EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 12, 2013 21:00:42 GMT -5
My only con is that he has to up his effort level.. Appears way too passive right now. But his skill level and IQ are very high.. I'll be shocked if he's not getting consistent pt next season.. He had 17, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 blocks tonight. He's one of those guys who doesn't look that involved until you see the stat sheet at the end of the game. I hear you there Daytona, I can't say it enough how impressed I was by the performance he just put on.. But as MCI pointed out there were times he either walked or barely jogged up the court. I just wanted him to take control on offense more especially considering how bad those guards were.. Look forward to seeing him next season that's for sure..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 21:06:42 GMT -5
My only con is that he has to up his effort level.. Appears way too passive right now. But his skill level and IQ are very high.. I'll be shocked if he's not getting consistent pt next season.. He had 17, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 blocks tonight. He's one of those guys who doesn't look that involved until you see the stat sheet at the end of the game. I disagree Daytona there were too many times he was the last guy up the floor. Some of that stuff just screamed lazy/lack of motor. Those are solid numbers but they could have/should have been better IMO
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Post by idhoya on Dec 12, 2013 21:24:01 GMT -5
Y'all hard man. Lol
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Post by idhoya on Dec 12, 2013 21:51:47 GMT -5
Derrickson had 17 and 10 vs. St.Johns
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Post by deacon on Dec 12, 2013 22:40:15 GMT -5
He had 17, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 blocks tonight. He's one of those guys who doesn't look that involved until you see the stat sheet at the end of the game. I disagree Daytona there were too many times he was the last guy up the floor. Some of that stuff just screamed lazy/lack of motor. Those are solid numbers but they could have/should have been better IMO I hear what you're saying, but this was also a departure from how most high school teams play in that there were two 18 minute half's instead of four eight-minute quarters and he played the entire 36 minutes. It's entirely possible his coach told the starting five prior to the game he expected them to possibly have to go the entire 36 minutes and instead of running full sprint the entire game, he picked his spots and was able to finish the game strong. Not trying to excuse what many are perceiving as a lack of effort, but this wasn't your ordinary game setting and I wouldn't look too much into it, at least not yet.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 13, 2013 0:05:28 GMT -5
Love what I saw tonight and think Daytona hit the nail on the head when he described his game as mature. His mid-range game was beautiful to watch and he presented a great target when attacking the center of the zone....something we sorely miss this year. With as good as White is, LJP and IC are likely to make greater contributions next year. Love this class.
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Post by homeonthehilltop on Dec 13, 2013 2:18:56 GMT -5
I don't watch high school basketball to comment much but I really liked his IQ, passing, length and jumper. However, I was disappointed by his hustle and aggressiveness. Too often he was the last player to cross mid court and he didn't seem to want to box out or get any 50/50 balls.
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Post by bowhoya on Dec 13, 2013 8:49:10 GMT -5
Relax, while Paul White many not be perfect at this time, he appears to have most of the things you would hope for in a top recruit. He has the talent, the length and the basketball IQ (beyond what you would expect from a 17 year old player). I see him only taking a secondary role to the top player in the country because he can and has been instructed to. He set up the big guy (Okafor) on numerous plays with easy buckets. He was always looking for him. And as for lack of effort, Okafor was not always running the court on both ends. He was lagging back, basket hanging, looking for those beautiful passes from White.
You can always coach up effort, but you cannot coach up talent, length and basketball IQ!
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Post by tullamore2 on Dec 13, 2013 8:52:52 GMT -5
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Post by Huntsville Hoya on Dec 13, 2013 11:12:39 GMT -5
He definitely had a "floor game" last night, which is what WY needed. The 3 guard lineup they ran out there was bad. They are 3 midget ball stoppers. They saw Coach K in the crowd and they were determined to get theirs last night. Paul White and Tyus Jones looked like the most mature of the players on the floor by far. They even mentioned how good they were last year when LJ Peak played on the team before he went back to SC. You can make a case for the hussle and motor but I chalk that up to playing the whole game (all 36 mins) and being in high school. He needed to conserve his energy, because without him that #1 rated center (Okafor) would have never gotten the rock.
