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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 10, 2014 19:36:09 GMT -5
Hopefully it is an issue of not registering for a correct amount of classes. Or a confusion when crediting UCLA classes. Or an add drop issue. Either way, this time without Josh isn't all bad for the team. If he comes back, our back-up rotation will have stronger chemistry. If he doesn't, hopefully our defense will step it up.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Jan 10, 2014 21:00:31 GMT -5
Does anyone know if GU has an appeals process for grades? I know other schools do. Not inconceivable that such a process could take time, during which a student's status would be in limbo.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 10, 2014 21:28:06 GMT -5
Not registering for the correct number of classes is probably the best case scenario. If I'm not mistaken, this is still add/drop period so that shouldn't pose an issue. I can't think of any "academic" issue that is a quick fix to be honest. If it's a grade thing, aren't midterms the absolute earliest something like that could be improved?
As for the talk of Whit and the missing of exams, I'm sure people have missed exams (I didn't know a single person at Georgetown that did). It doesn't, however, make it any less serious or anyone else's fault. Additionally, without extenuating circumstances, why exactly would someone deserve a makeup exam or any sort of do-over? I realize that there is much more in the way of second chances and extra credit in the public schools now than there ever have been but that seems a bit of a stretch at a place like Georgetown. Whit missed an exam and that's on him. Other students in his class certainly made it to the test. He should have done the same. Since he didn't, he deserved to fail the class.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 10, 2014 21:29:07 GMT -5
Does anyone know if GU has an appeals process for grades? I know other schools do. Not inconceivable that such a process could take time, during which a student's status would be in limbo. I have no clue as to the actual answer to this question but I'd be a bit surprised if there wasn't some procedure in place for legitimately disputed grades. |
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Post by richfame on Jan 10, 2014 21:56:53 GMT -5
I have little hope he is coming back. Tonight you see a bit of what happens when three offensive weapons goes to two. It's disappointing when a second chance is squandered. The kid did not come here to be a rocket scientist. Im sure hes doing his best, lets cut him so slack. Let the kid play so he can earn a living at the next level.. |
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Post by prhoya on Jan 11, 2014 0:08:07 GMT -5
It's like a friendly HT lurker once said to me: if someone told you that you were going to win the lottery in two years if you lost 50 pounds and fulfilled your responsibilities as a student athlete, wouldn't you do it? Is a sure-thing lotto ticket motivation enough?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 11, 2014 1:41:41 GMT -5
It's like a friendly HT lurker once said to me: if someone told you that you were going to win the lottery in two years if you lost 50 pounds and fulfilled your responsibilities as a student athlete, wouldn't you do it? Is a sure-thing lotto ticket motivation enough? It should be but I think when you are dealing with kids their thought process is different. People like Smith get attention as athletes but for every Smith there are others out there who face similar challenges (working hard on academics, applying yourself to school work, working hard at a job, etc.), but don't face public scrutiny. I'm sure everybody here knows people in daily life who had some sort of talent or ability that they did not completely fulfill, especially at such a young age. It happens in all walks of life. |
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Post by biggmanu on Jan 11, 2014 10:46:54 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Jan 11, 2014 11:08:42 GMT -5
It's like a friendly HT lurker once said to me: if someone told you that you were going to win the lottery in two years if you lost 50 pounds and fulfilled your responsibilities as a student athlete, wouldn't you do it? Is a sure-thing lotto ticket motivation enough? It should be but I think when you are dealing with kids their thought process is different. People like Smith get attention as athletes but for every Smith there are others out there who face similar challenges (working hard on academics, applying yourself to school work, working hard at a job, etc.), but don't face public scrutiny. I'm sure everybody here knows people in daily life who had some sort of talent or ability that they did not completely fulfill, especially at such a young age. It happens in all walks of life. We're seeing one. Someone needs to transmit that constantly to him, not give up on him. |
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Post by Talos on Jan 11, 2014 11:14:37 GMT -5
It's striking how much more mobile and athletic he looks at 270lbs....it's really too bad... |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 11, 2014 13:39:57 GMT -5
All I want...and it may be too much to ask for...is less of a the Stanlingrad-Iron Curtain mentality of the program in regards to the information it reveals to the public. Obviously we aren't going to get full transparency and it goes without saying the players are entitled to some sort of privacy. But can we get a more definitive timetable for Smith's retrun? And if it looks as if it is not going to be this season then can Gtown just come out and say it?
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Post by hoyas1995 on Jan 11, 2014 13:44:42 GMT -5
Honestly my gut tells me we wont be seeing him again this season.
