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Post by dungeon ball on Feb 1, 2013 9:19:03 GMT -5
Was wondering what people thought. I'm not talking about who's had the most success, etc. More like, if you had to pick one player to start a team, who would it be? I guess the knee jerk reaction would be to pick Jeff. But after watching what Otto has been able to do this season, I think I'd have to go with him. Otto just seems to have a couple more things in his arsenal, and more ability to take over a game when need be.
To be fair, I guess you can pick a player from any year in his career i.e. Hibbert's senior year.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 1, 2013 9:45:11 GMT -5
My knee jerk reaction is Big Roy.
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Post by nychoya3 on Feb 1, 2013 9:47:58 GMT -5
Best in what sense? If we're talking the totality of their career, it has to be Jeff or Roy IMO because of the team success. I'd lean Jeff, but there's a case for Roy who a beast his last two seasons.
Otto is the best sophomore JT3 has had though. He has been phenomenal this year and if he keeps up his current production level he has a really good shot at BE POY.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Feb 1, 2013 9:52:37 GMT -5
Although Roy didnt have as much success offensively, he has my vote for this because he could alter games based on his size and rebounding skills. He developed a nice offensive game towards the end of his career to go along with that, making him a relatively complete player.
Otto is almost tied with Roy, but I'd like to see what he can do in the next couple of months and if he can be that true leader
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Post by Boz on Feb 1, 2013 9:55:09 GMT -5
John Caprio. Clearly. The guy can outrebound Charles Barkley and Dennis Rodman put together.
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No, I think the "build a team around" answer has to be Jeff, even though Otto might, in fact, be more talented.
Yes, there were a few notable disappearing acts in his career, but for the most part, Jeff was better at dominating and controlling a game, IMO. And he's a much better passer.
On the other hand, we are using unequal sample sizes. I'll be able to evaluate better next season, when Otto comes back for his junior year!!!
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 1, 2013 10:23:01 GMT -5
Best in what sense? If we're talking the totality of their career, it has to be Jeff or Roy IMO because of the team success. I'd lean Jeff, but there's a case for Roy who a beast his last two seasons. Otto is the best sophomore JT3 has had though. He has been phenomenal this year and if he keeps up his current production level he has a really good shot at BE POY. I think the OP clearly laid it out. If you had to start your team with a cornerstone player selecting someone from JTIII's tenure, who would it be? I still think its Jr. year Jeff. He was tailor-made for the offense.
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Post by joey0403p on Feb 1, 2013 10:23:05 GMT -5
Ugh...I really hope Otto comes back for his junior year. I don't think he needs too, I mean he could work on his handle and strength ... But he is draft ready and would contribute right away in the nba ...BUT I really hope he decides to come back.
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Post by nychoya3 on Feb 1, 2013 10:46:08 GMT -5
Okay, with Bill's clarification, in order:
1) Jeff Green (junior) 2) Roy Hibbert (senior) 3) Otto Porter (sophomore) 4) Greg Monroe (sophomore) 5) Roy Hibbert (junior)
Just on the outside looking in is Austin Freeman's crazy efficient junior year, Chris Wright's junior year, and Jeff's sophomore year.
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Post by b52legend on Feb 1, 2013 10:51:07 GMT -5
I think I would have to go with Junior year Jeff. He led the team to a Regular season BE title, BE tournament title and NCAA final four appearance. He could take a game over if need be (see Notre Dame), just for whatever reason he wasn't assertive enough against Ohio St.
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Post by gujake on Feb 1, 2013 11:19:46 GMT -5
Roy, Roy Roy Roy.
Defense is half the game, and Roy was one of the most valuable defenders in college basketball.
He was no slouch on offense, either. In fact, if you only looked at the stats, it would be easy to argue that Roy > Jeff in 2007 on offense. Roy had the 4th highest Ortg (130.8) in the country that year -- the highest Ortg of any Hoya under III. Jeff was at (114.4).