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Post by thejerseytornado on Dec 13, 2013 11:36:17 GMT -5
Watched only the second half. His skills are great and I think he can be a real asset. My concern wasn't about him not running the court transitioning from defense to offense, but that he was the exploitable wing in their 2-3 zone. They played some weird matchup zone as well and it was bizarre and I can't fault anyone because I couldn't understand what the zone was (like a 1-3-1 matchup or something crazy) and it rarely worked. But he really never hustled on defense and never got low. The rest of the team also played all 36 minutes and he looked demonstrably less energetic than them. Okafor's got the extra pounds to explain his occasionally loafing (not an excuse, but a clear explanation for why he was sometimes less energetic), but White with more energy could be amazing. Until he shows that energy, he'll be a liability on defense from what i saw that game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 12:34:58 GMT -5
I disagree Daytona there were too many times he was the last guy up the floor. Some of that stuff just screamed lazy/lack of motor. Those are solid numbers but they could have/should have been better IMO I hear what you're saying, but this was also a departure from how most high school teams play in that there were two 18 minute half's instead of four eight-minute quarters and he played the entire 36 minutes. It's entirely possible his coach told the starting five prior to the game he expected them to possibly have to go the entire 36 minutes and instead of running full sprint the entire game, he picked his spots and was able to finish the game strong. Not trying to excuse what many are perceiving as a lack of effort, but this wasn't your ordinary game setting and I wouldn't look too much into it, at least not yet. That might be true but if that was the case why were the other kids on his team not doing it. I’m not really worried about because if he does that here, he wont play. I’m not down on him at all, I love the kids game, but that effort level needs to increase. It has been a knock on him for a while...
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Post by idhoya on Dec 13, 2013 15:21:22 GMT -5
Some of you guys are ridiculous. If the kid hadn't have scored, but ran up and down more; you'd have said he needed to score. Do ya'll remember Greg Monroe during one of his hs games? The biggest thing that was said, if I remember correctly, was his effort and the way he ran up and down plus he didn't look like a top player. Ease off White, his performance was impressive and smooth. The one thing that stood out to me was his need to gain about 15-20 lbs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 16:28:34 GMT -5
How does it make us ridiculous to point out an obvious flaw in his performance last night? I call it being honest. If big Jah can get up and down the floor so can Paul..
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 13, 2013 18:02:27 GMT -5
The criticisms are valid but I think everyone is very satisfied overall with what they see in Paul. Let me add that thinking it over today what really stands out to me is his ability to handle the ball. The Hoyas will really need assistance on that front next season.
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Post by CaliHoya on Dec 13, 2013 18:17:15 GMT -5
I watched the whole game and came away very impressed. There's good reason to believe that White will be a contributor as a freshman for no other reason than the fact he's already seemingly great at making quick, smart decisions with the ball. That, coupled with his mid-range jumpshot, makes him ideal for breaking the zone, which he did very well last night. Here's my take on his game:
Positives: 1) Great playmaking ability and decision-making - he did everything from dribble the length of the court and set up a basket to break the Apple Valley Zone. He was great driving the ball to the hoop as well. This will serve him extremely well at Georgetown and is probably the #1 thing you need to demonstrate to get playing time on our team. 2) Rebounding instincts - Paul seems to have a good knack for where rebounds are headed (an innate ability that players either have or they don't). That being said, he isn't maximizing use of those instincts just yet (see below). 3) Mid-range jumper - my goodness was his jumpshot silky smooth. Very quickly, I came to think it was automatic whenever he pulled up. He also has a quick, high release that will be tough to block. 4) Length - he's a legit 6-8 and long, which will translate well to the Georgetown defense. He's able to step out on shooters very easily.
Negatives: 1) Rebounding effort - I think he may be spoiled by having Okafor around and not needing to be dialed in on rebounding. He didn't really seem to box out or hustle to the rim. That being said, his instincts and height helped him still get quite a few boards despite the effort. He could have easily had 10+ boards if he wanted to, and if Okafor wasn't gobbling them up as well. 2) Long-range jumper - Perhaps he should just get an incomplete here, but he didn't shoot any 3s which led me to believe he's not comfortable with that distance yet. If he's playing at the center of zone on offense, he doesn't need to be a sniper yet. Still, getting better at distance will be important at Georgetown.
Overall, I'm very pleased with the player we're getting. He reminded me a lot of Otto, except without the rebounding effort and hustle that Otto always had. I think Paul will figure it out though and has a good shot to be a pro one day with some hard work.
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Post by CaliHoya on Dec 13, 2013 18:20:11 GMT -5
I wanted to type this separately - did anyone else watch Okafor and think - WOW, this is what Joshua Smith could be like if he was in shape and hustled? Like Okafor, Josh has great hands where he seems to get rebounds that he should even have a chance at. It's like his hands are sticky. In the post, I saw no difference in terms of what Josh and Okafor could do.
However, Okafor was great at running down rebounds and sprinting down the court for easy baskets on the break. These two things are qualities that I have yet to see from Josh. I really hope he continues to improve because he could absolutely have as much potential as Okafor when in shape.
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Post by idhoya on Dec 13, 2013 18:36:18 GMT -5
My point is not to be so hard on the kid. If he arrives on campus and busts his ass; your points will be invalid. Let's let him get here first.
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Post by CaliHoya on Dec 13, 2013 20:39:23 GMT -5
Not being hard - just analyzing one game for what it was (and mostly positively too!). Like I said, I think Paul will be putting forth max effort at Georgetown. I just don't think he has to everyday playing with Jahlil.
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Post by idhoya on Dec 13, 2013 22:25:15 GMT -5
I do agree that the team looks like it depends on Okafor alot.
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