RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 7, 2015 14:40:12 GMT -5
Good pickup I think. Really liked him and his athleticism coming out of high school. Not sure why it didn't quite pan out at UL, but think he's a solid frontcourt rotation guy at minimum. He'll get the same "PF and slightly undersized backup center" minutes that Dickerson would have gotten, and may play a little like Hopkins has. When the only other "bigs" on the team are a true freshman and Brad Hayes, I definitely welcome him. I still think he has a lot of upside too, and hopefully the staff can develop his skills starting immediately. Our previous front court transfers-in under JT3 have all become important contributors (Ewing Jr., Vaughn, Smith).
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Post by kghoya on Jan 7, 2015 14:44:25 GMT -5
Question: Does he have 2.5 years of eligibility remaining? yes 2.5 years left. He's played 1.5 so he has 2.5 left. i really dont think it works that way. marc eggerson transfered midseason from georgetown, so he played 1.5 with the hoyas he then played 1.5 seasons at delaware, meaning he played in parts of four seasons www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marc-egerson-1.htmlit's pretty rare to play in parts of 5 seasons as a transfer which is what makes joshau smith's problem from last season even more disappointing because he got a big break
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Jan 7, 2015 14:44:50 GMT -5
He might even be able to make a layup!
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 7, 2015 14:45:43 GMT -5
Great news! Now let's get him enrolled, and on the court.
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Post by CaliHoya on Jan 7, 2015 14:46:15 GMT -5
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Post by dungeon ball on Jan 7, 2015 14:48:28 GMT -5
Re: fit.... It's worth noting that Luke Fischer couldn't really break into a rotation at Indiana and ended up transferring. And he definitely looks like someone who could've contributed for them this season. So, yeah, sometimes it's not the right fit.
Also, he'll now be able to work with the team for a full year in practice before playing, so he'll be much more acclimated that someone just out of high school.
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Post by turbohoya on Jan 7, 2015 14:49:31 GMT -5
yes 2.5 years left. He's played 1.5 so he has 2.5 left. i really dont think it works that way. marc eggerson transfered midseason from georgetown, so he played 1.5 with the hoyas he then played 1.5 seasons at delaware, meaning he played in parts of four seasons www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marc-egerson-1.htmlit's pretty rare to play in parts of 5 seasons as a transfer which is what makes joshau smith's problem from last season even more disappointing because he got a big break that's not correct - Egerson played 2 full seasons and a small piece of his third season at Gtown... he was allowed 1.5 years of eligibility at Delaware.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 7, 2015 14:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Jan 7, 2015 14:55:27 GMT -5
i really dont think it works that way. marc eggerson transfered midseason from georgetown, so he played 1.5 with the hoyas he then played 1.5 seasons at delaware, meaning he played in parts of four seasons www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marc-egerson-1.htmlit's pretty rare to play in parts of 5 seasons as a transfer which is what makes joshau smith's problem from last season even more disappointing because he got a big break that's not correct - Egerson played 2 full seasons and a small piece of his third season at Gtown... he was allowed 1.5 years of eligibility at Delaware. I don't think this is right. Egerson was originally an 09 guy. Transferred part of the way through 06-07, his sophomore season, if I recall correctly. See: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/04/AR2007010401896.html
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 7, 2015 15:06:25 GMT -5
Not to mention that he wasn't so much as recruited over as he decided to go to a school that already had a stable of bugs in line to replace Dieng. I remember being surprised that he picked them because of the other imminent commits and other bugs already on the roster, but that's just how he top flight college programs do it. He would could easily get 4 buckets a game after all this time, don't really see why people are so quick to limit his potential. He has a late riser and committed to Louisville after a lot of tourney success and was probably misled a little in what they thought his role may be. He seems to have very big hands an an enormous 7'4" wingspan. Players with those type of measurables usually have higher ceilings than the average, and for him to be so high on the Hoyas it must mean that he values the potential development we could offer him. I see him more as a 4/3, but I admittedly haven't seen enough on him lately to confirm that. I don't know, he kind of looks like the garbage clean up guy in some highlights, but in others he's displaying top-notch, Montrezl Harrell type athleticism with a nose for the ball and a good enough motor and frame to go along with it. Those bugs unfortunately do not grow on trees, but he is by no means deal breaker for next season. L'ville had Behanan & Harrell at PF and RS freshman Mathiang at C on the roster when Agua was a freshman.. That's hardly a stable especially at center.. Remember too that Behanan was kicked off the team last year.. Not sure what "imminent" recruits you're referring to but Onuaku, Mahmoud & Stockman were all uncommitted at the time Agua signed with L'ville, in fact they were all signed later in the recruiting season.. To me you can't be revisionist about his time at L'ville, I like Yaboy's take that he didn't fit their system best of all.. I hope the kid commits to the staff and although I have my doubts about how much immediate impact he'll have I do think he can become a nice contributor long term.. This issue with Bigs should have been addressed a long time ago.. I meant more in terms of the amount of bodies they had to work with following their Final Four run, sure you can say they just had Behanan and Harrell but that's a better overall front yet than we've had since Greg and JuJu. People keep underestimating how good Louisville has been lately.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 7, 2015 15:10:16 GMT -5
He might even be able to make a layup! Hold on, let's not get too rash. . . .