Personally, I think those stats are misleading for a number of reasons, but it's hard to ignore Roy's insane efficiency. I'd say Jeff and Roy were roughly equal in value on offense. When you factor in defense, though, I think it's a clear nod to Roy.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 1, 2013 11:22:11 GMT -5
All pretty darn good hoyas Dont want to have to choose ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D go hoyas one and all past present AND future. we are georgetown beat st johns.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 1, 2013 11:32:23 GMT -5
Statistically, Otto's numbers are starting to compare pretty nicely to Jeff Green's junior year. And he's playing with the type of control that Jeff played with towards the end of the year.
That said, Roy's senior year is probably the best single year. I've gone through it on the Reggie Cameron thread regarding defense, but Roy led our best ever III defense that year. The bench had plenty of plus defenders -- Ewing, Macklin, Rivers. But the starting lineup was Wallace, Sapp, Freeman and Summers.
Offensively, he had usage rates as high as anyone except Monroe, shot 60% from 2, 100% from 3, shot a bunch of FTs for a Hoya, rebounded pretty well, passed decently and didn't turn the ball over. But 60%!
Still, if I'm starting a team from scratch, I still might take Jeff. In college especially, it's easier to shut down a big guy, and Green had the most rounded set of skills -- he could play inside and out, guard everyone, protect the rim, etc.
Tough choice.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 1, 2013 11:39:17 GMT -5
;D
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Post by jgalt on Feb 1, 2013 11:57:14 GMT -5
Roy was better than any other center in the game during his junior and senior years. There were many fours that were as good or better than Jeff during his time. There are fewer top true centers any more and having one gives your team a huge advantage in a game that is relying more and more on 2s and 3s driving the lane.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 1, 2013 12:00:31 GMT -5
I'll take Greg Monroe, sophomore year. That team underachieved at the end but I did not attribute that to Monroe. I like Roy's senior year of course and Jeff as a junior, but I appreciate Monroe's completeness as a player and his ability to make everyone around him better. He was a rare 6'11" player that could average 4 assists a game while still averaging the traditional double double. I think you could surround Monroe with a bunch of role players and still be a BE champ. I mean he was a WVU circus shot away from a BE championship in MSG.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 1, 2013 13:04:19 GMT -5
Jeff.
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Post by McBricks on Feb 1, 2013 13:36:58 GMT -5
Jeff followed by Jon Wallace.
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Post by bigelephant on Feb 1, 2013 14:30:15 GMT -5
Give me a BIG man anyday.
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Post by GPHoya on Feb 1, 2013 15:24:25 GMT -5
Put me in the Otto camp as the one Hoya I would take to start a team.
I perceive that he has intangible leadership skills that infuse the character of the team. A kid like DSR had no aptitude for defense when the season started, but now gets it. I credit Otto (and of course DSR and the coaching staff, but on floor leaders are what changes behavior fastest). The hedge, rotate and recovery on the high post pick and roll is all about communication and focus and Otto has the whole team paying attention, talking and executing. If I were an NBA scout, this is the trait that would knock me out.
During one set of the of the Seton Hall game, we had switched into a couple of mismatches and Otto got everyone to adjust back on the fly in a way that has just never happened before he got there. The serious first half sag after he picked up his second foul demonstrated his utter indispensability to a team that has only one other true plus player (Markel) and a bunch of hard working role players.
Jeff and Roy were great players, but because they had each other (for three years) and Roy had plenty of support his senior year, they did not have the chance to illustrate what Otto has as a foundational player. That said, put in the same place I don't think they could do what Otto has done to elevate this group.
He is more ready for the NBA after his sophomore year than any other Hoya under JT III and he will have the most successful NBA career because he will make his teammates better. A winning team will reach out to bring him in if he is on a weaker franchise and he will make them better. He is a basketball genius so cherish the time we get him which I fear will be too short.
He has placed an otherwise mediocre team on his back and he is improving constantly like a four year senior. If I were the Celtics, I would trade Jeff Green and more in a nano-second for the rights to draft Otto and I would expect an upgrade in productivity immediately.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 1, 2013 16:04:43 GMT -5
Otto Porter is the type of player you could definitely envision being a coach someday.
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