham/Copeland pair at the forward spots would be extremely dynamic and versatile.
I feel more concerned about E. Robinson's weight than the rest of our fanbase seems to be. Lot of potential, but does he want to be great? Very questionable. I like Lattin as an athletic 4/5, but I could see him struggling with the ball in his hands at the high post. Turner would be ideal but figures to be very difficult to land.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 13, 2013 13:21:02 GMT -5
At the moment I like White the most. Think he'd be a very natural fit at the 4 spot for us. However if we goes to Zona I'd be very happy with Bentil who I think would also be a quality 4. And I like Cheatham's versatility a lot too, I think a Cheatham/Copeland pair at the forward spots would be extremely dynamic and versatile. I feel more concerned about E. Robinson's weight than the rest of our fanbase seems to be. Lot of potential, but does he want to be great? Very questionable. I like Lattin as an athletic 4/5, but I could see him struggling with the ball in his hands at the high post. Turner would be ideal but figures to be very difficult to land. I agree on Paul White RB, I really like his 3/4 skill set. I've liked Bentil a lot for awhile now and think he'd be a nice 4/5 for the team. Add either one of them to Coplenad and a healthy GW in 2014 and the staff will be off & running.. literally!! I'm with you on Elbert also.. The youngster is talented but I don't think he fits the system that well, I'd rather see a 5 who can consistently shoot it from 15-18ft (Btw why isn't the staff trying to get in on the Zimmerman kid?) as opposed to Elbert who's clearly more suited for play on the block and at a slower pace... I posted in his thread that his weight should be of concern especially given the fact he reportedly weighed 270-280 this spring, down from 340.. Either his people fudged the #'s or he's gained 40-50 lbs over the last 10 weeks which is out of control imo.. I wasn't a big Lattin fan but he's grown on me and has improved his face up game a lot the past 6 months or so.. Not sure of his ball skills though.. scroll to 3:32 to see Lattin I say take all the versatile/skilled 6'-7" and up players you can get and worry about pulling the "true" center later.. JT3 had immediate success here starting a 6'-9" sf/pf in Jeff Green at the 5 spot until Roy improved enough to take over. Those teams had Bowman at the 4 and DJ at the 3 a lot too and it worked because those players had skills offensively.. The current crop of bigs/wings on the team do not unfortunately, that has to change..
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Post by idhoya on Jul 13, 2013 17:37:26 GMT -5
so etomic want's the '89 Flyin Illini squad that made the FF. Not bad.
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Post by hoyafan23 on Jul 17, 2013 21:47:38 GMT -5
i think we realistically are down to these recruits: kelly oubre (kansas favorite but heading to Findley Prep so we will see, plus i like him so maybe im a little biased), elbert Robinson, Ben Bentil, khadeem lattin, and paul white.
DRobinson seems like a UConn lean, KLooney not looking good for us, Myles Turner will be tough with all that competition, Robert Johnson got involved late, and idk if we will have space for phil booth (playing time wise)
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 18, 2013 19:48:50 GMT -5
Cheatham still in the mix, also. And Rashad Vaughn?
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 19, 2013 8:28:02 GMT -5
i think we realistically are down to these recruits: kelly oubre (kansas favorite but heading to Findley Prep so we will see, plus i like him so maybe im a little biased), elbert Robinson, Ben Bentil, khadeem lattin, and paul white. DRobinson seems like a UConn lean, KLooney not looking good for us, Myles Turner will be tough with all that competition, Robert Johnson got involved late, and idk if we will have space for phil booth (playing time wise) If the staff can pull White or Bentil along with Booth then the '14 class will be a monster..
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 16, 2013 10:13:10 GMT -5
So, I didn't want to clutter Elbert's thread with this question, but is there a back up plan at center for 2014 if Robinson decides to go to another school? Or does plan B boil down to "try to jump on any 2014 center still available in the spring / wait for 2015"?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 16, 2013 11:52:10 GMT -5
The center situation for 2014-2015 and beyond is in much flux. The only certainties we know are that for 2014-2015 we would have (barring transfers): Hopkins and Hayes. Hopefully, both will have improved by then, but ultimately, you'd hope we would have more depth. Only Hayes would be around after 2015.
The 2014-2015 situation is in much flux, because we don't know if Moses will petition for another year (since he didn't play his sophomore year, he should easily be able to get one), and we don't know what Josh Smith's status will be.
Whether we land Elbert Robinson impacts the equation. If he does come to Georgetown, then I think the need for Moses/Josh to be around diminishes, though I'd take another year of Josh Smith any day. If we don't get Robinson (or someone equivalent), then I think the desire to have Moses stick around another year would be greater.
If we cannot get a freshman in the class of 2014 or 2015 who will be ready to contribute immediately, we are going to be lacking in depth at center, unless both Hopkins and Hayes improve substantially.
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Post by idhoya on Sept 16, 2013 14:55:56 GMT -5
Too much time has been wasted in the past on hoping kids improve; as you csn see by this top 5 class and new hires. Robinson is obviously priori #1 and he knows it. In theory we could still try and snag bentil to play the 5, but that's not preferred. Center and point guard are essential, while shooters like Malik Newman grew up a fan and is the best scorer in the class. I would stockpile regardless of position.
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Post by royski on Sept 16, 2013 15:41:36 GMT -5
Scholarship table suggests we're all full for 2014. Is this a "it'll work itself out" kinda thing?
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 16, 2013 15:46:06 GMT -5
Scholarship table suggests we're all full for 2014. Is this a "it'll work itself out" kinda thing? Yup. Bowen and Moses both have a 5th year of eligibility available, but presumably they are on course to graduate and may choose not to use it at Georgetown (student-athletes can transfer without sitting out a year if they have graduated but still have eligibility left, if their current school doesn't offer the graduate program they want) or they may not play a 5th year. Also, Josh Smith may not have / use another year of eligibility.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 16, 2013 16:10:12 GMT -5
So, I didn't want to clutter Elbert's thread with this question, but is there a back up plan at center for 2014 if Robinson decides to go to another school? Or does plan B boil down to "try to jump on any 2014 center still available in the spring / wait for 2015"? Per Hoya Report we are trying to get involved with Tim Welsh who is also 7'0 and listed one spot below Elbert in the rankings. We're getting in late, but perhaps we could still snag him. Also recruiting 6'10 Chinanu Onuaku #65 in the rankings but not sure there's mutual interest there. Might have to wait to spring to see if anyone else becomes available via decommitment or transfer that's eligible immediately.
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 16, 2013 16:24:37 GMT -5
So, I didn't want to clutter Elbert's thread with this question, but is there a back up plan at center for 2014 if Robinson decides to go to another school? Or does plan B boil down to "try to jump on any 2014 center still available in the spring / wait for 2015"? Per Hoya Report we are trying to get involved with Tim Welsh who is also 7'0 and listed one spot below Elbert in the rankings. We're getting in late, but perhaps we could still snag him. Also recruiting 6'10 Chinanu Onuaku #65 in the rankings but not sure there's mutual interest there. Might have to wait to spring to see if anyone else becomes available via decommitment or transfer that's eligible immediately. I assume you mean Tom Walsh? Doesn't look like he gets anywhere near as much love from ESPN / 247 as he does from Rivals--he's not in either of their top 100s. sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Thomas-Welsh-145146;_ylt=AuRiBFCmfuph7_HCZgCr1sdGPZB4?colleges=show#college_choices
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