This isnt Syracuse with Southerland
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 11, 2014 14:30:59 GMT -5
Missing a final exam is one of the top nightmares that people have; I know for my wife and me that is true.
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Post by biggmanu on Jan 11, 2014 15:22:12 GMT -5
It's striking how much more mobile and athletic he looks at 270lbs....it's really too bad... So much support around him. Scout said he's a great student too. Just kills me. |
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Post by DoctorHoya on Jan 11, 2014 16:03:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know if GU has an appeals process for grades? I know other schools do. Not inconceivable that such a process could take time, during which a student's status would be in limbo. |
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 12, 2014 16:30:36 GMT -5
Honestly my gut tells me we wont be seeing him again this season. This isnt Syracuse with Southerland And honestly I'm starting to tire of it. If we aren't going all-in on winning, then why am I following this team? Maybe I read one-too-many absurd wool-over-the-eyes "Bobby Petrino is the devil I can't believe Louisville hired him" pieces this week, but this isn't beanbag. Would any of you honestly not have traded for a 2013 NCAA title if it meant a world in which JTIII was playing with Perkins' waitresses on restaurant floors? Give me the freakin' title! Chirping about academics and program cleanliness and everything else is what programs that don't win do. This isn't the Ivy League. Some of you wish it were--I don't. We don't follow this because we love the ideal of the student-athlete and the purity of amateurism--almost no one in the country (and certainly not the people who sponsor the games or pay for the TV rights) does. We follow it because we want to Editeding win, and we want to hear "Georgetown" on the mouths of everyone who follows college basketball. Otto Porter--who I love--wasn't in this for the student-athlete experience, and he didn't decide he owed it to the program to stick around and get a four-year degree. Why the hell we should care about getting the best student-athletes, as opposed to the best players? Give me your Victor Pages, your Allen Iversons, your one-and-dones. Please! Make exceptions for the athletes so that its easier for them to abide their basketball commitments--which by the way will require them to be in Providence, Indy, and Cincinnati in the span of a week--but hey, better get those studies done! |
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 12, 2014 17:04:25 GMT -5
Sorry, Big Dog. I don't believe in 'win at any cost.' I am in the 'win with class' camp. JTIII is among the classiest Division 1 coaches in the country, and I am pleased he is our coach.
I wouldn't trade a title for our integrity and I hope DeGoia wouldn't either.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 12, 2014 17:33:59 GMT -5
Sorry, Big Dog. I don't believe in 'win at any cost.' I am in the 'win with class' camp. JTIII is among the classiest Division 1 coaches in the country, and I am pleased he is our coach. I wouldn't trade a title for our integrity and I hope DeGoia wouldn't either. Like the integrity we showed with Iverson and Page, right? |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 12, 2014 17:55:39 GMT -5
Sorry, Big Dog. I don't believe in 'win at any cost.' I am in the 'win with class' camp. JTIII is among the classiest Division 1 coaches in the country, and I am pleased he is our coach. I wouldn't trade a title for our integrity and I hope DeGoia wouldn't either. Like the integrity we showed with Iverson and Page, right? As an alumni interviewer, I sent JTII a letter protesting AI's admission over one of the students I interviewed; she was only a tennis player and good student(and African American) and would have probably stayed all four years .  |
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 12, 2014 18:12:11 GMT -5
There is a difference IMHO between 'win at any cost' and Iverson and Page. JTjr had very clear social advocacy agenda that specifically sought to give the Georgetown academic opportunity to players who wouldn't otherwise qualify. Maybe you remember the deflated ball on the desk anecdote.
I think there were extenuating circumstances with Iverson that were well documented. Pops was clearly a potential change agent and role model for him . Not unreasonably, Iverson had some serious trust issues and chose to trust those from his youth after he left the Hilltop. While his game was ready for the NBA, I think Iverson would have greatly benefitted from more mentoring from JTjr his junior and senior year.
Page had an opportunity at Georgetown. It could have been a life changing difference maker for him. He didn't take full advantage of it and had to leave before he finished.
I don't know if you are an alum. I am. I had a classes with basketball players. I took Problem of God with Zo. He was in the front row of class every single class. I noticed a pattern too. If the basketball players weren't in class, they usually did stick too long in the program.
I don't have a problem with an approach that gives opportunities to players who would otherwise not get admitted, but I expect them to be student athletes and to uphold the standards of the community....which Iverson and Page both appeared to do.... while they are there.
Louisville is going to get what they deserve with Petrino. To say he has a pattern of 'extremely selfish' behavior is an understatement. I would bet a dollar vs. a hole in a donut we haven't seen the last instance of this trend.
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