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Post by kchoya on Jan 7, 2015 15:10:28 GMT -5
This post says he's applying for a redshirt and -- if granted -- would have three more years of eligibility. Nebraska Hoops
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 7, 2015 15:11:55 GMT -5
Nice pickup, particularly if he's going to play the 5 position, congrats to the staff. Love transfers that are in the program for a year to get acclimated...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 15:12:07 GMT -5
Re: fit.... It's worth noting that Luke Fischer couldn't really break into a rotation at Indiana and ended up transferring. And he definitely looks like someone who could've contributed for them this season. So, yeah, sometimes it's not the right fit. Also, he'll now be able to work with the team for a full year in practice before playing, so he'll be much more acclimated that someone just out of high school. JT3 is pretty friendly with Pitino-- you have to think the staff did their due diligence here.....
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 7, 2015 15:12:41 GMT -5
yes 2.5 years left. He's played 1.5 so he has 2.5 left. i really dont think it works that way. marc eggerson transfered midseason from georgetown, so he played 1.5 with the hoyas he then played 1.5 seasons at delaware, meaning he played in parts of four seasons www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marc-egerson-1.htmlit's pretty rare to play in parts of 5 seasons as a transfer which is what makes joshau smith's problem from last season even more disappointing because he got a big break Oh gosh not this discussion again...
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 7, 2015 15:14:02 GMT -5
This post says he's applying for a redshirt and -- if granted -- would have three more years of eligibility. Nebraska HoopsIf he pulls that off, would be an even bigger coup...seems like a stretch but stranger things have happened.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 7, 2015 15:14:49 GMT -5
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Post by turbohoya on Jan 7, 2015 15:16:23 GMT -5
I stand corrected on Egerson - that said the logic of it doesn't add up:
IF transferring player has to sit out 1 year
and IF it is RARE to play in parts of 5 seasons as you say
then why not play out the second half of your soph season? By your logic transferring half way through your soph season actually robs you of time as you don't get the second half back but rather you forfeit an entire season...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 7, 2015 15:17:22 GMT -5
The way I understand it (and we went over this in the past), you only have 4 years of academic eligibility you can "use" (which is not semester based). Under this rule, Agau would only have 2 years he could use, which means he would only have 1.5 semesters where he could play with us.
The way I understand it, if Smith did not get the NCAA exemption, he would have ONLY been eligible last year.
Nikita's transfer was similar to Agau's. He left first semester of his sophomore year, and then only played 1.5 years at Wake Forest.
I think the NCAA rules are dumb (in Smith's case, it would have been hugely unfair - the fact that he played 6 games as a junior would have meant he could only play one semester versus four if he had not played his junior year at all), and they can often lead to unfair results. That's why oftentimes guys like Smith get waivers.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 7, 2015 15:19:15 GMT -5
This post says he's applying for a redshirt and -- if granted -- would have three more years of eligibility. Nebraska HoopsIf he pulls that off, would be an even bigger coup...seems like a stretch but stranger things have happened. When can he start playing for us - or does that depend on whether he gets the redshirt?
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